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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 20:40:23 GMT
Hi Jamie, I listened to the Adam Buxton podcast with Thomas Dolby. You were right, it was really interesting, there is much more to Dolby than I knew. Now I might have to seek out the autobiography, or just some more of his albums.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 20:51:15 GMT
An interesting remark, however an ex driver (can't recall at this very moment who) mentioned a few weeks ago that "Diving Dan's" late lunges will come to an end when the other driver no longer gives him room, or closes him out. Quite frankly I am surprised that no one has already. The thing is, it seems that he chooses his moves so they don't leave the opportunity for the other driver to respond. So if another driver were to close him out in a move, they'd be causing an accident, that they'd be responsible for, and rightly penalised for. You remember all the furore (and rule change) when Verstappen was making those late defensive moves, by moving in the braking zone, in his first year in F1
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Post by Jamie on Apr 21, 2018 21:03:24 GMT
Hi Jamie, I listened to the Adam Buxton podcast with Thomas Dolby. You were right, it was really interesting, there is much more to Dolby than I knew. Now I might have to seek out the autobiography, or just some more of his albums. Ah, glad you enjoyed it 👍
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 14:01:14 GMT
From today's Gazzetta dello Sport:
For Ricciardo is a special moment. Now at 28, with seven seasons of F.1 already behind, the driver (son of a Sicilian father and Calabrian mother) is at a crossroads. He feels there is no more time to waste. That is why Daniel, which contract is expiring this year, has just put this condition to the team of Dietrich Mateschitz: "I will only stay if we are going to win". It depends on how much Red Bull will be competitive, if he will have a glimpse of possibility to win the title for the near future, staying with the engines Renault or moving to another supplier (for example the Honda equipping the little sister Toro Rosso). But at stake there it is also money and "status" within the team. Ricciardo has not digested the fact that last year Helmut Marko e Chris Horner have anticipated the renewal of Verstappen’s contract, to fend off interest from Mercedes and Ferrari, because the move made it clear that Max was considered the true predestined. "We want Verstappen become the youngest champion in history," said Marko, dismissing Ricciardo: «We would like to that he too remains and so we made him an offer. The decision is only his». Now, six months since that GP at Austin in which there was the signature of Verstappen, Red Bull has perhaps realized that they cannot “gift” Ricciardo like this to the competition. "Mercedes did not have Verstappen and they will not have Ricciardo either», said Marko recently. But in the meantime, Mister Overtaking has put his requests on the table: equal treatment compared to Verstappen and biennial contract of 50 million dollars in total (41 million euros). A figure close to that of Verstappen. Furthermore, Ricciardo has not remained still, carrying out negotiations in parallel with both Mercedes and Ferrari, to which he offered himself in the past, and which destination would remain his preferred. Already at the beginning of last season there had been contacts between Ricciardo and the red cars, according to some «rumours» (which now return), even a pre-contract, but in that period Ferrari did not know whether they would have renewed with Sebastian Vettel. Now, with the contract of the German prolonged up to 2020 for about 32 million a season, the situation is different and the political weight of Seb constitutes not a little an obstacle, considering the “rust” between the two at the time where they were together at Red Bull.
However, even more than the precedents with Vettel, the discriminant is the money. The request of Ricciardo, legitimate if he is considered an ace, is indeed much higher than what the Prancing Horse spends today for Kimi Raikkonen, whose contract since 2015 has been renewed on a rolling basis for a figure around to 7 million euros. However, Ricciardo remains the only “top driver” on the market, unless Ferrari is thinking to carry on with Kimi up to when he will be 40 years old (the protégé’ Charles Leclerc needs experience).
But Daniel has a concrete chance even with Mercedes. Lewis Hamilton’s contract in fact will be renewed until 2020 for 40 million euros a year, but the confirmation of Valtteri Bottas is not yet certain. And after all, Ricciardo would cost the equivalent of what was paid Nico Rosberg ...
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Post by René on Apr 24, 2018 15:01:54 GMT
Yes, it's absolutely an important decision for Daniel to make. And not an easy one also as you never know for sure who's going to be competitive the next few years.
I do think it would be good for him to change teams and environment and personally, I would prefer to see Danny at Ferrari than Max.
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Post by Carl on Apr 24, 2018 19:39:01 GMT
To leave behind the most miserable person in the paddock would be a wise move. Helmut Marko seems to enjoy his status, unchallenged since the ouster of Ecclestone, as a total jerk.
