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Post by René on Mar 1, 2024 10:14:45 GMT
oops - me not reading the whole thread No worries Chris, we would not have talked about Franchitti if you had! How good was Dario? He made a successful career in the US of course but was he a loss to F1? Dario tested the Jaguar at Silverstone in the summer of 2000.
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Post by chrisb on Mar 3, 2024 13:41:47 GMT
As Dario is a huge Jimmy fan I would have thought he was very good.
I think he showed his metal in several lower formulee and was capable of winning in F1, possibly champion material, fast, smooth he would have been impressive.
with regards to "what if's" had Jochen not had his bad one at Monza would he have dominated the later races as the 72 was getting sorted - ok the red car was as well and the 12 cylinder was a pretty good bit of kit- sadly we will never know
JC once said to me had the tragedy of Hockenheim not happened Jimmy would have been unbeatable in the 72. I'd like to think so
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Post by Carl on Mar 3, 2024 17:12:29 GMT
As Dario is a huge Jimmy fan I would have thought he was very good. I think he showed his metal in several lower formulee and was capable of winning in F1, possibly champion material, fast, smooth he would have been impressive. with regards to "what if's" had Jochen not had his bad one at Monza would he have dominated the later races as the 72 was getting sorted - ok the red car was as well and the 12 cylinder was a pretty good bit of kit- sadly we will never know JC once said to me had the tragedy of Hockenheim not happened Jimmy would have been unbeatable in the 72. I'd like to think so Chris, Correct on all points. Dario Franchitti was an outstanding talent. A driver raised on road racing who learns as quickly as he did how to win on oval tracks is rare. In that regard, he emulated his hero, Jim Clark.
He was talented enough to gently punt other drivers who came too close into the tyre barriers without harm. He did this to Josef Newgarden at the first turn in Long Beach in 2012, but was always so subtle about it that he was never penalized. Other drivers learned not to challenge Dario too closely on the outside.
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Post by chrisb on Mar 11, 2024 11:47:53 GMT
Carl, as if.....
Nice new banner picture reminding us of yet another less than successful idea - the tyres. Another Newey design that was mega successful - now what does that remind me of?
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Post by René on Mar 11, 2024 15:49:21 GMT
Carl, as if..... Nice new banner picture reminding us of yet another less than successful idea - the tyres. Another Newey design that was mega successful - now what does that remind me of? The cars of that time looked quite good but those tires were a mistake indeed. But maybe they would have been too fast with slick tires. I have seen simulations where the F2004 was faster than modern machinery, if on slicks.
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Post by chrisb on Mar 12, 2024 11:15:58 GMT
I guess Rene with the comparably light aerodynamics/ downforce compared with todays' cars that may have been quite interesting.
When I look back at the previous 70 odd years of F1 and my favourite era's are they engine led? car led? personality led? circuit led? or a combination of all 4 questions, which if course they are, I know what I am trying to say but unsure how to say it,
Today's cars are incredible technical beasts with awesome performance, and the speed is incredible as for the cornering and braking, logic defying, yet I find it - irrespective of domination- not very interesting- whereas the 1962-1968 times for me is incredible to watch - the little F1 cars of the 1.5 litre era were brilliant and I still get a thrill when I see a Lotus 25 or 33 and the noise was lovely, as were the 50's - the recent clip you showed also brilliant, the sound, the personalities, the circuits, the beauty and grace of these cars, but not that fast by comparison. Probably car wise my favourite era is probably from 1973 to around the end of the V10 era [although I did miss the choice of V8 and V12's] especially the turbo era which was just brilliant. I am still struggling to say what I mean and may re-visit this theme
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Post by chrisb on Mar 19, 2024 10:49:42 GMT
ah the BRM's last great days, it is some story and I would like to visit Bourne some day,
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Post by chrisb on Mar 23, 2024 8:47:21 GMT
ah the car that should have been the Lotus 81 - actually it was a brilliant simplistic car that worked so well
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Post by René on Mar 23, 2024 13:46:13 GMT
ah the car that should have been the Lotus 81 - actually it was a brilliant simplistic car that worked so well Definitely, Patrick Head clearly had a good understanding of the ground effect principle and his cars always looked neat and effective.
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Post by mikael on Apr 3, 2024 20:29:39 GMT
I've "always" had a weakness for Honda's. For sure their long involvement in motor sport has made a difference ...
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Post by René on Apr 4, 2024 10:26:09 GMT
I've "always" had a weakness for Honda's. I know you do. It's a great brand.
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Post by Carl on Apr 4, 2024 15:58:33 GMT
I've "always" had a weakness for Honda's. For sure their long involvement in motor sport has made a difference ...
The F1 Honda in the museum appears to be the same car as the new banner. Very cool, Mikael!
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Post by mikael on Apr 13, 2024 19:07:21 GMT
Interesting to compare, and to think about the evolution on many fronts, good and bad:
Team Ferrari 1989
Team Ferrari 2023
And the engines:
1989
2023 (actually 2014, but still in this form, basically ...)
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Post by René on Apr 14, 2024 13:06:18 GMT
Gerhard Berger drove his 1989 Ferrari 640 at Goodwood this afternoon. Listen to that V12!
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Post by Carl on Apr 24, 2024 18:19:27 GMT
René, Thanks for the wonderful new banner image of Mark Donohue in a McLaren M19A, driving to a podium finish at Mosport in his very first Grand Prix.
Cheers, Carl
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