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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 16:38:38 GMT
Two races out of three so far decided by the safety car. Someone should tell Liberty that the show is already on, they don’t need to detail further their plans.
Seriously, this is not racing. They should freeze standings at each SC, allow bunching, but not “gazumping”, it’s not fair. It should be racing and winning on merit for driver and car on track, not a roulette. Let’s watch the lottery, instead, it’s the same thing.
As far as Verstappen, he shouldn’t “analyse everything” – with his father?? – also because he doesn't seem overly equipped upstairs, because if he were he should instead just watch Ricciardo close by who knows how to overtake without crashing into people.
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Post by Carl on Apr 15, 2018 16:57:18 GMT
I have now watched the highlights curtesy of the adverts that dominate the programme on C4, bless, but I also listened to the race on Aunty on the radio this morning, all you heard of the race was Hamilton, Max, tyres and pit-stops. In the race the Grand Prix grid and any would be racing drivers were given a fantastic lesson by one team in how to overtake in one car, and how not to in another, Daniel was great, he drove with such skill I can just see him in a Merc - not a Ferrari next year, and Max, less so, ah the impetuousness of youth So the 3rd GP is done a great result for a real racer with I think etiquette and skill, it seems funny how he seems to be almost sidelined at RB and if he does go then does Ghastly or Brendan get the drive? What are the odds on Hamilton retiring at the end of the year? or going to Williams, if there is a Williams, that is tragic and really does take one back to pre 78- Is it better not to be there than suffer the insult of pay as you drive 'people' It is still so sad to see these lumbering beasts hurtle around circuits and whilst I marvel at Daniel, I despair when i look at them, maybe i am just better off listening to the radio Chris, Wonderful comments and display of majestic wisdom by a newly crowned King. Congratulations! Cheers, Carl
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 19:38:02 GMT
Hilarious. At 0.24: DR: "Do you speak Italian?". MV: "No". DR: "Affanc...!"
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Post by Carl on Apr 15, 2018 20:10:24 GMT
Hilarious. At 0.24: DR: "Do you speak Italian?". MV: "No". DR: "Affanc...!" Hilarious! My turn to laugh out loud! At least young Max left smiling...
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Post by chrisb on Apr 16, 2018 4:41:49 GMT
my thanks fellow King,
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Post by robmarsh on Apr 16, 2018 6:23:20 GMT
I enjoyed the race very much but am still bemused how Ferrari managed to turn a dominant 1 2 on the grid to a 3 8 in the race. Their continual focus on ensuring SV is in the best position at the expense of KR is going to lose them the constructors championship at least. If they focused more on KR than they do, they might have seen fit to pit him straight after the Red Bulls made their stops under the safety car and at least put him on the same strategy as them and he wouldn't have been worse than 6th anyway. Surely after free practice they would have known the difference between the yellow and white tyre. Instead they were quite prepared to sacrifice Kimi's whole race. Why a team would do that to the second fastest car in the race I have no idea.
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Post by René on Apr 16, 2018 7:34:24 GMT
I enjoyed the race very much but am still bemused how Ferrari managed to turn a dominant 1 2 on the grid to a 3 8 in the race. Their continual focus on ensuring SV is in the best position at the expense of KR is going to lose them the constructors championship at least. If they focused more on KR than they do, they might have seen fit to pit him straight after the Red Bulls made their stops under the safety car and at least put him on the same strategy as them and he wouldn't have been worse than 6th anyway. Surely after free practice they would have known the difference between the yellow and white tyre. Instead they were quite prepared to sacrifice Kimi's whole race. Why a team would do that to the second fastest car in the race I have no idea. Rob, good to read we have another Racer at the Round Table who actually enjoyed the race! Couldn't agree more about Ferrari, their strategy and way of thinking seems weird. They gave the initiative to Mercedes by letting Valtteri pit first. When you start first and second and finish third and eight, something has gone wrong. Too careful probably and as you say, too much focus on Seb. Can't be good for team atmosphere and Kimi's morale.