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Post by Jamie on Apr 24, 2018 20:17:09 GMT
I’d love to see Ricciardo at Ferrari but not as team mate to Seb with his current contract terms. Ricciardo is no subservient No2......if he went there as a completely bona fide equal then great but that doesn’t tend to happen at Ferrari. Obviously, he wouldn’t sign up to anything other than equal equipment so let’s see what happens.
Do you guys think Ferrari would run two equal No 1’s?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 21:33:49 GMT
If they take Ricciardo to replace Kimi as number two, then he should stay away, and it wouldn't make sense for Ferrari too.
They should take Ricciardo to challenge Vettel and I think Marchionne still doesn't fully trust the German, after last year's issues under pressure and at the topical moment. Obviously, if he wins the championship this year he would stregthen his position. But they must allow Ricciardo to blow Vettel away, otherwise for what purpose really (and because that is what we all want to see).
Until they both are in the championship, they must be allowed to race. We want to see the full picture of a driver, not just the skill, but the moral fortitude to sustain a civil war, like Prost, Senna or Reutemann did, even Lauda in 1977 against Carlos, for example, or Rosberg two years ago. I do hope Ricciardo can, and is allowed to, show his mettle.
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Post by chrisb on Apr 25, 2018 4:32:02 GMT
Daniel is one of my favourite drivers in F1, but cannot see him at Ferrari if Seb is there, unless and i can't get away from the thoughts that Lewis and Seb are thinking retirement - no idea why I think this but I cannot shake off that feeling,
I agree Lucio I don't think Seb is that trusted, i sense it is more to do with the 'toys out of prams' histrionics that Seb has a reputation of doing when things don't go well than most other reasons, Marchionne would not be impressed by that I sense. In one respect although Kimi is taking the fight to a point to Seb having someone who will fight Seb would make everything a lot more interesting but I can't see Ferrari wanting that
Sorry Jamie - just can't see Ferrari running two number 1's, I can see Mercedes doing that as I can't see Valteri there next year or even Lewis packing up,
Carl, isn't he just, in David Tremayne's book on Jochen - Helmut comes across as quite different to this glum dictator, who will probably be the next FIA boos, i jest of course, i hope....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 7:03:40 GMT
Daniel is one of my favourite drivers in F1, but cannot see him at Ferrari if Seb is there, unless and i can't get away from the thoughts that Lewis and Seb are thinking retirement - no idea why I think this but I cannot shake off that feeling, I agree Lucio I don't think Seb is that trusted, i sense it is more to do with the 'toys out of prams' histrionics that Seb has a reputation of doing when things don't go well than most other reasons, Marchionne would not be impressed by that I sense. In one respect although Kimi is taking the fight to a point to Seb having someone who will fight Seb would make everything a lot more interesting but I can't see Ferrari wanting that Sorry Jamie - just can't see Ferrari running two number 1's, I can see Mercedes doing that as I can't see Valteri there next year or even Lewis packing up, Carl, isn't he just, in David Tremayne's book on Jochen - Helmut comes across as quite different to this glum dictator, who will probably be the next FIA boos, i jest of course, i hope.... The point would be to have a driver that challenges the status to a point where Kimi is clearly not capable to.
It's a competition, let them race and who comes on top is "number one". It was ever thus - Lauda and Clay, Scheckter and Villeneuve, Prost and Mansell. It is only with Schumacher, then Alonso and now Vettel that they have had the designated hitter.
With a Vettel who is clearly not at Hamilton's level in outright speed and cool head, if they want to keep the policy of pre-designated number one, then there is only Lewis who fills that profile. He is the one they should get. Until - and if - Verstappen comes good.
It seems to me that Vettel wins championships only when everything is aligned for him, like probably this year - Mercedes not dominant, teammate not assertive. He needs someone no-nonsense who doesn't give an inch to anybody - much like Keke was - like Ricciardo to either keep him honest or be blown away.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 18:16:18 GMT
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Post by René on Apr 25, 2018 20:31:59 GMT
It's a competition, let them race and who comes on top is "number one". It was ever thus - Lauda and Clay, Scheckter and Villeneuve, Prost and Mansell. It is only with Schumacher, then Alonso and now Vettel that they have had the designated hitter. Indeed Lucio. This designated no.1 status at Ferrari was introduced by Schumacher & Co. The old man was notorious for setting his drivers up against eachother. Not a very subtle method and probably not very productive but no driver was no.1 before hand. But since 1996 (Schumacher/Irvine) there was no doubt who was no.1 at the Scuderia. Maybe with a short pause with Kimi and Felipe but reintroduced when Fernando arrived.
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