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Post by René on Jul 7, 2018 18:13:02 GMT
Spectacular qualifying and a mega lap by Lewis. I can't remember it ever being so close between the top 3, amazing. Great to see Ferrari countered Mercedes's 'super Austria upgrade' with an equally effective upgrade. Their long run pace was better so this could be a good race between Lewis and the reds.
Strong qualy also by Max who, despite his rocky season start has the upper hand over Danny again and not by a small margin. Leclerc top class as we have become to expect from him. You almost take it for granted but it's clearly very special.
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Post by René on Jul 7, 2018 18:56:42 GMT
Ferrari better car, according Hughes significantly upgraded in the development war at Silverstone, but Hamilton is on pole. That is the best driver in F1 today. By some margin. - And to reiterate what I said last week, Bottas has a chance only when the Merc has the clear advantage, otherwise he's back to his level, Massa or thereabouts. PS - No offence to Massa, who would still lap around the current Williams' drivers with one arm only. If I would be forced to rate the current drivers in a list I would probably also put Lewis on 1. But I believe the margins are very small, certainly between Lewis and Seb. And if Bottas who is, as you say on a Massa or thereabouts level is less than 3 tenth slower than the fastest Ferrari, the difference between the Ferrari and the Merc cannot be that big. It would even suggest the Merc is still fractionally faster.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 21:58:47 GMT
As it so hot outside probably 30+ C ... Here, on the other side of the Earth, we have also had some really hot days - and sleepless nights, due to the heat) but we can be grateful for typhoon #7 for cooling things down quite a bit :-) Here typhoons are not given names, just numbers, due to the sheer ... number of their presence.
Your most recent typhoon made the radio news here this morning. Over 30 dead and 40 missing, extensive flooding and landslides, that's intense weather. I hope you're well out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 22:45:01 GMT
Spectacular qualifying and a mega lap by Lewis. I can't remember it ever being so close between the top 3, amazing. Great to see Ferrari countered Mercedes's 'super Austria upgrade' with an equally effective upgrade. Their long run pace was better so this could be a good race between Lewis and the reds. Strong qualy also by Max who, despite his rocky season start has the upper hand over Danny again and not by a small margin. Leclerc top class as we have become to expect from him. You almost take it for granted but it's clearly very special. The pace of the Mercedes and Ferrari are so close this season. The difference in results is coming down to small, and sometimes external, factors. Fantastic after the seasons of Mercedes dominance, fingers crossed the field continues to close up. Verstappen's pace advantage over Ricciardo was mostly down to a DRS activation problem, apparently worth 0.3 to 0.4 sec a lap. The information I'd like to have is long run pace of the cars on the different compounds, that would give us more of a clue of the relative race-pace
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 23:26:43 GMT
Ferrari better car, according Hughes significantly upgraded in the development war at Silverstone, but Hamilton is on pole. That is the best driver in F1 today. By some margin. If I would be forced to rate the current drivers in a list I would probably also put Lewis on 1. But I believe the margins are very small, certainly between Lewis and Seb. For me, it's difficult to agree who is the 'best' driver in F1, when performance is so dependant on the car, its p.u, the Team, and the budget. You can get a comparison between team mates, but without equal machinery I don't think its possible to be categorical about the relative abilities of the drivers. I could make an argument that over the past few seasons Hulkenberg or Perez have been the 'best' drivers, as in the midfield where the cars are far more equally matched, they have consistently got the best results. Would they beat Hamilton or Vettel in equal machinery? We'll never know for sure, because the machines aren't equal. Which is great because it gives us so much to speculate about.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 0:32:51 GMT
If I would be forced to rate the current drivers in a list I would probably also put Lewis on 1. But I believe the margins are very small, certainly between Lewis and Seb. And if Bottas who is, as you say on a Massa or thereabouts level is less than 3 tenth slower than the fastest Ferrari, the difference between the Ferrari and the Merc cannot be that big. It would even suggest the Merc is still fractionally faster.
Hamilton, that Hamilton seen yesterday, on a Ferrari would have been ahead not 44/1000, rather more of 3-4/10ths, if not half a second. Easily. Vettel, as usual, wasn't capable to get ahead even with a car advantage.
Bottas' level tells you where Merc is at this track - slower than Ferrari by that much. Hamilton made up for that. It never happens the other way round with Vettel.
Vettel is very good, but he is the best of the rest - until Ver-crashen gets a championship-capable winning car and finally shows us what he's made of - or perhaps not.
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Post by Carl on Jul 8, 2018 1:27:10 GMT
That first year March only ever stood out because of the supreme talent of Jackie Stewart and Chris Amon, both of whom were drawn in by Max Mosley's diabolical sweet talk, good practice perhaps for the grand delusion he and Bernie later visited on the Formula One establishment. "Come in they said. We'll give ya shelter from the storm"
"Not a word was spoke between us, there was little risk involved Everything up to that point had been left unresolved Try imagining a place where it's always safe and warm Come in, she said I'll give ya shelter from the storm" -Bob Dylan
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 2:52:51 GMT
Another thing that, unsurprisingly, went missing with the test of time, a short period actually, is the fact that Ricciardo did not sign any "pre-agreement" (whatever that is supposed to mean) with Ferrari.
