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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 18:00:49 GMT
Imagine Gasly next year blowing away Verstappen.
I mean, as I was investigating in the past few weeks, some of the young guns eventually will have to raise to the challenge and turn the tables on the current hierarchy.
This is Gasly’s chance, history shows he won’t get another, ask Kvyat or Vergne.
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Post by charleselan on Aug 26, 2018 19:38:12 GMT
After the first corner carnage it was yawn; yawn.
Good to see a Ferrari victory however, and typically we were treated to a childishly snide remark from The Mighty Hamilton after the race, followed by his demeanour in the pre-podium room where he never fails to dampen things with his bitterness. So he doesn't like loosing, well I have news for the child, no one likes loosing in any competitive environment, however it is how you loose that matters.
As for Kimi's race.......make that several nun's now!!
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Post by mikael on Aug 27, 2018 2:12:45 GMT
In whatever way ... one thing that certainly has been improved incomparably in F1 during the last 50 years is the pit facilities.
At the Spanish GP (Montjuic), 1971
Silverstone in 1969 was not much better Before a demo-run at Spa, 2018
Seen with "2018 eyes", it's quite amazing what conditions the mechanics had to work under back then - even though they (too) were dealing with the most advanced and expensive machinery of the time.
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Post by chrisb on Aug 27, 2018 6:40:13 GMT
ah, Mikael, you excel yourself sir! brilliant photos, does remind me of the 'pits' and they really were the pits at Clermont Ferrand in 1965, F1 at its pinnacle of relaxed gallic flair, at its worst French farce - but love just your photo's.
as for the race, I was at a complete loss as to what happened at the start, but seeing it was caused by my favourite driver, I was not impressed, but the rest of it just was such a pale imitation of motor racing I watched the rain in Silverstone instead, even that felt more exciting, sorry chaps I really tried but the spectacle of Spa was not there for me
given the accident and our loathing of the halo, did it save his life?
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Post by robmarsh on Aug 27, 2018 6:44:20 GMT
Lovely pics. Though to me seeing the state of the art cars of the time in those somewhat rustic conditions just emphasised the beauty, power and mystique of the whole thing. Rather like seeing a predator in its natural habitat compared to a zoo. The cars stood out from their surroundings and you felt very privileged to be able to see them and even stand near them.
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Post by robmarsh on Aug 27, 2018 6:50:34 GMT
Chris I am not sure if the halo saved his life. As Martin Brundle said they would have to look closely at the pics. Even then the halo may have just deflected the trajectory enough. Either way I am glad it was there, ugly or not.
I enjoyed the race as I love the Spa circuit and Ferrari won. I agree with John Charles comments about LH and his behaviour after the race. He is becoming quite unlikeable. In contrast the happiness that positively shone from Seb was sincere, refreshing and a joy to see.
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Post by Jamie on Aug 27, 2018 7:47:38 GMT
I didn’t see the race as I was busy touring around perhaps the most spectacular natural formation I’ve ever seen - the Nerja caves, Spain - quite fantastic.
Doesn’t sound like I missed much so I’m not too disappointed. Lewis doesn’t like loosing does he, I expect they all hate it but one does have to have some grace about these things.....what was he up to after the race, not much in the press to go on? It feels like the natural competitive balance played out at Spa and I fully expect Seb to press home that slight car advantage and win the title now.
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Post by Jamie on Aug 27, 2018 8:02:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 8:21:06 GMT
The championship will go down to the wire, will be won for a small margin of points, as whoever between Vettel and Lewis gets ahead in a race, the other will likely follow. It is imperative not to make mistakes, either by the driver or the pitwall. Ferrari is the better car, as seen clearly yesterday, but I suspect/think Merc's pitwall and driver(s, both) are marginally better. It's wide open.
Hungary's and Hocknheim's mistakes show how they heavily weigh in, without them Vettel now would be ahead by 50-plus points and the championship would be his to lose. Instead he is pursuing and finely poised, may well still go either way.
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Post by charleselan on Aug 27, 2018 11:21:29 GMT
Great pictures Mikael which remind me of how things were back in the day. We could all walk around the cars and really look at them, and heaven forbid the paying spectator could actually take photos of them as well. Also the drivers were around, long before F1 drivers became Prima Madonnas who are inaccessible to the great unwashed.
The mechanics back in those days were just that, real mechanics, not technicians as we are now forced to call them. Team owners and drivers like Bruce McLaren all used to chip in with doing jobs on the cars, now we have techies studying their laptops.
Glad I was around in those days, unfortunately it has also shaped my mind set forever.
