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Post by mikael on Jul 25, 2018 10:52:12 GMT
Mikael, That looks like the wonderful Jean Behra in the original Porsche 718 Spyder, a fantastic combination. One of my favourite photographs from childhood onwards is that of Jean in a 718 at the Targa Florio, and in colour too. Incidentally some time back there was some thoughts on here about drivers who were originally motorcycle racers, and surprisingly there are many, Jean Behra being one. JC Hello JC, yes, you are right! The photo is from Le Mans 1958. The cars are: # 29: Jean Behra and Hans Herrmann in Porsche 718; class winner (2 litre class) and 3rd overall. # 31: Edgar Barth and Paul Frère, also in Porsche 718 - and also class winner! (1.5 litre class) and 4th overall. # 32: Carel Godin de Beaufort and Herbert Linge in Porsche 550A; second in class (1.5 litre class) and 5th overall. I think I have missed the motorcycle racer discussion - I will look for it :-) But motorcycle racing was perhaps the equivalent of karting in the past - that was what you could do with a limited, "self-financed" budget. (Also on national stages, like, say, standard cars in Denmark in the 70's - which I spent so many hours watching as a boy - there were so many ex-speedway and ex-motocross riders!) With best wishes Mikael
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Post by charleselan on Jul 25, 2018 11:22:00 GMT
Mikael, That looks like the wonderful Jean Behra in the original Porsche 718 Spyder, a fantastic combination. One of my favourite photographs from childhood onwards is that of Jean in a 718 at the Targa Florio, and in colour too. Incidentally some time back there was some thoughts on here about drivers who were originally motorcycle racers, and surprisingly there are many, Jean Behra being one. JC Hello JC, yes, you are right! The photo is from Le Mans 1958. The cars are: # 29: Jean Behra and Hans Herrmann in Porsche 718; class winner (2 litre class) and 3rd overall. # 31: Edgar Barth and Paul Frère, also in Porsche 718 - and also class winner! (1.5 litre class) and 4th overall. # 32: Carel Godin de Beaufort and Herbert Linge in Porsche 550A; second in class (1.5 litre class) and 5th overall. I think I have missed the motorcycle racer discussion - I will look for it :-) But motorcycle racing was perhaps the equivalent of karting in the past - that was what you could do with a limited, "self-financed" budget. (Also on national stages, like, say, standard cars in Denmark in the 70's - which I spent so many hours watching as a boy - there were so many ex-speedway and ex-motocross riders!) With best wishes Mikael Mikael, I don't think you have missed the discussion regarding motorcycle racers moving on to cars, it was more a comment or two in another topic that offered potential, and a good one I might add. I would say that you are correct in thinking that it was the economic way of getting into motor sport competition back then. JC
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Post by Carl on Jul 25, 2018 16:29:18 GMT
The Porsche-trip must have been an experience! Model 718 -- the Cayman? or the Boxster? In whatever way, both of them are beautiful cars. And "718" is a very nice model designation too :-) When I was younger, I had a Panasonic digital clock radio with the time displayed on very thin and slowly rotating number placards. Each day had several interludes of Porsche Time, most notably throughout the nine o'clock hour.
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Post by René on Jul 25, 2018 17:06:37 GMT
Regarding Hamilton's abandonment of the pit call, I thought it was a display of brilliant reaction and overview (by Hamilton) - cool and calm, just brilliant. If it should have been punished, the punishment should have been applied to the team, in the form of a fine or a reduction of constructor's points, not to the driver. That's just an opinion; and I understand the problem of inconsistent punishments. That is really a problem. Mikael, I think it was his racing instinct that told him not to go into the pits. But he was already between the white lines of the pitlane so the decision to enter the pit was effectively made. His decision to return back to the track by driving over the grass was his decision and therefore his fault. I still feel he should have been penalized for that one. But that's just my opinion.
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Post by René on Jul 25, 2018 17:18:45 GMT
Hi guys, Here’s a quick live and wet greeting from the Hockenheimring! Cheers! Hi René, The Porsche-trip must have been an experience! Model 718 -- the Cayman? or the Boxster? In whatever way, both of them are beautiful cars. And "718" is a very nice model designation too :-) How do the halo-equipped F1 cars look in the flesh? Are the halos conspicuous? Best wishes M. Mikael, it was the Cayman and yes it was a very nice drive! I have driven the faster GT3 ones but that was on small roads here in the Netherlands. Nice enough to get a feel of the car but no possibilty to put the pedal to the metal. Now we took the Deutsche Autobahn were as you know there's no speed limit on many spots. The Porsche has a fantastic road holding and the steering is very direct, a real pleasure to drive. A 7 speed full automatic gearbox but you can change gears manually with the paddles on the steering wheel. As for the halos, it doesn't look good but in all honesty I didn't really notice it anymore. I have seen it already last year at Spa during free practice. As Kimi would say, "it is what it is".
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Post by René on Jul 25, 2018 17:25:31 GMT
The Porsche-trip must have been an experience! Model 718 -- the Cayman? or the Boxster? In whatever way, both of them are beautiful cars. And "718" is a very nice model designation too :-) When I was younger, I had a Panasonic digital clock radio with the time displayed on very thin and slowly rotating number placards. Each day had several interludes of Porsche Time, most notably throughout the nine o'clock hour. Wonderful Carl and very recognizeable! My wife once bought me a Ferrari projection clock that displays the digital numbers (and a prancing horse) on the ceiling. Every time I see 9:11, 9:17 or 9:35 I think 'Porsche time"! Ferrari times are only visible at night time, 3:12, 5:12, 1:26...