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Post by René on Apr 16, 2018 7:47:54 GMT
In big contrast to Max! My young countryman is going through a bit of a difficult phase at the moment. To his credit, he did admit he made a big mistake hitting Vettel. To my knowledge the first time he admitted a mistake. Threw away a possible win or at least a podium. I still think Max is more clever than his father but this was not good. From the BBC website, asked if he needed to calm down, he said: So just unfortunate he's hit a car every race this season so far. He's a chip off the old block alright. I think you are too harsh on Max to be honest. Sure, he is making too many mistakes at the moment. And if he ever wants to be a serious title candidate, he needs to iron these faults out and, as Jan Lammers said in his analysis, learn to be more patient. But three bad races with mistakes don't erase the facts that this young lad, he's only 20, has already three victories to his name and had the better of Ricciardo in his second season as team mates. And I am not even talking about the many amazing overtaking manouvres he made that did work out, at Toro Rosso and RB or his masterly display in the rain in Brazil. It is easy to forget that the man in the banner above, my childhood hero, also made quite a few mistakes in his early career in F1 and also has hit other drivers. Some of his colleagues called him wild and even mad. But the talent and the speed was there. I am not a Max fanboy as Ray T used to call some of the fans. I wasn't a fan of his father and Max still has to prove he is champion material but he is extremely talented and in my eyes not correct to write him off.
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Post by mikael on Apr 16, 2018 7:57:08 GMT
It's not funny - and inappropriate - to keep on bashing McLaren; but I was much bemused by the following formulation: "There is nothing serious or horrible in terms of the design," team boss Eric Boullier is quoted by Marca. "But we have to be faster in the corners and on the straights." So, very nice that the problem has been accurately pinpointed to just those two areas, in the corners and on the straights ... Source: www.grandprix.com/news/mclaren-may-have-got-2018-goals-wrong-says-boullier.html
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 7:58:33 GMT
Wow! What a race!!!! So much action and drama, and so pleased to see Ricciardo take the win, with some beautiful overtakes. Gasley joins the as×h×le club, for causing the safety car that allowed the founder member of the club to reinforce his presidency of the club. Mind you I thought Hamiltons move(s) on Verstappen through turns 4 and 5 were a bit rugged. But lots and lots of other things made it a great race. That's two in a row - this could be "the best season......ever". What do you put in your tea? Irn Bru! ;-)
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Post by René on Apr 16, 2018 8:59:35 GMT
It's not funny - and inappropriate - to keep on bashing McLaren; but I was much bemused by the following formulation: "There is nothing serious or horrible in terms of the design," team boss Eric Boullier is quoted by Marca. "But we have to be faster in the corners and on the straights." So, very nice that the problem has been accurately pinpointed to just those two areas, in the corners and on the straights ... Source: www.grandprix.com/news/mclaren-may-have-got-2018-goals-wrong-says-boullier.htmlIf it's only the corners and the straights then there's still enough to be positive about, not? It is funny Mikael.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 9:09:00 GMT
From the BBC website, asked if he needed to calm down, he said: So just unfortunate he's hit a car every race this season so far. He's a chip off the old block alright. I think you are too harsh on Max to be honest. Sure, he is making too many mistakes at the moment. And if he ever wants to be a serious title candidate, he needs to iron these faults out and, as Jan Lammers said in his analysis, learn to be more patient. But three bad races with mistakes don't erase the facts that this young lad, he's only 20, has already three victories to his name and had the better of Ricciardo in his second season as team mates. And I am not even talking about the many amazing overtaking manouvres he made that did work out, at Toro Rosso and RB or his masterly display in the rain in Brazil. It is easy to forget that the man in the banner above, my childhood hero, also made quite a few mistakes in his early career in F1 and also has hit other drivers. Some of his colleagues called him wild and even mad. But the talent and the speed was there. I am not a Max fanboy as Ray T used to call some of the fans. I wasn't a fan of his father and Max still has to prove he is champion material but he is extremely talented and in my eyes not correct to write him off. Agree to disagree.
