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Post by mikael on Nov 15, 2018 14:37:52 GMT
For all those who view UK TV and are lamenting the imminent end to live Free To View Formula One transmissions, fear not for the great BBC have come to your rescue. This morning it has been announced that the BBC will broadcast live coverage of all Formula E races in both the Red Button and their Internet platforms. Currently it is not known if they will just use the Formula E feed, or have a team dedicated to the sport. I would not hold my breath on that one as this company are known for their penny pinching when it comes to any form of motor sport. Anyhow I can hardly wait, as my anticipation is almost full to overflowing, the future is upon us gentlemen.
It might perhaps whet the appetite of the general viewer to learn about "what is the next step in motor racing?" which, in terms of speed, might be Formula Ford -- and then lead to an interest ... step by step, all the way to F1
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Post by charleselan on Nov 15, 2018 17:11:48 GMT
For all those who view UK TV and are lamenting the imminent end to live Free To View Formula One transmissions, fear not for the great BBC have come to your rescue. This morning it has been announced that the BBC will broadcast live coverage of all Formula E races in both the Red Button and their Internet platforms. Currently it is not known if they will just use the Formula E feed, or have a team dedicated to the sport. I would not hold my breath on that one as this company are known for their penny pinching when it comes to any form of motor sport. Anyhow I can hardly wait, as my anticipation is almost full to overflowing, the future is upon us gentlemen.
It might perhaps whet the appetite of the general viewer to learn about "what is the next step in motor racing?" which, in terms of speed, might be Formula Ford -- and then lead to an interest ... step by step, all the way to F1
In all seriousness Mikael, there can be little doubt that it is the future, as much as many of us hate the thought. It is becoming greatly supported by many of the big motor manufacturers, and this is where their money is going. For myself, and no doubt many older enthusiasts, the thought of any racing vehicle without the accompanying sound of a highly tuned internal combustion engine is not what we wish to be around. The one question, well the most pertinent at this time, I have regarding electric cars is this. How long will those rechargeable batteries last for surely they will be "lifed" just as those that power all other items that have rechargeable battery power. How much will a replacement cost? Or will the vehicle have to be scrapped? What of the dead battery cell, will it be recyclable, or will there be environmental issues with its disposal? Just musing .
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Post by charleselan on Nov 15, 2018 17:20:35 GMT
I do still read some of the features on MS, as some really are worth reading, but forget the comments they are to be ignored if one wishes to retain some form of sanity. The one new feature that caught my eye was written by driving coach Scott Mansell about Charles Leclerc, and is rather good and very insightful into the young mans driving style/technique. It would appear that he has a very different style to Sebastian and that maybe my prediction of Charles becoming next years World champion are not too far fetched. Mansell actually says that he would not be surprised if Leclerc finishes ahead of Vettel by the time they get to Abu Dhabi in 2019 . I am not alone gentlemen.
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Post by charleselan on Nov 15, 2018 17:27:26 GMT
Could be a career destroying move but he didn't have many other options anyway. And this one was probably facilitated by Fernando. Olé. Agreed. Also facilitated by a sharp kicking from Hulk. Sainz is 12-6 down to Nico this year in qual. www.racefans.net/2018-f1-season/2018-f1-statistics/2018-f1-qualifying-data/He needed to run him closer. Next year should see some very slim margins between Hulkenberg and Ricciardo. A great pairing. In mitigation Bill, I do remember that Carlos Jnr often did not have the latest updates that Nico had which must have been a bit of a handicap at times. I hope he can wring something out of Chubby Brown's orange barge next year, but I am not holding my breath on the ability of the car from Woking. Great avatar by the way, always liked Johnny as a driver, not so much as a S*YF1 pundit .
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Post by chrisb on Nov 15, 2018 22:16:50 GMT
John, I totally agree mon ami, it wasn't as if the existing transmission of FE was bad, it was ok, best part being the dulcet tones of Dario, but it aggrieves me that I am paying for this through the auspices of a TV licence, something I need by law, and that entitles me to? well about 5 or 6 BBC programmes a week, apart from the cricket I no longer listen to the radio, as the BBC seems to want to ignore all Terry's old fans - probably presuming we too have demised, no not yet, just mentally demented listening to the Beeb's bias. Will I watch it? maybe, it can be quite exciting and the overtaking is scary, my problem with it - as everyone else's, the sound, but also I don't get that appreciation of speed and that was something you could really capture in Indycars on TV, but again that was lost to terrestrial many years ago but at least we have some racing on the Beeb,
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Post by chrisb on Nov 15, 2018 22:23:58 GMT
I too have read the article on Charles, am I to take it this is Nigel's son? I found the article a very effective description why he thinks LeClerc will do well, and why he rates him, I thought it was really useful and hope it is the first of many an article for Scott and has given me a different perspective and I will be very interested to see how he does go up against Seb.
