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Post by René on Apr 10, 2018 15:28:12 GMT
Here's an example of what I think would be ideal (Grand Prix Austria 1973): No commentary at all, just the name of the driver in focus shown by text, and occasionally, a review of the positions. Thank you Mikael, what a treat! I have just spend to last 1 1/2 hours at the office watching the race! And I caught myself cheering for (the sole) Ferrari!
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Post by charleselan on Apr 10, 2018 16:04:49 GMT
That is a great film of the 1973 Austrian GP isn't it. I actually put that one up on the MS Forum a few years back now.
Ronnie in his element, and fantastic to see him and Emmo working as team mates should, no wonder they were such good friends. What a shame this modern day shower can't be the same!
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Post by charleselan on Apr 10, 2018 16:22:50 GMT
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Post by Carl on Apr 10, 2018 21:04:08 GMT
Mikael,
Thank you for that wonderful footage showing how a race broadcast should be!
The assumption by networks nowadays that their viewers are idiots likely will prove a classic self-fulfilling prophecy.
Lord, deliver us from drivel!
-Carl
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Post by charleselan on Apr 10, 2018 21:11:07 GMT
Just to keep everyone up to date with the latest on the F1 front i have just seen the latest picture of the new Haas vehicle. You will notice that it retains the works team Fiat running gear, but not unattractive in appearance no doubt helped by a rather surreal setting .
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Post by Carl on Apr 10, 2018 21:47:06 GMT
Just to keep everyone up to date with the latest on the F1 front i have just seen the latest picture of the new Haas vehicle. You will notice that it retains the works team Fiat running gear, but not unattractive in appearance no doubt helped by a rather surreal setting . John Charles, I assume the bargeboards and winglets are all flush with the barge itself until the computer algorithm decrees extension... -Carl
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Post by charleselan on Apr 10, 2018 21:55:00 GMT
Just to keep everyone up to date with the latest on the F1 front i have just seen the latest picture of the new Haas vehicle. You will notice that it retains the works team Fiat running gear, but not unattractive in appearance no doubt helped by a rather surreal setting . John Charles, I assume the bargeboards and winglets are all flush with the barge itself until the computer algorithm decrees extension... -Carl Carl, All will be revealed tomorrow as I have a Scoop for "Racers Of The Round Table", no other publication has this and it is very revealing in many ways. All I can say tonight is that Ross Brawn has expressed great excitement at the direction the new rules for 2021 are going, and that one of the main players have already begun testing their new vehicle. Watch this space . John Charles
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Post by Carl on Apr 10, 2018 22:08:10 GMT
John Charles, I assume the bargeboards and winglets are all flush with the barge itself until the computer algorithm decrees extension... -Carl Carl, All will be revealed tomorrow as I have a Scoop for "Racers Of The Round Table", no other publication has this and it is very revealing in many ways. All I can say tonight is that Ross Brawn has expressed great excitement at the direction the new rules for 2021 are going, and that one of the main players have already begun testing their new vehicle. Watch this space . John Charles Is Adrian Newey being held against his will on a certain farm somewhere in France? This bodes well...
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Post by charleselan on Apr 10, 2018 22:17:14 GMT
Carl, All will be revealed tomorrow as I have a Scoop for "Racers Of The Round Table", no other publication has this and it is very revealing in many ways. All I can say tonight is that Ross Brawn has expressed great excitement at the direction the new rules for 2021 are going, and that one of the main players have already begun testing their new vehicle. Watch this space . John Charles Is Adrian Newey being held against his will on a certain farm somewhere in France? This bodes well... I can reveal tonight that Ford are seriously considering re-entering F1 and that Red Bull are hotly tipped to be running the works team. However Ford have strictly expressed that Newey and his aerodynamicists are kept away from the project as they do not wish for their generally agreed to be quite attractive vehicle to be ruined in appearance.
