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Post by Carl on Jul 9, 2018 4:58:11 GMT
I am afraid Hamilton has to blame himself for that start, that is where it all began. Once he failed to lead and was caught in the melee of the first few curves, everything could - and did - happen. I totally agree.
When losing is impossible, so is graceful winning. Hamilton lost his head trying to regain what he never had, the lead.
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Post by robmarsh on Jul 9, 2018 7:51:59 GMT
An eventful and at times spectacular race with a well deserved winner and a bitter aftertaste. Never before was the difference between the big three and the rest so stark as here in Silverstone. And never before was the speed difference between the big two and Red Bull so evident. It was almost like a WEC race with three different classes. Nonetheless an interesting race and the image at the end of the two Mercs and two Ferraris going full throttle through Maggots and Becketts was mind blowing. Sebastian was on form today and his pass on Bottas was world class. A great victory. Lewis drove a good recovery race, much helped by two safety cars but nevertheless a fine drive. - After the race Lewis makes a remark about 'interesting tactics' from Ferrari and not much later Wolff and Allison are raising the questions if this was deliberate or incompetence from Ferrari's part. I find this outrageous and obscene. Mercedes has dominated the sport with an unfair advantage for years and now that finally Ferrari has them by the balls, they are acting like spoiled little children. They are the worst losers imagineable. They actually dare to suggest that all of this, the French GP and now this was a deliberate plan by Ferrari to sabotage their results. The idea alone to suggest that Kimi would deliberatly take Lewis out is sick. When Lewis did not join Seb and Kimi on the grid with Martin Brundle after the race, Nico Rosberg (who is a pundit for German RTL) already expressed his disbelieve why Lewis was acting so melodramatic after a good race. And then these remarks about Ferrari doing this on purpose. I can't find the right words to express how disappointed I am with all of this but I sincerely hope Mercedes does not win a race again, ever. I agree with you René. Mercedes and Hamilton have gone down in my estimation after those unsportsmanlike comments. There is no place for them. I wonder what Lauda's views were. He seems conspicuous by his absence. Two points on Lewis. One I am tired of his behaviour and petulance when things don't go his way and how he almost gives up and his team have to exhort him to put in what should be a normal performance if he is a racer. Hardly what I consider behaviour from a supposed giant of the sport. Two, the interview with Jenson Button gave me the distinct impression that he will not be around for much longer. Two seasons max. As for the race it was a cracker and a well deserved win for Seb and Ferrari. Kimi is also driving with a lot of fire at the moment. Hats off to Ferrari after a disastrous end to last season and the chance of winning the championship thrown away by a series of self inflicted errors to the position they are at present takes guts and discipline. Not only have the Ferrari team improved but they have pulled their customers along with them. Maybe Mercedes should take a leaf out of Ferrari's book on what F1 is about.
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Post by robmarsh on Jul 9, 2018 8:00:44 GMT
I am afraid Hamilton has to blame himself for that start, that is where it all began. Once he failed to lead and was caught in the melee of the first few curves, everything could - and did - happen. One of my immediate thoughts after the Mercedes team comments was that maybe they need to look at the footage from the start of the last three races. In all three the Ferraris got off the line better and in all three the Mercedes drivers were fairly agressive in blocking the Ferraris from getting through. I think they call it boxing them in. Everybody who follows F1 closely, including I imagine the Mercedes management and drivers, know that if you deprive a car of downforce it is not as efficient at stopping. Maybe Mercedes should look closer to home as to the cause of the accidents!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 8:34:40 GMT
Excellent point, Rob.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 10:16:49 GMT
I agree with you René. Mercedes and Hamilton have gone down in my estimation after those unsportsmanlike comments. There is no place for them. I wonder what Lauda's views were. He seems conspicuous by his absence. Two points on Lewis. One I am tired of his behaviour and petulance when things don't go his way and how he almost gives up and his team have to exhort him to put in what should be a normal performance if he is a racer. Hardly what I consider behaviour from a supposed giant of the sport. Two, the interview with Jenson Button gave me the distinct impression that he will not be around for much longer. Two seasons max. As for the race it was a cracker and a well deserved win for Seb and Ferrari. Kimi is also driving with a lot of fire at the moment. Hats off to Ferrari after a disastrous end to last season and the chance of winning the championship thrown away by a series of self inflicted errors to the position they are at present takes guts and discipline. Not only have the Ferrari team improved but they have pulled their customers along with them. Maybe Mercedes should take a leaf out of Ferrari's book on what F1 is about. Still the best driver around though, and by some margin, Rob. And I am not even a fan.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 10:20:49 GMT
Hughes is taking a lot of time to churn out his report. Two hypotheses: 1 - Long exit queues from Silverstone. Like "it's coming home". 2 - Arrivabene is not available for comment. As usual. Take your pick.