On utub there is an interview with Max on Dutch TV explaining his perspective, unfortunately, my Dutch is as good as my Spanish, so cannot grasp what Max is saying. What both the BBC and Autosport are saying seems at odds with others opinions insofar that they are condemning Ocon. I must admit the more I see the less I understand, but then, that sums up an awful lot of areas and have no conclusion other than to ask the question would Lewis or Seb had that accident? I don't know is my answer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 8:07:51 GMT
Hi fellow Racers, I think that there is still much more to be sucked from the marrow of that Brazilian GP. What happened to Ferrari? Their intent to take the battle to Mercedes evaporated. I was excited to see them pull off the clever strategic move of getting through Q2 on the Soft tyres (even if I was very disappointed in Vettel losing his temper in the 'weigh bridge incident'). In the race, the Softs didn't deliver the long run pace required for them to provide an advantage, so both Ferrari's were struggling off the line and for most of the first 5 laps. The we find out that Vettel's car is hampered by a sensor issue, and although Raikonnen had a decent race and get himself well in front of Bottas, he wasn't able to use the soft tyre strategy to pressure Hamilton. Are Ferrari ever going to be able to get all their ducks lined up to be able to challenge Mercedes over a whole season? I thought there was lots more of interest going on in the race, such as what was the damage that Erikson experienced on the warm up lap that destroyed his race? Given he'd qualified ahead of Le Clerc, if his car hadn't failed that could have been a 7th & 8th for Sauber - fantastic considering where they were just a year ago. Riccardo, had a fantastic (error free) race, from 11th up to 5th, and challenging Bottas' Mercedes strongly for 4th. Together with Ver-crash-en's mighty (errored) race, it impressed me that the underpowered RBR Renault was able to show more race pace than either the Ferrari's or Mercedes - should all races be at 800m or above? What does anyone think is the reason for the growing hype about RBR getting the Honda p.u's next year? In the Toro Rosso cars it seems that development has stalled. While the p.u's aren't failing in races, they have used a huge number of elements this season, and are still only at the back of the midfield. I'm skeptical that we are going to find when the Honda p.u is in the back of a Red Bull next year, that it is suddenly on par with Merc and Ferrari. What does the round table think? ?
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Post by mikael on Nov 16, 2018 8:11:46 GMT
It might perhaps whet the appetite of the general viewer to learn about "what is the next step in motor racing?" which, in terms of speed, might be Formula Ford -- and then lead to an interest ... step by step, all the way to F1
In all seriousness Mikael, there can be little doubt that it is the future, as much as many of us hate the thought. It is becoming greatly supported by many of the big motor manufacturers, and this is where their money is going. For myself, and no doubt many older enthusiasts, the thought of any racing vehicle without the accompanying sound of a highly tuned internal combustion engine is not what we wish to be around. The one question, well the most pertinent at this time, I have regarding electric cars is this. How long will those rechargeable batteries last for surely they will be "lifed" just as those that power all other items that have rechargeable battery power. How much will a replacement cost? Or will the vehicle have to be scrapped? What of the dead battery cell, will it be recyclable, or will there be environmental issues with its disposal? Just musing . JC, yes, it seems that “the World” has been convinced that combustion engine-driven cars are “evil monsters” that need to be extinguished as soon as possible – and that electric cars are the future. But it seems premature to take the drastic step to prohibit the sale of combustion engine-driven cars in the very near future, as some European countries plan to do, since the energy density of batteries is still so low (compared to liquid fuels like gasoline) – and the needed break-through may not be just around the corner. And yes, worn-down batteries could be a real environment hazard – handling- and recycling-systems have to be planned carefully. As to Formula E, I must admit I find it completely uninteresting – at present, at least. Electric racing cars could become interesting if they, say, become much faster than even (combustion-engined) Formula 1 – if they went off like “rocket ships”, making combustion-engined cars look, in comparison, as if they were standing still. But there's a long way to go … The electric motor can be made close to 100% efficient – that is of course a big plus. So what needs to be improved is the battery only. Formula E will surely contribute to the development in battery-technology. As important as it may be, it's not something that can “fascinate” me, I must admit. On the other hand, I think there has always been something “magical” about (combustion) racing engines at the “frontier of development”. The theoretical maximum efficiency of a combustion engine depends on only two things: (1) the compression ratio and (2) the (specific) heat capacity of the air-fuel mixture. A racing engine with a compression ratio of 17:1 (like the last generation V8 F1 engines), will have a maximum theoretical efficiency of about 68%. But to try to increase that (like with current use of diesel-technology) – that I find truly fascinating! Hence I have actually come to like the present hybrid-turbo engines. Even their sound – with all their “squeaks” and “brrrrr” when they go into battery-charge mode. It's fascinating! We must enjoy it – as long as it lasts.