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Post by Carl on Apr 11, 2018 3:12:40 GMT
The beer will flow in Dearborn if this is true, but some may doubt since an attractive vehicle would be a serious departure from Ford tradition. The original Mustang GT-350 was the last beauty in their stable. A B-Production GT-350 leads serious competitors into Turn 7 at Riverside. Attachment Deleted Attachment DeletedAttachment Deleted
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Post by chrisb on Apr 11, 2018 5:05:50 GMT
wonderful chaps just wonderful
sorry to hear the rugger isn't a sport you enjoy John, but Bill McLaren will always be my favourite commentator of any sport, although Johnners runs a close second, and the one thing this proud Scot was - he was impartial- and that really struck me when looking at the list of commentators from days past, impartiality, ok perhaps not the football ones, but certainly even some of the co-commentators were non-nationalistic and praised a good moment irrespective of ancestry
and I do feel that some modern commentators are similar, Andrew Cotter who is probably my current favourite is also impartial and informs!! then defers, shows respect, ahh that was the other point wasn't it? people like Raymond Baxter who was my favourite motor racing commentator [and did a brilliant review of hte 1958 season in colour] accepted our intelligence, whereas some of the modern ones insult out intelligence and knowledge
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Post by Carl on Apr 13, 2018 0:18:49 GMT
Regarding commentary: Yes, it would really be ideal with no commentary at all, just like by the German GP 1965 on the Nürburgring, posted in the Jim Clark thread by JC. Here's an example of what I think would be ideal (Grand Prix Austria 1973): No commentary at all, just the name of the driver in focus shown by text, and occasionally, a review of the positions. The Japan national TV, NHK, have for many years (at least since the mid-90s) broadcast their main news bilingually (Japanese and English) via the stereo sound signal. Japanese in sent in the one speaker and English in the other. One can then, via the remote control, turn off the undesired language (or hear both at a time!). The commentary of sport events, like F1, could be sent in the same way, such that it could be turned off. It would be at the expense of the engine sound in stereo - but I would much prefer the engine sound in mono and no commentary. But the commentators would probably consider themselves too important to agree on a system like that ... Mikael, Thanks again Mikael! This is a wonderful film, beautifully done and almost hypnotic. The commentators are not missed as all the necessary information is given and after several laps the entire course becomes clear in the mind. I love the teamwork between the two Lotus drivers and the wonderful sounds of the engines, both the full throttle howl and the pop and grumble when drivers lift. Ronnie Peterson had nine poles that year, more than all others combined, and by all rights should have been champion. -Carl
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Post by chrisb on Apr 13, 2018 5:15:31 GMT
there is a marvellous film of the 1973 season -if you aren't winning you aren't trying' typical Chapman, including that poignant moment when they realise Francois had crashed, but Ronnie was sheer magic, so beautiful to watch, no wonder Chapman was a fan, although i was never sure of Emmo's take on Ronnie other than he felt he would have been WDC in 73 had he been supported by Ronnie, not sure if that is correct or not?
to me the perfect commentator knows when to speak and more importantly when not to, I tend to like radio commentary - generally it is much more amusing and aside from Liverpool FC less biased, although I detest the BBC radio commentary of either Liverpool or Scottish rugger as it isn't biased enough!
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Post by charleselan on Apr 13, 2018 13:05:55 GMT
there is a marvellous film of the 1973 season -if you aren't winning you aren't trying' typical Chapman, including that poignant moment when they realise Francois had crashed, but Ronnie was sheer magic, so beautiful to watch, no wonder Chapman was a fan, although i was never sure of Emmo's take on Ronnie other than he felt he would have been WDC in 73 had he been supported by Ronnie, not sure if that is correct or not? to me the perfect commentator knows when to speak and more importantly when not to, I tend to like radio commentary - generally it is much more amusing and aside from Liverpool FC less biased, although I detest the BBC radio commentary of either Liverpool or Scottish rugger as it isn't biased enough! Chris, The film "If You Aren't Winning, You Aren't Trying" is a superb film, one of the best reviews of a season ever made. It has everything from euphoria to the ultimate sadness. !973 was one of the greatest seasons in F1 Grand Prix racing but also one of the most tragic; strangely the two often went hand in hand, think of 1958 or 1970, let alone 1968! I think that Emerson was only upset after Monza when he felt Chapman should have asked Ronnie to move over; Colin however was very annoyed to find that Emmo had decided to move to McLaren, and felt that he had little chance of winning all of the last GP's, which he did not come close to doing anyway. I agree that radio commentary is of the highest standard, it always has been. Those guys have to paint a picture with their words, and put the listener right where the action is, all an art in itself. Bias unfortunately isn't confined to the UK, you should hear the French on the Tour de France which is positively nauseous, and they do not pull back in calling someone a cheat. John
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Post by Carl on Apr 16, 2018 22:35:16 GMT
The excellent film posted by Mikael of the 1973 Austrian Grand Prix at the original Osterreichring has added meaning to me because I saw these same cars and drivers five weeks later in the Canadian Grand Prix at Mosport, with the notable addition of Jody Scheckter. Does anyone know why Jody wasn't in Austria? This was not long after his disastrous first lap in the British Grand Prix. Had he been sat down? Had he been threatened by John Surtees, both of whose cars were wrecked at Silverstone?
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