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Post by charleselan on Nov 13, 2018 11:59:18 GMT
With the near exclusive focus on the Ocon/Verstappen collision, and its aftermath, I haven't seen any discussion of the Sainz/Hulkenberg sideswipe that took place early in the race. To me it looked like Sainz took a mighty swipe at Hulkenberg towards the end of a sustained side by side dice throught the nid section of the lap. That incident seems to have escaped attendtion, and sanction. Did anyone else notice it, and if so, what did you think? I can't comment on this one as i was unaware of it happening thanks to the streaming service "buffering" far too often for the first two thirds of the race. No mention of it either on any other sites I view, however from your description it sounds as though it should.
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Post by charleselan on Nov 13, 2018 12:25:47 GMT
For all those who view UK TV and are lamenting the imminent end to live Free To View Formula One transmissions, fear not for the great BBC have come to your rescue. This morning it has been announced that the BBC will broadcast live coverage of all Formula E races in both the Red Button and their Internet platforms.
Currently it is not known if they will just use the Formula E feed, or have a team dedicated to the sport. I would not hold my breath on that one as this company are known for their penny pinching when it comes to any form of motor sport.
Anyhow I can hardly wait, as my anticipation is almost full to overflowing, the future is upon us gentlemen.
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Post by Carl on Nov 13, 2018 17:31:10 GMT
With the near exclusive focus on the Ocon/Verstappen collision, and its aftermath, I haven't seen any discussion of the Sainz/Hulkenberg sideswipe that took place early in the race. To me it looked like Sainz took a mighty swipe at Hulkenberg towards the end of a sustained side by side dice throught the nid section of the lap. That incident seems to have escaped attendtion, and sanction. Did anyone else notice it, and if so, what did you think? I thought Sainz acted childishly without apparent reason.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 6:15:08 GMT
I hope only for a great race with a deserving winner.
Wouldn't it be great if somehow all the computers beyond the onboard systems lost connection, making the race a pure driving contest? Adrian Newey would have a nervous breakdown... Well you got your wish, but only for Vettel as it turned out. Despite that, it was a pretty good driving contest for most of the field.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 6:28:12 GMT
With the near exclusive focus on the Ocon/Verstappen collision, and its aftermath, I haven't seen any discussion of the Sainz/Hulkenberg sideswipe that took place early in the race. To me it looked like Sainz took a mighty swipe at Hulkenberg towards the end of a sustained side by side dice throught the nid section of the lap. That incident seems to have escaped attendtion, and sanction. Did anyone else notice it, and if so, what did you think? I can't comment on this one as i was unaware of it happening thanks to the streaming service "buffering" far too often for the first two thirds of the race. No mention of it either on any other sites I view, however from your description it sounds as though it should. Definitely worth seeking out, the link below shows a couple of views of the Sainz chop, but not the racing that went on before it. Also check out Verstappen's pass on Vettel - did he leave the track on the inside of the corner to make that? Shades of his illegal pass on Raikonnen at the 2017 USGP. I'd forgotten I can't load YouTube links on this site - not sure why But search for 1) Brazilian GP2018 Race Highlights - 'https://youtu.be/o5pdLO9irzY' 2) Max gets Mad+ All the best onboards Brazilian GP2018 - 'https://youtu.be/byStQVA-bFU'
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 6:30:58 GMT
With the near exclusive focus on the Ocon/Verstappen collision, and its aftermath, I haven't seen any discussion of the Sainz/Hulkenberg sideswipe that took place early in the race. To me it looked like Sainz took a mighty swipe at Hulkenberg I thought Sainz acted childishly without apparent reason. It certainly looked that way, but I haven't heard any other discussion of the incident - I wouldn't be surprised if Sainz finds himself out of a Renault drive at this rate ;-)
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Post by René on Nov 14, 2018 16:33:09 GMT
I thought Sainz acted childishly without apparent reason. It certainly looked that way, but I haven't heard any other discussion of the incident - I wouldn't be surprised if Sainz finds himself out of a Renault drive at this rate ;-)
Apparently nothing going on between the drivers... but it did look different at first.
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Post by René on Nov 14, 2018 16:36:06 GMT
I'd forgotten I can't load YouTube links on this site - not sure why But search for 1) Brazilian GP2018 Race Highlights - 'https://youtu.be/o5pdLO9irzY' 2) Max gets Mad+ All the best onboards Brazilian GP2018 - 'https://youtu.be/byStQVA-bFU' You can Jim, use the 'Insert video' button when you create a new post.