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Post by René on Jul 25, 2018 17:38:20 GMT
Bad 24 hours for the Scuderia with the news about Sergio Marchionne who is in ICU in a coma. Just read the sad news that Sergio Marchionne has passed away. That's a big blow for the Ferrari team and I hope they won't be affected too much by this. RIP Mr. Marchionne.
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Post by charleselan on Jul 25, 2018 17:53:15 GMT
When I was younger, I had a Panasonic digital clock radio with the time displayed on very thin and slowly rotating number placards. Each day had several interludes of Porsche Time, most notably throughout the nine o'clock hour. Wonderful Carl and very recognizeable! My wife once bought me a Ferrari projection clock that displays the digital numbers (and a prancing horse) on the ceiling. Every time I see 9:11, 9:17 or 9:35 I think 'Porsche time"! Ferrari times are only visible at night time, 3:12, 5:12, 1:26... AH! René but what about the 15.12, 1965 flat 12 F1 car .
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Post by chrisb on Jul 25, 2018 20:32:09 GMT
a further comment on that tragic 1994 season, it was Ayrton who pointed out that the Benetton was illegal, still having electronics that had been banned the previous year and stood on the corner in Brazil pointing that out to journalists , but what Michael did to Damon was disgraceful and deserving of a point penalty
Sorry JC I can't see Seb as a Niki drivealike - he just isn't 'logical enough', he is an emotional person, if anyone possibly Phil Hill, whereas Lewis models himself on Ayrton but is more petulant and quite frankly nowhere near his league
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Post by Carl on Jul 25, 2018 21:07:50 GMT
Wonderful Carl and very recognizeable! My wife once bought me a Ferrari projection clock that displays the digital numbers (and a prancing horse) on the ceiling. Every time I see 9:11, 9:17 or 9:35 I think 'Porsche time"! Ferrari times are only visible at night time, 3:12, 5:12, 1:26... AH! René but what about the 15.12, 1965 flat 12 F1 car . There are many times of day and night with special meaning, but we should hesitate to share them with strangers or risk unwanted attention.
Overheard at the train station:
"Lola Time can be 2:10...2:12... 2:20...and 3:10...3:30 and 3:32...not to mention..."
[ short intermission ]
"Hey! What are you doing? Take your hands off me!! What do you mean, 'Who is Lola'? Oh, yeah? You're the ones who need help, dressed all in white like ice cream peddlers! Put that needle down!!"
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Post by René on Jul 25, 2018 22:36:05 GMT
AH! René but what about the 15.12, 1965 flat 12 F1 car . There are many times of day and night with special meaning, but we should hesitate to share them with strangers or risk unwanted attention.
Overheard at the train station:
"Lola Time can be 2:10...2:12... 2:20...and 3:10...3:30 and 3:32...not to mention..." [ short intermission ] "Hey! What are you doing? Take your hands off me!! What do you mean, 'Who is Lola'? Oh, yeah? You're the ones who need help, dressed all in white like ice cream peddlers! Put that needle down!!"
Hahaha, that's hilarious Carl! I guess we're all bonkers here...
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Post by charleselan on Jul 26, 2018 10:38:58 GMT
Sorry JC I can't see Seb as a Niki drivealike - he just isn't 'logical enough', he is an emotional person, if anyone possibly Phil Hill, whereas Lewis models himself on Ayrton but is more petulant and quite frankly nowhere near his league Chris, My comparison is not based upon personality but how they work and drive; both had the ability to draw a team around them and therefore get it focused upon them. Then we look at how they actually race, emotions aside, both liked to get out in front especially when the car was at its best, think Niki 1975/6/7, and Sebastian Red Bull years and Ferrari today. Another interesting comparison is the fact that both have had much older team mates whilst in their prime racing years; Niki with Clay in the Ferrari days, and Sebastian with Webber and Kimi. I wonder how Seb would be in years to come with a young hot shot like Niki had with Prost in the McLaren years. Ah! wait it may come with young Charles Leclerc very soon . I agree that Sebastian displays big emotional outbursts which we never saw from Niki, however on the other hand both are very down to earth guys and even though Niki kept his emotions in check he was known for a very interesting sense of humour, as is Sebastian. JC
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Post by charleselan on Jul 26, 2018 13:39:39 GMT
Just read from a news feed that McLaren have signed James Key as F1 Technical Director and that following Tim Goss' departure Matt Morris has also just resigned.
Hopefully Toro Rosso will still have some good people in place as Key had done some good work for them over the past few years.
I still think the wrong guys are resigning, or should I say there is one in particular who should be departing.
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Post by mikael on Jul 27, 2018 5:14:13 GMT
From "Auto Motor und Sport" The data show the speed of several (all?) cars between Turn 2 and Turn 6 of Hockenheim. Interestingly, the speed of the Ferraris in approaching Turn 3 (the first "valley") is lower that the other's, but then, it's higher throughout the remains of this part of the track. (As I understand it, Vettel's and Raikkonen's data are on top of each other, so they're driving the same way through turn 3, but very differently from - and much faster than - all the others.) ( Source (German): www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/ferrari-ps-geheimnis-elektro-benzin/ )
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Post by René on Jul 27, 2018 8:12:23 GMT
That's a very interesting read Mikael. There is actually nothing new in the article about what Ferrari is doing but it is interesting to read that the FIA has not only found the Ferrari legal but apparently does know what Ferrari has come up with and is amused how all the other teams are speculating without having a clue!
The Ferrari PU is very good, just look at the Haas and the Sauber but these two do not show this extreme power curve like the Ferrari does so the Scuderia has found something that they don't need to share with their customer teams. Others suggest it's an aero trick by reducing drag on the straights but that would be very difficult to hide nowadays.
Certainly one of the most interesting new ideas for a long time, even if we don't know what it is!
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