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Post by charleselan on Jul 9, 2018 10:28:53 GMT
I held off from commenting yesterday as I was not in a good mood following the live coverage by the Free to view UK C4 channel. It was truly appalling in my opinion and mirrored the jingoistic tabloidesque provider S*Y Sport F1. Coultard was absolutely awful and quite obviously has an issue with Kimi, or should I say "KeeMee", that is when he can bring himself to call the Finn by his first name. As for Suzie Fox; jeez she is more irritating and annoying than a cluster of house flies, and her comments after the race were terrible.
Both suppliers of F1 coverage for the UK and other English speaking nations could well look at the outstanding presentation of the British Eurosport team that cover British Superbikes. They were absolutely superb at Knockhill yesterday and so good to see James Whitham back on form even though he is obviously still having serious treatment by the look of his polished and smooth dome. Matt; the two James (Whit & Haydon) and good old Jack in the commentary box are just so good with top quality analysis both before and after each race and the commentary team have knowledge and humour.
As for the event; you have all said it before me. The after race comments and behaviour of The Mighty Hamilton and Tonto were an absolute disgrace and massively unprofessional, both should be charged with bringing the sport into disrepute.
Yes! Kimi made a small mistake but to me any other driver than Hamilton would have seen where he was from the previous corner and allowed much more room. It was a racing incident caused by Hamilton's terrible start and subsequent following corners, he screwed up big time. In 2014 at the German GP Hamilton virtually "T" Boned Kimi with both front wheels locked up, ruined Kimi's race and had no penalty what so ever; then we have the rear end in the Pit Lane in Canada a few years earlier, no penalty or reprimand!
We were then subjected to The Mighty Hamilton whinging away about how badly damaged his car was and that he could not drive it, all the time scything through the much slower cars. He then needed his techie boy to encourage him and massage his ego, great driver, my backside! Did he actually overtake the Red Bulls on track, don't think so all done by the pit stops and Safety Car. Kimi was vastly quicker in free air than the RB's but they held him up, if not he would have been second.
One could also tell Kimi was fired up by the tone of his radio communication and all credit to him he got stuck into Max who yet again profited from a retake outside of real corner. I would loved to have seen what happened when the dust went up as they were about to enter the Hanger Straight and Kimi came out in front.
Great drive by Sebastian and no way would Hamilton have beaten him without the coming together, the difference between Sebastian and Hamilton is clearly illustrated by how they come back from adversity; the Ferrari driver just gets his head down.
Post race interview with Kimi was interesting as he seemed very down beat and said to Martin Brundle in not so many words that he tries his best and has lots of podiums this year but it doesn't seem to be enough for "some people". Was that a reference to the media or was it that Ferrari have told him he isn't being resigned for 2019?
Lauda did comment by the way and he also intimated that he thought Ferrari were playing dirty tricks, so he too isn't covered with roses either. No doubt we will get some spin doctor trying to tidy up the MB comments and actions; but very bad form from this team.
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Post by robmarsh on Jul 9, 2018 14:03:59 GMT
Great points Charles and thanks for the input on Lauda. Very disappointed in him as well. Really. Mercedes were very clever in getting the engine right in 2014 and have been coasting since then. Even in 2014 I thought they may not do well under constant pressure and the weaknesses would be exposed. It got close for a while last year and some cracks appeared now they are appearing to be widening. Hamilton may be the most talented driver out there but his attitude when things don't go his way leaves a lot to be desired. Of the four titles won by Mercedes, the one by Nico is the greatest.