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Post by charleselan on Nov 14, 2018 18:21:17 GMT
I thought Sainz acted childishly without apparent reason. It certainly looked that way, but I haven't heard any other discussion of the incident - I wouldn't be surprised if Sainz finds himself out of a Renault drive at this rate ;-) As René has commented there is nothing going on between the two drivers, both have said that it was "a bit of fun". Bet the Renault pit wall didn't think so at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 22:32:17 GMT
Wonder how Sainz feels about going to McLaren? Up against quite an effective journeyman Pay Driver in the shape of Norris and dropped into the worst turmoil in the team's history... not sure he's relishing the prospect.
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Post by René on Nov 14, 2018 23:28:22 GMT
Wonder how Sainz feels about going to McLaren? Up against quite an effective journeyman Pay Driver in the shape of Norris and dropped into the worst turmoil in the team's history... not sure he's relishing the prospect. Could be a career destroying move but he didn't have many other options anyway. And this one was probably facilitated by Fernando. Olé.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 3:23:02 GMT
Wonder how Sainz feels about going to McLaren? Up against quite an effective journeyman Pay Driver in the shape of Norris and dropped into the worst turmoil in the team's history... not sure he's relishing the prospect. Could be a career destroying move but he didn't have many other options anyway. And this one was probably facilitated by Fernando. Olé. Agreed. Also facilitated by a sharp kicking from Hulk. Sainz is 12-6 down to Nico this year in qual. www.racefans.net/2018-f1-season/2018-f1-statistics/2018-f1-qualifying-data/He needed to run him closer. Next year should see some very slim margins between Hulkenberg and Ricciardo. A great pairing.
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Post by robmarsh on Nov 15, 2018 7:13:51 GMT
Thinking some more on events in Brazil.
Max may need to think some more on how he reacts to certain triggers, before his rivals start turning them against him. If Ocon can get him to lose his temper just by smiling at him imagine what other guys could do just before the start of a race or qualifying session.
I am in agreement with John re the blue flags. Their initial use was to warn the driver in front that there was a faster car behind that may be in a position to overtake. Flag held still. If the driver was about to overtake or was clearly much faster, then the blue flag would be waved vigorously or depending of the nationality of the marshal or driver stuck in the cockpit. Both these uses would have saved Max from embarrassment. In fact if it hadn't been for a former world champions inability to overtake a Russian backmarker, the stupidity of modern day track design and the FIA's penchant for using a band aid instead of properly addressing the problem, then the old way would still be in place. I, like John, thought part of the skill of a racing driver was how they got through backmarkers and not how loudly they could bleat on the radio.
Talking about band aids to fix a problem, it looks like next year's batch of bandages and the 2021 changes won't do much to improve racing. Already it has been confirmed that the engines will not change for 2021 and that the proposed aero rules for 2019 will favour the low rake cars better eg Mercedes.
I could think of a few changes that will not cost anything but will add to the uncertainty of the result. They could be implemented with immediate effect too.
Revert to the old blue flag rule Let the teams use in combination of tyres eg soft on front, hard on rear No compulsory pit stops All tyres marked the same Reduce the amount of data teams can send back to base during times when the cars are in racing conditions eg practice and race I am sure there are many more simple but effective and cheap ways to make the racing less predictable and thus more exciting but still keep the technical interest high.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 8:05:08 GMT
I'd forgotten I can't load YouTube links on this site - not sure why But search for 1) Brazilian GP2018 Race Highlights - 'https://youtu.be/o5pdLO9irzY' 2) Max gets Mad+ All the best onboards Brazilian GP2018 - 'https://youtu.be/byStQVA-bFU' You can Jim, use the 'Insert video' button when you create a new post. Thanks Rene, I see the problem, I've been using the Quote and Quick Reply options for all of my posts I've finally had a look at the Reply option and it has all sorts of tools! Look out fellow Racers, this is going to get messy!!
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Post by mikael on Nov 15, 2018 8:30:46 GMT
Those are very interesting data. Interesting to see that Verstappen and Ocon are, in a sense, quite evenly matched in the "team mate comparisons" list: Verstappen - Ricciardo: 14 - 4 Ocon - Perez: 15 - 5 And good for Grosjean that he found his old self: Grosjean - Magnussen: 10 - 8 On another matter, to me the decision to keep the present engines beyond 2021 seems to be a senseful one, and I hope it stays. It will be very interesting indeed to see if the forthcoming changes in the aerodynamic appendages will imply changes in the pecking order too. Hopefully they will!
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