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Post by charleselan on Aug 27, 2018 11:34:08 GMT
Chris I am not sure if the halo saved his life. As Martin Brundle said they would have to look closely at the pics. Even then the halo may have just deflected the trajectory enough. Either way I am glad it was there, ugly or not. I enjoyed the race as I love the Spa circuit and Ferrari won. I agree with John Charles comments about LH and his behaviour after the race. He is becoming quite unlikeable. In contrast the happiness that positively shone from Seb was sincere, refreshing and a joy to see. Rob, I have long disliked the public persona displayed by The Mighty Hamilton, for it is not in the slightest appealing. For a grown man of 30(sh) years ( I have no idea of his actual age and don't really care) to behave in the manner he does when he hasn't won is pathetic. I can accept it from a school boy who gets beaten in a School Sports Day event, for he still has to learn, but in a "grown" man it displays something distasteful. I did notice that Martin Brundle terminated the post race interview pretty quickly after that as even he seemed embarrassed by the attitude displayed. As I said previously Hamilton always brings about a frosty bitter atmosphere in the pre-podium room, it is never joyous, or with any sense of camaraderie when he is in there. The over long and tedious post race show on UK C4 wasn't something I intended watching so went out to feed and water the animals, however it was still going when I returned to the house, jeez. Anyway in the closing minutes it was mentioned to Coultard about TMH's "attitude", typical response of excuse making or should i say something to the effect that this is the way he is and that he doesn't mix with the other drivers even on the pre race parade. JC
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Post by chrisb on Aug 27, 2018 18:02:16 GMT
Jamie, they sound fantastic, as I sit here with the heating on.....realising I haven't been out on the bike for 3 weeks - thanks to the weather. hope you are having a great time,
John et al, Lewis's lack of dignity and respect has always been a bore - I seem to recollect something in GP2 that sort of set the scene,
The above reminds me of some wonderful conversations with the late Duckhams Oils competition manager Ron Carnell - who was also an excellent squash player and friends with John Surtees. Ron would regale me with stories of John's competitiveness, once John driving an old banger was overtaken by some guy in a flash car and John didn't like it so drove this guy into his dust, however, John was as far as I am aware was always gracious in defeat and whilst he was never a 'good' loser, he hated losing, reasoning being a good loser is just a loser and John definitely wasn't one of those, never the most complimentary of his competitors - he was as far as I can recollect never disrespectful.
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Post by René on Aug 27, 2018 19:37:37 GMT
Some great comments and pictures above guys!
I know opinions on modern style F1 are divided on our forum but I had a great time at Spa: Ferrari won and Jacky Ickx demonstrated the wonderful 312B! What more could I have wished for? Furthermore Max drove a strong race which made for an even better atmosphere at Spa.
I actually enjoyed the race and when a Ferrari is leading there is no relaxing for me! Seb's decisive move on Lewis was top class and he controlled the race like a champ. I was gutted for Kimi though, that was bad luck for the Finn who was fast all weekend.
The start crash was obviously a mistake by the Hulk who just had a very bad weekend. He blocked both Seb and Lewis during practice and it seemed he didn't even notice! A weekend to forget for Nico.
Charles was lucky and in all honesty, I do believe the halo protected him here. It was a nasty crash.
The cars are quite impressive at full speed on the Kemmel straight. The noise is much better than it was in the first year of the hybrids. Not as deafening as the V8's but a good noise with a typical woosh sound, like missiles. I like it.
The only negative point of the weekend was the terrible live DJ situated right in front of us who played the most terrible music at a painful volume during every break between races. He continued during the national anthem and interviews before the race and only stopped when the F1 formation lap was done! This was an extremely bad idea by the organizers, I guess Liberty, to improve 'the show'.
Another negative (ok, the second negative) were Lewis's silly comments after the race. He should really think twice before he makes such comments. Even if he didn't mean how it sounded, it was not very clever. He is the reiging champion of a world sport viewed by millions of people. Every word he says in public will be weighed and judged, like it or not. He should know that by now.
But to end with a positive note, one of the highlights of the weekend for me was the demo run of the 1970 Ferrari 312B driven by the Belgium meastro Jacky Ickx himself. The car was in the gorgeous original Spa livery with the yellow stripes and No. 27 as can be seen on the wonderful photo posted by Mikael. Of course Ickx wasn't going full throttle but the sound of the flat twelve still gave me goosebumps. Fantastic what a beautiful car!
Pictures of the meeting will follow soon.
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Post by René on Aug 28, 2018 16:03:46 GMT
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Post by Carl on Aug 28, 2018 17:07:51 GMT
Rene, Wonderful photographs, as always! Were you in the crowd along the Kemmel straight? That's enough special administrative privileges for now... Vettel drove a perfect race and Lewis was the perfect fool. Speaking of foolishness, if Liberty Media was responsible for the lousy music blasted too loud at intervals, they reveal amazing ignorance that not all racing is bread and circuses. "All's well that ends well" - Enzo Ferrari
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