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Post by chrisb on Nov 16, 2018 8:56:06 GMT
Jim, a very interesting collection of thoughts, do I think the Honda engine will succeed? I am not sure - history teaches some of us many things, the V12 1.5 ltr transverse engine was magical in its concept and was just getting there in 1965 when the formula changed, the 3ltr V12 was not a success and the water cooled V8 interesting but tragic.
Then we had great successes in the 80's and 90's and then another hiatus, but according to MotorSport Honda are investing greatly in this unit and given the brilliance of some of their staff I would suggest that this partnership may bear fruit. So in a long-winded response, yes I do think RB will take it to Mercedes and Ferrari and expect Max to be fighting for the WDC next year, it would be brilliant if Renault were there as well
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Post by charleselan on Nov 16, 2018 12:13:09 GMT
I too have read the article on Charles, am I to take it this is Nigel's son? I found the article a very effective description why he thinks LeClerc will do well, and why he rates him, I thought it was really useful and hope it is the first of many an article for Scott and has given me a different perspective and I will be very interested to see how he does go up against Seb. On utub there is an interview with Max on Dutch TV explaining his perspective, unfortunately, my Dutch is as good as my Spanish, so cannot grasp what Max is saying. What both the BBC and Autosport are saying seems at odds with others opinions insofar that they are condemning Ocon. I must admit the more I see the less I understand, but then, that sums up an awful lot of areas and have no conclusion other than to ask the question would Lewis or Seb had that accident? I don't know is my answer. Chris, I was wondering the same, as it seems a very big coincidence seeing as he has the same first name as Nigel's son. There is no info on MS to say otherwise or confirm, even when one clicks on his name and then link to his details. Another interesting observation that he made about Charles Leclerc was his ability to stay out of trouble when mired in the mid pack at the beginning of races; as well as his clean and respectful overtaking ability. I am looking forward to him disassembling Max over the coming years . In answer to the collision question; the Lewis Hamilton of 2018 would not have tangled with Esteban, and Sebastian would have spun off without making contact . John
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Post by charleselan on Nov 16, 2018 12:25:00 GMT
In all seriousness Mikael, there can be little doubt that it is the future, as much as many of us hate the thought. It is becoming greatly supported by many of the big motor manufacturers, and this is where their money is going. For myself, and no doubt many older enthusiasts, the thought of any racing vehicle without the accompanying sound of a highly tuned internal combustion engine is not what we wish to be around. The one question, well the most pertinent at this time, I have regarding electric cars is this. How long will those rechargeable batteries last for surely they will be "lifed" just as those that power all other items that have rechargeable battery power. How much will a replacement cost? Or will the vehicle have to be scrapped? What of the dead battery cell, will it be recyclable, or will there be environmental issues with its disposal? Just musing . JC, yes, it seems that “the World” has been convinced that combustion engine-driven cars are “evil monsters” that need to be extinguished as soon as possible – and that electric cars are the future. But it seems premature to take the drastic step to prohibit the sale of combustion engine-driven cars in the very near future, as some European countries plan to do, since the energy density of batteries is still so low (compared to liquid fuels like gasoline) – and the needed break-through may not be just around the corner. And yes, worn-down batteries could be a real environment hazard – handling- and recycling-systems have to be planned carefully. As to Formula E, I must admit I find it completely uninteresting – at present, at least. Electric racing cars could become interesting if they, say, become much faster than even (combustion-engined) Formula 1 – if they went off like “rocket ships”, making combustion-engined cars look, in comparison, as if they were standing still. But there's a long way to go … The electric motor can be made close to 100% efficient – that is of course a big plus. So what needs to be improved is the battery only. Formula E will surely contribute to the development in battery-technology. As important as it may be, it's not something that can “fascinate” me, I must admit. On the other hand, I think there has always been something “magical” about (combustion) racing engines at the “frontier of development”. The theoretical maximum efficiency of a combustion engine depends on only two things: (1) the compression ratio and (2) the (specific) heat capacity of the air-fuel mixture. A racing engine with a compression ratio of 17:1 (like the last generation V8 F1 engines), will have a maximum theoretical efficiency of about 68%. But to