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Post by René on Sept 5, 2019 15:39:59 GMT
This is the one that Ferrari MUST win, even more so than Spa. Victory at Monza will relieve the pain of another lost championship (a little bit). The old track with its long straights should suite the SF90 perfectly. Max will start from the back having a new engine fitted to his Bull so he will have his work cut out. For Alex Albon a chance to shine but they will probably also expect him to finish best of the rest but that’s the pressure that comes with driving for a top team. I hope Lando has a good result in Monza, that would be fully deserved after the bad luck of Spa. Monza is all about passion so let’s hope for a good race and a satisfying result!  F O R Z A F E R R A R I
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 23:33:06 GMT
I really really hope Seb can get his mojo back.
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Post by Carl on Sept 6, 2019 5:14:42 GMT
I really really hope Seb can get his mojo back. I doubt he can regain the earlier swagger nourished by the pampering of his two greatest admirers, Bernie Ecclestone and Helmut Marko. There's no equivalent at Ferrari of Marko's benevolence or of the gifts exchanged with Bernie on the grid. His confidence has also been affected by failing to mold Ferrari to his needs the way it had been for Michael Schumacher, whose greatness was supported by the formidable foundation of Ross Brawn, Rory Byrne and Jean Todt. Vettel was foolhardy if he thought he could replicate that. |
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Post by René on Sept 6, 2019 14:23:58 GMT
I really really hope Seb can get his mojo back. Yeah me too. Maybe no Ferrari title for Seb but a win in a Ferrari at Monza comes close! |
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Post by René on Sept 6, 2019 14:30:59 GMT
I really really hope Seb can get his mojo back. I doubt he can regain the earlier swagger nourished by the pampering of his two greatest admirers, Bernie Ecclestone and Helmut Marko. There's no equivalent at Ferrari of Marko's benevolence or of the gifts exchanged with Bernie on the grid. His confidence has also been affected by failing to mold Ferrari to his needs the way it had been for Michael Schumacher, whose greatness was supported by the formidable foundation of Ross Brawn, Rory Byrne and Jean Todt. Vettel was foolhardy if he thought he could replicate that. Sharp comment ( ) and yes, Seb has always been close to Bernie and Helmut which could say a lot about him. But I still find him one of the nicest and eloquent persons in the paddock. And hey, Niki, who we all admired so much was also close to Bernie and Helmut. I agree though that Sebastian did not manage to mold Ferrari around him like Michael did. But in all fairness, that was virtually impossible with all the management changes of the past few years. Stability was key to the Schumacher success at Ferrari.
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Post by René on Sept 6, 2019 14:49:34 GMT
Leclerc fastest in FP1 and FP2. Good start! Forza Ferrari.  |
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Post by Carl on Sept 6, 2019 16:30:33 GMT
I doubt he can regain the earlier swagger nourished by the pampering of his two greatest admirers, Bernie Ecclestone and Helmut Marko. There's no equivalent at Ferrari of Marko's benevolence or of the gifts exchanged with Bernie on the grid. His confidence has also been affected by failing to mold Ferrari to his needs the way it had been for Michael Schumacher, whose greatness was supported by the formidable foundation of Ross Brawn, Rory Byrne and Jean Todt. Vettel was foolhardy if he thought he could replicate that. Sharp comment ( ) and yes, Seb has always been close to Bernie and Helmut which could say a lot about him. But I still find him one of the nicest and eloquent persons in the paddock. And hey, Niki, who we all admired so much was also close to Bernie and Helmut. I agree though that Sebastian did not manage to mold Ferrari around him like Michael did. But in all fairness, that was virtually impossible with all the management changes of the past few years. Stability was key to the Schumacher success at Ferrari.
btw, you are only 6 posts behind me! Rene, True enough, but my point is that self-regard enabled a foolish decision to try. If my assessment of Vettel's character is harsh, so too is my appraisal of anyone entranced by their own celebrity.
Real heroes are few and far between, although that could change if I surpass your total of posts.