He will eventually iron out all this nonsense and will start to win big. The parallel with Schumacher initial career is uncanny. With his attitude, I suspect he will sit right beside Schumacher eventually, if not for the results.
I can't see where or when he got the better of Ricciardo, he might be marginally quicker, but who was the better driver - Senna or Prost? Sorry. There are different ways to skin a cat and it seems Ricciardo's today is way more effective.
Rene', I don't even want to start on the parallel with Gilles. Seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 9:29:41 GMT
Ricciardo: “I could see it coming from a few corners before. I saw Max was close to Lewis. I wasn’t close enough to be involved so I was just watching. I positioned myself to be prepared if there was contact. I could see them both drift wide and I could see that one car probably wasn’t going to make it, so the difficult thing was then when Max went off track I wasn’t sure if he was going to slide back across, but I held the line. In the heat of battle it’s quite hard to pick the right moves because things happen so fast.”
“This sport is just crazy,” said Ricciardo. “In Bahrain I was so frustrated by it. All the variables that are out of your control. Sometimes I question why I chose this sport. It gets you down a lot – but when you have a day like this it’s worth 50 of those bad ones.”
What the hell are they waiting to get this guy.
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Post by René on Apr 16, 2018 11:19:48 GMT
I think you are too harsh on Max to be honest. Sure, he is making too many mistakes at the moment. And if he ever wants to be a serious title candidate, he needs to iron these faults out and, as Jan Lammers said in his analysis, learn to be more patient. But three bad races with mistakes don't erase the facts that this young lad, he's only 20, has already three victories to his name and had the better of Ricciardo in his second season as team mates. And I am not even talking about the many amazing overtaking manouvres he made that did work out, at Toro Rosso and RB or his masterly display in the rain in Brazil. It is easy to forget that the man in the banner above, my childhood hero, also made quite a few mistakes in his early career in F1 and also has hit other drivers. Some of his colleagues called him wild and even mad. But the talent and the speed was there. I am not a Max fanboy as Ray T used to call some of the fans. I wasn't a fan of his father and Max still has to prove he is champion material but he is extremely talented and in my eyes not correct to write him off. Agree to disagree.
He will eventually iron out all this nonsense and will start to win big. The parallel with Schumacher initial career is uncanny. With his attitude, I suspect he will sit right beside Schumacher eventually, if not for the results.
I can't see where or when he got the better of Ricciardo, he might be marginally quicker, but who was the better driver - Senna or Prost? Sorry. There are different ways to skin a cat and it seems Ricciardo's today is way more effective.
Rene', I don't even want to start on the parallel with Gilles. Seriously.
Lucio, I am not comparing Max to Gilles. They couldn't be further apart personality and mentality wise! I agree Max likens more to Schumacher. Only trying to make the point that no one is without mistakes. Gilles was phenomenal but no holy man and I am not afraid to point out he had his weaknesses also. He was not perfect. There were certainly times when he should have been more patient or take less risk. As mentioned before, I am not a Max Verstappen fan. I never liked his father and only hope Max doesn't grow up to be an as***le like his dad. And I am not sure to be honest if that is not already the case. But the jury is still out for me, maybe also because of his obvious talent. He was always special, in karting, in junior formulae and right from the beginning in F1. This season will be important for him to show he will learn from this and become more mature as a driver and as a man.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 11:47:53 GMT
Cool. Gilles made his own mistakes and did run over other drivers - Peterson, Regazzoni - but he was a correct driver, he wasn't malicious as Verstappen and Schumacher have shown to be (the latter to the point of being malignant, hopefully Max will refrain to escalate to the German's level). If Gilles was malicious as those, he would likely still be with us, multi-champion, but with much less aura. I can never ever see Verstappen not racing Scheckter out of a gentleman's agreement (Jody put himself in that position, meaning he fully deserved his title - just not to trespass into revisionism with this paragon).
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