try to increase that (like with current use of diesel-technology) – that I find truly fascinating! Hence I have actually come to like the present hybrid-turbo engines. Even their sound – with all their “squeaks” and “brrrrr” when they go into battery-charge mode. It's fascinating! We must enjoy it – as long as it lasts. Mikael, I am with you on all points. Personally I have watched quite a few Formula E races on TV but find myself drifting off and I cannot concentrate on the event at all. Although i did find the last race where JEV pulled himself up the order to clinch the championship quite entertaining. No one can substitute the sound of a racing internal combustion engine in my opinion; don't care whether it is a multi cylinder four stroke or a screaming two stroke, all are pure music. I still get shivers when I hear a Cosworth DFV fire up, let alone a Matra V12 or Ferrari 12 cylinder. The technology involved in the current F1 motors is impressive, but to me it is way too complex and costly. The whole ideology of the FIA with these motors, and the rules inflicted upon them are counter productive. No new manufacturer is going to come into the formula as it stands, as it is impossible to catch up with those that have a clear lead on development particularly with the draconian restrictions in place. It would not be so bad if the idiots at the FIA had the foresight to implement something like they do in MotoGP where a new manufacturer has concessions which allow them to get on terms with the ones who have been competing for years. These concessions are reduced or removed for the following season as the new player gets podium places over the course of a season.
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Post by charleselan on Nov 16, 2018 12:42:20 GMT
Hi fellow Racers, I think that there is still much more to be sucked from the marrow of that Brazilian GP. What happened to Ferrari? Their intent to take the battle to Mercedes evaporated. I was excited to see them pull off the clever strategic move of getting through Q2 on the Soft tyres (even if I was very disappointed in Vettel losing his temper in the 'weigh bridge incident'). In the race, the Softs didn't deliver the long run pace required for them to provide an advantage, so both Ferrari's were struggling off the line and for most of the first 5 laps. The we find out that Vettel's car is hampered by a sensor issue, and although Raikonnen had a decent race and get himself well in front of Bottas, he wasn't able to use the soft tyre strategy to pressure Hamilton. Are Ferrari ever going to be able to get all their ducks lined up to be able to challenge Mercedes over a whole season? I thought there was lots more of interest going on in the race, such as what was the damage that Erikson experienced on the warm up lap that destroyed his race? Given he'd qualified ahead of Le Clerc, if his car hadn't failed that could have been a 7th & 8th for Sauber - fantastic considering where they were just a year ago. Riccardo, had a fantastic (error free) race, from 11th up to 5th, and challenging Bottas' Mercedes strongly for 4th. Together with Ver-crash-en's mighty (errored) race, it impressed me that the underpowered RBR Renault was able to show more race pace than either the Ferrari's or Mercedes - should all races be at 800m or above? What does anyone think is the reason for the growing hype about RBR getting the Honda p.u's next year? In the Toro Rosso cars it seems that development has stalled. While the p.u's aren't failing in races, they have used a huge number of elements this season, and are still only at the back of the midfield. I'm skeptical that we are going to find when the Honda p.u is in the back of a Red Bull next year, that it is suddenly on par with Merc and Ferrari. What does the round table think? ? Good post Jim, with lots for people to ponder and maybe answer. I read quite a bit elsewhere on matters but these days I tend to skim through things as my interest isn't what it was. However I have gleaned a few snippets here and there that may be relevant. I believe the Red Bulls went so well at Interlagos because they were predominantly better on the tyres than the MB & Ferrari cars, also Hamilton's car was running a motor that was about to expire at any time, he was severely compromised all race. There can be little doubt that in most cases the Newey teams chassis is the best and benefits from running the high rake attitude he pioneered with a shorter wheelbase. With regard to that it appears that next years regulations may well disadvantage the high rake idea, so we will have to see what Mr Newey comes up with. Also Honda will be running a completely new power unit next year which may well turn the tide, however I get the feeling that there will be a lot of "Teddy Throwing" within that team next year with it's new driver pairing. I just cannot see that being harmonious as both Verstappen and Gasly whinge more that a Tory Brexiteer. Interesting to note that Mark Hughes writes that Renault run on a much restricted budget to that of Ferrari and MB, can't see how that one works out personally for the French team. So you run a factory team with a restricted budget when you are more or less in an "arms race", whose going to win that one then?
