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Post by René on Jan 16, 2024 20:01:10 GMT
First presentation of the year! McLaren showed their 2024 livery! Uhhh, really, yes they did. A bit earlier than usual but at least it’s clear this is not the new car.   |
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Post by Carl on Jan 16, 2024 20:59:44 GMT
First presentation of the year! McLaren showed their 2024 livery! Uhhh, really, yes they did. A bit earlier than usual but at least it’s clear this is not the new car. Can Godzilla be heard at the McLaren unveiling?
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Post by René on Jan 16, 2024 21:16:50 GMT
First presentation of the year! McLaren showed their 2024 livery! Uhhh, really, yes they did. A bit earlier than usual but at least it’s clear this is not the new car. Can Godzilla be heard at the McLaren unveiling? I think it is Ron Dennis who finds it all difficult to digest.  |
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Post by robmarsh on Jan 17, 2024 9:19:56 GMT
Can Godzilla be heard at the McLaren unveiling? I think it is Ron Dennis who finds it all difficult to digest. Sir Ron Dennis that is Rene  |
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Post by robmarsh on Jan 17, 2024 9:20:58 GMT
Despite my feelings at the end of last year I am starting to feel stirrings of interest and excitement again.
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Post by René on Jan 17, 2024 10:00:41 GMT
I think it is Ron Dennis who finds it all difficult to digest. Sir Ron Dennis that is Rene Ah yes of course, Sir Ronnie.  |
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Post by René on Jan 17, 2024 10:07:08 GMT
Despite my feelings at the end of last year I am starting to feel stirrings of interest and excitement again. We can’t help ourselves, can we Rob? Despite all the shortcomings of modern F1, if we could only have a season with two, preferably three teams fighting for the win each race, we will all be happy. Certainly if Ferrari is in the mix. |
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Post by Carl on Jan 17, 2024 17:06:18 GMT
Sir Ron Dennis that is Rene Ah yes of course, Sir Ronnie. Wasn't he knighted as Surly Ron? |
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Post by Carl on Jan 17, 2024 17:33:04 GMT
Sir Ron Dennis that is Rene Ah yes of course, Sir Ronnie. He was my second choice. His bellowing is almost as terrifying as Godzilla's and I may have heard it... Years ago, during a discussion on motorsport.com, I blamed him and ecclestone for the tidal wave of corporate influence on Formula One, and while I was still online a hideously aggrieved respondent began to insult my intelligence, character, and nationality ("You're an Amerikan, aren't you?"). On the basis that only one person would be that furious, I assumed it was the one and only surly Ron. I was amused by this display and began to compare his traits with those of Dennis, how his repugnance and sociopathic hostility were very close, but he needed to amplify his rudeness...  Whoever it was signed off without further ado... |
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Post by mikael on Jan 17, 2024 18:00:01 GMT
Years ago, during a discussion on motorsport.com, I blamed him and ecclestone for the tidal wave of corporate influence on Formula One ...
A very naive question, I know; also "what if" questions are rarely very interesting; but imagine that that influence hadn't happened; how would F1 then likely have evolved? Would it have been more similar to MotoGP? (Without having the slightest real knowledge about it, I imagine that nobody gets "real rich" by being involved in MotoGP - including even the star-riders(?) In F1, we know, of course, that nowadays the best designers and engineers are receiving almost surreal salaries.)
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Post by René on Jan 17, 2024 18:56:59 GMT
Ah yes of course, Sir Ronnie. Wasn't he knighted as Surly Ron? Ha ha!  |
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Post by René on Jan 17, 2024 19:03:12 GMT
Years ago, during a discussion on motorsport.com, I blamed him and ecclestone for the tidal wave of corporate influence on Formula One ... A very naive question, I know; also "what if" questions are rarely very interesting; but imagine that that influence hadn't happened; how would F1 then likely have evolved? Would it have been more similar to MotoGP? (Without having the slightest real knowledge about it, I imagine that nobody gets "real rich" by being involved in MotoGP - including even the star-riders(?) In F1, we know, of course, that nowadays the best designers and engineers are receiving almost surreal salaries.)
I wouldn't underestimate MotoGP in that regard. It's not as big as F1 but it ain't small either as a sport. A quick search learns that MotoGP champion Francesco Bagnaia has an annual income of $8.8 million. It's not the 50 million that Verstappen earns but he's no poor chap. And that's only salary. I'm sure his earnings from caps, shirts and other memorabilia will be a number that we can only dream of.. |
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Post by chrisb on Jan 18, 2024 8:42:21 GMT
Years ago, during a discussion on motorsport.com, I blamed him and ecclestone for the tidal wave of corporate influence on Formula One ...
A very naive question, I know; also "what if" questions are rarely very interesting; but imagine that that influence hadn't happened; how would F1 then likely have evolved? Would it have been more similar to MotoGP? (Without having the slightest real knowledge about it, I imagine that nobody gets "real rich" by being involved in MotoGP - including even the star-riders(?) In F1, we know, of course, that nowadays the best designers and engineers are receiving almost surreal salaries.)
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Post by chrisb on Jan 18, 2024 8:50:40 GMT
apologies wrong button,
some of the MotoGP stars really do earn some serious money, mainly Rossi and Marquez, yet I would think they would be the only two who would be comparable to F1 money, Taylor MacKenzie did a blog on you-tube a couple of years ago on Marquez's income and it was a bit eye watering, sadly I don't recollect the then amount but I do know that what with all the personal sponsorship and appearances etc I do seem to think it was around the 25million mark.
engineering wise, the increase in their worth has been dramatic in recent years, I understand Yamaha have 'poached' two Ducati engineers recently for a considerable amount, something KTM are fond of doing as well. It was a question I asked Mat Oxley some time ago regarding salaries of the mechanics in the various series, as there just seems to be so many of them. Sadly I don't recollect an answer.
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Post by robmarsh on Jan 18, 2024 9:14:56 GMT
Years ago, during a discussion on motorsport.com, I blamed him and ecclestone for the tidal wave of corporate influence on Formula One ...
A very naive question, I know; also "what if" questions are rarely very interesting; but imagine that that influence hadn't happened; how would F1 then likely have evolved? Would it have been more similar to MotoGP? (Without having the slightest real knowledge about it, I imagine that nobody gets "real rich" by being involved in MotoGP - including even the star-riders(?) In F1, we know, of course, that nowadays the best designers and engineers are receiving almost surreal salaries.)
I think I remember that exchange Carl, probably earned you a knighthood in the RRT. |
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Whoever it was signed off without further ado...