Cheers, Carl
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Post by Carl on Sept 6, 2019 16:43:33 GMT
I really really hope Seb can get his mojo back. Yeah me too. Maybe no Ferrari title for Seb but a win in a Ferrari at Monza comes close! The entire Autodromo Nazionale will overflow with celebration. A Ferrari 1-2 could shift the GPS coordinates of Italy. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 17:09:18 GMT
Sharp comment ( ) and yes, Seb has always been close to Bernie and Helmut which could say a lot about him. But I still find him one of the nicest and eloquent persons in the paddock. And hey, Niki, who we all admired so much was also close to Bernie and Helmut. I agree though that Sebastian did not manage to mold Ferrari around him like Michael did. But in all fairness, that was virtually impossible with all the management changes of the past few years. Stability was key to the Schumacher success at Ferrari.
btw, you are only 6 posts behind me! Rene, True enough, but my point is that self-regard enabled a foolish decision to try. If my assessment of Vettel's character is harsh, so too is my appraisal of anyone entranced by their own celebrity.
Real heroes are few and far between, although that could change if I surpass your total of posts.
Cheers, Carl
Could this not conceivably be kind of a large assumption to make of his beliefs of what could be achieved though?
Is it not possible that it was simply a better option than remaining at Red Bull with underpowered engines and that media people merely made a comparison with Schumacher that was not really apropos?
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Post by robmarsh on Sept 6, 2019 18:24:46 GMT
Joe I think your version may be the more accurate. Seb is a very intelligent guy and I don't believe he went there with that in mind. Sure he would have liked to emulate Schumacher and maybe he saw how fickle Marko could be. It is just about every drivers dream to drive an F1 car for Ferrari, nothing wrong with that.
The Schumacher success owes a lot to Brawn and Bryne. That team of three won seven drivers championships and I think seven constructors as well. No other combination has done that. Brawn also won a championship with a private team and without a really top level driver like Schumacher, Hamiliton or Alonso. Had Schumacher had the benefit of driving for Ferrari under Arrivebene I don't think he would have achieved much more than Seb did.
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Post by René on Sept 6, 2019 20:22:49 GMT
I don't believe either it was Seb's plan to exactly emulate Schumacher, as Rob said he's too intelligent for that. Schumacher was however Sebastian's childhood hero and his Ferrari passion is genuine, he has always been outspoken about that. So it's a bit of everything; the Red Bull magic was over and the opportunity was there to realize his dream. Even if he doesn't win a title with Ferrari, he still won lot of races for the Scuderia. More than many other famous Ferrari drivers.
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Post by René on Sept 6, 2019 20:47:48 GMT
Yeah me too. Maybe no Ferrari title for Seb but a win in a Ferrari at Monza comes close! The entire Autodromo Nazionale will overflow with celebration. A Ferrari 1-2 could shift the GPS coordinates of Italy. Has happened before Carl. Small earthquakes were registered after both the 1979 and 1988 double victories! |
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Post by Carl on Sept 6, 2019 21:27:16 GMT
Although Sebastian Vettel indisputably wanted to emulate his hero at Ferrari, it's possible his efforts to effect change were motivated by the dysfunction he found there. So I stand corrected in that it's certainly conceivable this was not his original intention, but instead a rational response to disarray. mea culpa  When I was younger there were heroes, but I now hold firm that none exist among the preternaturally gifted and lavishly paid athletes in any sport. Ted Williams was the greatest hitter in baseball because his eyesight allowed him to see the stitches on the ball as it approached at 100 mph. The heroes are those who struggle to reach the top and never get there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 22:14:43 GMT
Hi Carl I was going to say i was worried we'd just be disagreeing today  but upon re-reading i think we are probably thinking along the same (or similar) lines. I don't see 'heroes' now either though whether that is a function of age and a more jaded view of things... or changing times and particularly the commercialisation and cynicising of sport, i can't say. Nevertheless there are some from the past who can still be 'sporting heroes' in my mind, as well as some who didn't make it big but who make a lasting impression.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 0:00:07 GMT
This is the one that Ferrari MUST win, even more so than Spa. Victory at Monza will relieve the pain of another lost championship (a little bit). The old track with its long straights should suite the SF90 perfectly. Max will start from the back having a new engine fitted to his Bull so he will have his work cut out. For Alex Albon a chance to shine but they will probably also expect him to finish best of the rest but that’s the pressure that comes with driving for a top team. I hope Lando has a good result in Monza, that would be fully deserved after the bad luck of Spa. Monza is all about passion so let’s hope for a good race and a satisfying result! F O R Z A F E R R A R I
Great video clip, the graphics are very good, it took a little while for me to realise it was only a graphic. 40 year old F1 cars still look very nice. |
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but upon re-reading i think we are probably thinking along the same (or similar) lines.