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Post by Jamie on Jul 9, 2018 15:35:44 GMT
A good race I thought and Vettel was imperious.....hats off to Ferrari, I think the updates have put them at the head of the pack. Their engine is perhaps the strongest now 👍
Toto and Hamilton’s comments were ill advised afterwards for sure but no worse than others have made in similar circumstances. It’s all mind games and an inability to look inwards seems to be a prerequisite for a top line GP drivers theses days (regrettably). Kimi definitely caused the accident but it’s disappinting to see every incident given a penalty these days......jeeeeez, suck it up and let them get on with it, swings and roundabouts etc. We were denied a great race between Lewis and Seb which was a great pity; still think Seb would’ve prevailed but it would have been spicy. Not Hamilton’s finest hour though granted 😁
I think Vettel will gather momentum now and may well get that 5th championship, wouldn’t be a bad thing in my book as the MB juggernaut has tumbled on for too long.
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Post by charleselan on Jul 9, 2018 16:39:29 GMT
Great points Charles and thanks for the input on Lauda. Very disappointed in him as well. Really. Mercedes were very clever in getting the engine right in 2014 and have been coasting since then. Even in 2014 I thought they may not do well under constant pressure and the weaknesses would be exposed. It got close for a while last year and some cracks appeared now they are appearing to be widening. Hamilton may be the most talented driver out there but his attitude when things don't go his way leaves a lot to be desired. Of the four titles won by Mercedes, the one by Nico is the greatest. Couldn't agree more Rob. MB spent a fortune in developing that "power unit" which put them well ahead of everyone else, while RB and Ferrari were at it hammer and tongs in the last years of the old formula. Also they profited from the things that Ross Brawn had put in place, only for them to replace him, I bet Tonto is proud of that one. They are coming unravelled and their weaknesses are being exposed, mark my words heads will be rolling as time passes by. I am no great Ferrari fan but I hope they take it to MB from now on and rub their noses in it. I agree Nico's championship was the only meritorious one in my eyes; apparently according to Suzie Fox, Hamilton destroyed Nico while they were together. Run that past me again would you Madam; who won the WC in 2016 and then retired a very happy man!
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Post by Jamie on Jul 9, 2018 16:43:22 GMT
Who is Suzie Fox?
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Post by charleselan on Jul 9, 2018 16:55:49 GMT
Probably Apple Spell Predict! No just having a little joke with myself, when people get up my nose I like to have a little fun, and she royally got up my nose yesterday, as did her Scottish counterpart!
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Post by Jamie on Jul 9, 2018 16:57:58 GMT
Ah Susie Wollf 😂....of course.
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Post by charleselan on Jul 9, 2018 17:03:07 GMT
Maybe I should call her "old man", Tonto Fox, that has a certain ring to it, don't you know. In fact that would be a great name for any actor; Ah! wait a minute..........
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Post by chrisb on Jul 9, 2018 21:06:11 GMT
i see Lewis is somewhat backtracking now, saying his comment about Kimi was 'dumb' - at last I agree with you Lewis, and as for Niki - whom I do revere and enjoyed his interview ith Nigel on the 'other side' well, Niki cast thy mind back to 1976 if one wants to discuss tactics,
JC, the 'lads own' culture of 1st the beeb and now C4 is - just boring, when Lee and Allan do it, it is brilliant its fun, entertaining and grown up- and respectful of any given intelligence, as for DC, well - glad you made your money as you quite frankly are not making sense
Eurosport and Dorma do a great job, but Eurosport - introduced by Mat, Jack is great, I like listening to Niall but the two J's are a hoot, respectful and funny, insightful and relevant, no talking for talking sakes old fashioned good old commentary - brilliant
I have never been a Ferrari fan, the nearest I got was when Gilles drove for them, but their aura is breathtaking, but even I am cheering them on this year,
Lucio, not sure i can agree my friend, we've only see Lewis in the top cars, the Kimster in his pre-Ferrari days would have blown him off as would have Alonso - who is number one now? I personally think they are all number two's...
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