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Post by Jamie on Aug 30, 2018 11:50:20 GMT
I saw the exchange where Ray mentioned the MotoGP thread and couldn’t understand where the guy who responded was coming from at all?? I thought Ray dealt with it rather well 👍
However, much as I enjoy Ray’s posts and have had pleasurable interactions with him on more than one occasion, I am somewhat glad he didn’t end up on here TBH. I do find him a little ‘holier than thou’ with how he belittles other peoples opinions sometimes, I find that quite irksome. Great entertainment though 😁
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Post by charleselan on Aug 30, 2018 12:30:23 GMT
From what I have deduced it would appear that according to some of those twerps (Carl seems to like that term ) a motorcycle racers well being is less important than that of a F1 driver, really since when has that been the case. Indirectly I think that is what R in T was trying to get across, also bike racing on designated circuits is infinitely more safe than pre 1990's but it is still not without its real dangers, unlike F1. No one is suggesting that F1 should be a sport where human tragedy is prevalent, but it should retain an element of danger just like the motorcyclists have to endure. For goodness sake a guy/gal riding a motorcycle or bicycle on public roads is more at risk than an F1 driver, and that is another point R in T was alluding towards. The "Toilet seat" is here to stay of that there can be little doubt, for that accident at the first turn at Spa 2018 has given those that wish it stay grounds to promote their ideology. So be it, I am not interested, and when all live Free to View TV has stopped at the end of 2018, so will I. Then those twerps on the MS forum can continue with their inane banter until the cows come home.
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Post by René on Aug 30, 2018 16:12:48 GMT
When watching René's photo of the beautiful Ferrari 312B - and seeing it in the light of the modern cars, it's interesting to note that great pains were taken, apparently, in making it as short as possible. The large engine appears to be "pushed" as deep under the driver's seat as possible. And the gearbox is amazingly compact. Considering the length of the engine, it's hard to see how the wheelbase could possibly be any shorter. Yes those cars were very short compared to modern cars and in the case of the 312B it looks even shorter with the rear wing positioned above the rear wheels. A bit like the Monaco spec Ferrari 312 T4. And thank you very much for your wonderful post/lecture about the noise/sound. An absolutely great read!
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Post by René on Aug 30, 2018 16:20:02 GMT
Great pictures Mikael which remind me of how things were back in the day. We could all walk around the cars and really look at them, and heaven forbid the paying spectator could actually take photos of them as well. Also the drivers were around, long before F1 drivers became Prima Madonnas who are inaccessible to the great unwashed. The mechanics back in those days were just that, real mechanics, not technicians as we are now forced to call them. Team owners and drivers like Bruce McLaren all used to chip in with doing jobs on the cars, now we have techies studying their laptops. Glad I was around in those days, unfortunately it has also shaped my mind set forever. JC, I have never been in the paddock area by an F1 race, unfortunately. But I recall that, as a boy, at national races in Denmark (mostly in the '70's) I enjoyed walking around in the paddock area almost as much as watching the races themselves. It's interesting to know that the atmosphere at F1 races was just as friendly at some time; and yes, it's interesting to think about that star drivers like Bruce McLaren and Jack Brabham often grabbed a wrench themselves.
Here are a few pictures I made in the Zolder paddock 1980. As you can see it was much more accessible and 'down to earth'. I can still see Keke Rosberg in his bright yellow overalls stepping out of the motorhome and saying 'hi' when I walked towards him for an autograph. Great memories, different times. At Tyrrell. Jody Scheckter being interviewed by Grand Prix International (who remembers that one?) And Renault.
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Post by charleselan on Aug 30, 2018 17:07:42 GMT
Great pics from 1980 René, and just as i remember things from the 1970's, however by 1980 you would not have been able to do that at Silverstone as the public were already being kept at bay. We all blamed Ecclestone, and not unreasonably so.
Carl's earlier post about the current WRC paddock being as it once was at F1 meetings is very on point. However I can remember back in the 1980's and before when it was possible to find out where the various works Rally teams were taking a service halt; one could see very close up the mechanics working on the cars and the drivers eating a sandwich or similar between stages. Amazing times indeed.
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Post by chrisb on Aug 30, 2018 19:28:37 GMT
Chaps, I had missed that insult to Jenks, who was the last of the great eccentrics and was such a complex, contradictory soul who mourned the losses more than most but resisted the changes you needed to prevent the losses. But then, being a sidecar passenger and navigator to Stirling on what was one of the most arduous races in Europe I suppose you might see the danger in a slightly different perspective. I was also aware of his hypocrisy when it came to Ayrton whom he seemed to idolise and almost seemed to excuse the behaviour.
I do like Ray and he has always been polite and friendly to me. He does seemed to have moderated his frustrations a bit in recent communications which was welcome. But some of the inane stupidity that follows some of the comments just pale and batter the remnants of my sanity into submission of not joining in MS feeble comments,
I don't think I was being that serious about Mat and Mark, but it would be great if they did.
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Post by chrisb on Aug 30, 2018 19:29:52 GMT
Rene, great pictures my friend, the glory of pre E and M - you actually got to see mechanics at work!
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Post by Carl on Aug 30, 2018 19:59:11 GMT
Chaps, I had missed that insult to Jenks, who was the last of the great eccentrics and was such a complex, contradictory soul who mourned the losses more than most but resisted the changes you needed to prevent the losses. But then, being a sidecar passenger and navigator to Stirling on what was one of the most arduous races in Europe I suppose you might see the danger in a slightly different perspective. I was also aware of his hypocrisy when it came to Ayrton whom he seemed to idolise and almost seemed to excuse the behaviour. I don't think I was being that serious about Mat and Mark, but it would be great if they did... Chris,
Excellent comment about DSJ, who preferred small internal combustion generated electricity at his cottage, eccentric and very brave indeed.
I agree that accomplished drivers and famous writers would all politely decline because their expertise would make them centers of attention. We'd have better luck and more enjoyment with former grid girls...
Cheers, Carl
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Post by René on Aug 31, 2018 15:36:20 GMT
We'd have better luck and more enjoyment with former grid girls... Carl, if you have their number, don't hesitate. You have my blessing!
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