Ricciardo tried to force his hand towards Merc and, in particular, Ferrari. Along the same battle line, Hughes was sold a BS that Ricciardo had this pre-agreement ["we know he signed an agreement with someone, don't know who" sort-of-thing] - most likely by Horner, in order to force to show their hand to other parties out of Red Bull's control (Ricciardo, first and also Ferrari) - but there has been no suggestion or substance that the alleged agreement with Ferrari, allegedly due to expire at the end of June, was ever there in the first place.
That is what happens when you speak only English, the other half of the equation does not comment, because perhaps have really nothing to say - and when they do it's in Italian - plus with Sergione doing it his own way. Lot of hearsay nonsense sold for news. And everybody else swooning in the MS' comments sections.
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Post by mikael on Jul 8, 2018 3:31:59 GMT
Spectacular qualifying and a mega lap by Lewis. I can't remember it ever being so close between the top 3, amazing.
Just 8/1000 sec. between #1 and #3, that's very close indeed.
But when speaking of closeness, the European GP 1997 comes to mind. Here Villeneuve, Schumacher, and Frentzen set the same time, down to 1/1000 sec.
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Post by chrisb on Jul 8, 2018 5:13:38 GMT
Mikael, that was a cery strange qualifying session back in 97, it just felt almost contrived but how it was defeated my understanding, but it does show what happens when you have competitive machinery, and the way the Ferrari's are matching the Mercs is good - and far more interesting than for a long, long, very long time,
how would the Hulk go in a Merc? would have been great to have found out,
I didn't see qualifying, the dilemma for me was: motorbike ride with 100 other Triumphs, vs British GP qualifying vs some soccer thingy vs the tennis vs WSB vs BSB, now I wonder what i did....
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Post by Jamie on Jul 8, 2018 6:59:05 GMT
Looking forward to this afternoon immensely actually, thanks to it being so close at the front. I really hope for a great race in glorious sunshine. Not going this year due to it clashing with my wife’s 40th birthday BBQ but will sneak off and find the TV, settle down with a couple of cold beers and a grilled steak and enjoy the race. It’s blisteringly hot in the UK at the moment (you only need to see the scorched earth at Silverstone where there is usually lush green) so tyres will probably be a factor, I think the Ferrari is quicker but I hope Lewis wins this one to continue the back and forth at the head of the championship.
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Post by Jamie on Jul 8, 2018 7:01:09 GMT
Oh, and Albon won the F2 race yesterday which put me in a great mood 👍 (even more so when England got through to the World Cup semi finals).
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Post by René on Jul 8, 2018 9:21:01 GMT
Spectacular qualifying and a mega lap by Lewis. I can't remember it ever being so close between the top 3, amazing.
Just 8/1000 sec. between #1 and #3, that's very close indeed.
But when speaking of closeness, the European GP 1997 comes to mind. Here Villeneuve, Schumacher, and Frentzen set the same time, down to 1/1000 sec.
How could I have forgotten that one! It doesn't get much closer than that, almost beyond believe. Those cars looked good, didn't they?
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Post by René on Jul 8, 2018 9:50:09 GMT
If I would be forced to rate the current drivers in a list I would probably also put Lewis on 1. But I believe the margins are very small, certainly between Lewis and Seb. And if Bottas who is, as you say on a Massa or thereabouts level is less than 3 tenth slower than the fastest Ferrari, the difference between the Ferrari and the Merc cannot be that big. It would even suggest the Merc is still fractionally faster. Hamilton, that Hamilton seen yesterday, on a Ferrari would have been ahead not 44/1000, rather more of 3-4/10ths, if not half a second. Easily. Vettel, as usual, wasn't capable to get ahead even with a car advantage. Bottas' level tells you where Merc is at this track - slower than Ferrari by that much. Hamilton made up for that. It never happens the other way round with Vettel.
Vettel is very good, but he is the best of the rest - until Ver-crashen gets a championship-capable winning car and finally shows us what he's made of - or perhaps not.
Lucio, Hamilton's pole lap was fantastic. No argument there! Lewis is an absolute master in squeezing everything out of his car under high pressure. But I think Vettel is too. Vettel was not feeling 100% fit on the saturday and therefore skipped his qualifying simulation in FP3. It seems likely to me that a 100% fit Vettel would have put the Ferrari on pole. He is on average a few tenth faster than Kimi. But agreed, the Ferrari seems the faster car around Silverstone but not by much.
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Post by René on Jul 8, 2018 9:54:48 GMT
Looking forward to this afternoon immensely actually, thanks to it being so close at the front. I really hope for a great race in glorious sunshine. Not going this year due to it clashing with my wife’s 40th birthday BBQ but will sneak off and find the TV, settle down with a couple of cold beers and a grilled steak and enjoy the race. It’s blisteringly hot in the UK at the moment (you only need to see the scorched earth at Silverstone where there is usually lush green) so tyres will probably be a factor, I think the Ferrari is quicker but I hope Lewis wins this one to continue the back and forth at the head of the championship. I am sure it will be a cracker Jamie. Make sure you don't miss it! Oh, and congrats with your wife's birthday! Say "hi" from the RRT boys!
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