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Post by René on Nov 16, 2018 14:05:11 GMT
I do still read some of the features on MS, as some really are worth reading, but forget the comments they are to be ignored if one wishes to retain some form of sanity. The one new feature that caught my eye was written by driving coach Scott Mansell about Charles Leclerc, and is rather good and very insightful into the young mans driving style/technique. It would appear that he has a very different style to Sebastian and that maybe my prediction of Charles becoming next years World champion are not too far fetched. Mansell actually says that he would not be surprised if Leclerc finishes ahead of Vettel by the time they get to Abu Dhabi in 2019 . I am not alone gentlemen. It's an interesting feature and confirming what we all feel that Charles Leclerc is an exceptional talent. I can tell you that I am already a huge fan, even before his Ferrari contract was signed. It's not only his superb driving but his whole appearance and how he expresses himself. I actually prefer him much more than Max to be honest. I also believe he will be a force in the Ferrari from day one and the glory days are not far away now. But I do hope that Sebastian wins the title next year given his sincere Ferrari passion. It would be well deserved and after that it will be Charles's time. But hey, if Charles can't wait than so be it! Forza!
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Post by René on Nov 16, 2018 14:07:28 GMT
You can Jim, use the 'Insert video' button when you create a new post. Thanks Rene, I see the problem, I've been using the Quote and Quick Reply options for all of my posts I've finally had a look at the Reply option and it has all sorts of tools! Look out fellow Racers, this is going to get messy!! Looking forward to the messy part Jim!
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Post by René on Nov 16, 2018 14:28:18 GMT
Hi fellow Racers, I think that there is still much more to be sucked from the marrow of that Brazilian GP. What happened to Ferrari? Their intent to take the battle to Mercedes evaporated. I was excited to see them pull off the clever strategic move of getting through Q2 on the Soft tyres (even if I was very disappointed in Vettel losing his temper in the 'weigh bridge incident'). In the race, the Softs didn't deliver the long run pace required for them to provide an advantage, so both Ferrari's were struggling off the line and for most of the first 5 laps. The we find out that Vettel's car is hampered by a sensor issue, and although Raikonnen had a decent race and get himself well in front of Bottas, he wasn't able to use the soft tyre strategy to pressure Hamilton. Are Ferrari ever going to be able to get all their ducks lined up to be able to challenge Mercedes over a whole season? I thought there was lots more of interest going on in the race, such as what was the damage that Erikson experienced on the warm up lap that destroyed his race? Given he'd qualified ahead of Le Clerc, if his car hadn't failed that could have been a 7th & 8th for Sauber - fantastic considering where they were just a year ago. Riccardo, had a fantastic (error free) race, from 11th up to 5th, and challenging Bottas' Mercedes strongly for 4th. Together with Ver-crash-en's mighty (errored) race, it impressed me that the underpowered RBR Renault was able to show more race pace than either the Ferrari's or Mercedes - should all races be at 800m or above? What does anyone think is the reason for the growing hype about RBR getting the Honda p.u's next year? In the Toro Rosso cars it seems that development has stalled. While the p.u's aren't failing in races, they have used a huge number of elements this season, and are still only at the back of the midfield. I'm skeptical that we are going to find when the Honda p.u is in the back of a Red Bull next year, that it is suddenly on par with Merc and Ferrari. What does the round table think? ? A lot to ponder about. I think it is correct what JC said that both Mercedes and Ferrari were comprimised and therefore the Red Bull's pace was maybe a little bit flattered. On the other hand I must say I do have the impression Red Bull made a step and are closer to the front now than mid season. Ferrari will win a championship in this new era. They always have. Mercedes's advantage in 2014 was so huge it took a few seasons for others (mainly Ferrari) to catch up. The serious challenge started in 2017 and they will probably win next year. Honda is a bigger question mark. I hope they will come good because that will make the championship more exciting. But deep pockets and high tech facilities are not enough. I think Honda lost more than they won over the years they participated in F1. The big successes of the late 80's and early 90's are far behind us and not relevant anymore.
Of course Red Bull is talking only good of Honda now and maybe they know something that we don't. But I am not convinced yet looking at Toro Rosso. Time will tell and a lot will depend on how the Japanese will gel with the boys from Milton Keynes. That will be key!
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