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Post by mikael on Dec 27, 2017 13:01:26 GMT
Ref. Jackie Stewart (1966): "Amazing" to see to what extent those goggles were "taped up" - even with a peak on the helmet ... |
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Post by Carl on Dec 28, 2017 4:02:07 GMT
Ref. Jackie Stewart (1966): "Amazing" to see to what extent those goggles were "taped up" - even with a peak on the helmet ... Mikael, Having once used a Bell Super Magnum open face helmet with peaked visor (Jim Clark style) and goggles, I can tell you that a visor doesn't shade your eyes when the sun is low in late afternoon. In those conditions and with taped goggles, it's much easier to lower your head just slightly for the goggles to provide shade. Some drivers prefer complete blockage when being driven by their mother-in-law  Cheers, Carl |
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Post by charleselan on Dec 28, 2017 13:33:33 GMT
Ref. Jackie Stewart (1966): "Amazing" to see to what extent those goggles were "taped up" - even with a peak on the helmet ... Mikael, Having once used a Bell Super Magnum open face helmet with peaked visor (Jim Clark style) and goggles, I can tell you that a visor doesn't shade your eyes when the sun is low in late afternoon. In those conditions and with taped goggles, it's much easier to lower your head just slightly for the goggles to provide shade. Some drivers prefer complete blockage when being driven by their mother-in-law Cheers, Carl Carl, That is a great piece of personal insight, and just shows how ineffective those helmet Peaks/visors were, however many used them and some also continued with them on the full face helmets that followed. After Mikael's excellent bit of observation about the tapping of the goggles I was alerted to the thought that at Spa in particular many drivers appeared to have more tape on the goggles that at other races during this period in history. I wonder if it was due to the time of year; time of day the race was run or maybe even the terrain of the old Spa itself. How can we get in touch with Jackie and ask him if he remembers why? John Charles |
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Post by Carl on Dec 28, 2017 17:17:24 GMT
John Charles,
I would say all of the above, especially the many changes of direction and ups and downs.
Cheers, Carl
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Post by chrisb on Dec 28, 2017 20:47:28 GMT
if memory serves me chaps, it was at places like Clermont Ferrand where the loose stones were kicked up you were more likely to see taped up goggles and was it at Rheims when the drivers put sticking plasters over their faces as well? but Spa i am struggling to remember any stories of stones being kicked up so and looking at the circuit it isn't easy to see
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Post by René on Dec 30, 2017 0:58:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 8:59:12 GMT
if memory serves me chaps, it was at places like Clermont Ferrand where the loose stones were kicked up you were more likely to see taped up goggles and was it at Rheims when the drivers put sticking plasters over their faces as well? but Spa i am struggling to remember any stories of stones being kicked up so and looking at the circuit it isn't easy to see Indeed, it's at Clermont Ferrand in 1972 that Marko lost his eye for a stone thrown from Fittipaldi's Lotus. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 9:00:34 GMT
That Reutemann's picture is from 1977, South American races.
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Post by René on Dec 30, 2017 11:51:56 GMT
That Reutemann's picture is from 1977, South American races. Yes correct, well spotted. This is clearly the T2 with '76 style bodywork but the air intakes are not painted white, a livery only raced in the early '77 races. |
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Post by mikael on Dec 30, 2017 12:45:41 GMT
... the air intakes are not painted white, a livery only raced in the early '77 races. Recall to have read about a prevailing superstition by Ferrari that, the less white paint (on the car) - and the more red - the better it goes. Maybe there's something about it! There probably was never more white on it than in 1976 ... |
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Post by René on Dec 30, 2017 15:43:08 GMT
... the air intakes are not painted white, a livery only raced in the early '77 races. Recall to have read about a prevailing superstition by Ferrari that, the less white paint (on the car) - and the more red - the better it goes. Maybe there's something about it! There probably was never more white on it than in 1976 ... Mikael, I remember there was discussion about this early 2016 when Ferrari showed its new F1 racer to the world. The car had a lot of white around the cockpit which could be seen as a nod to the seventies. Not everyone was enthusiastic about this arguing that the last time they did this was in 1993 and that was a winless year so the white brings bad luck. 2016 turned out to be a disappointing season without wins so there was the proof! But I don't believe there was any superstition at Ferrari regarding the white, only with some fans and I remember Ivan Capelli making some remarks about this. But using white for the wings or around the cockpit has been a returning livery style since 1970. 1971 and 72 saw a lot of white and then again from 1975 till 78. And some of those seasons were very successful so no bad luck linked to white. During the Schumacher years they used a lot of white (the wings and Marlboro sponsor livery) and this season the car had the white sharkfin with Italian flag, very much 1975 style and also not a bad season. All in all I think statistically the cars with a lot of white actually did pretty well. |
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Post by charleselan on Dec 30, 2017 16:13:26 GMT
Well they do not come much redder than the 1990 Ferrari. This is one of my own slides taken at the 1990 British GP featuring Nigel Mansell during race morning warm up, the shot panned from the inside of Copse Corner. I have just hooked up my old Epson Flat bed Scanner with slide and negative attachment to my revitalised PC running Windows 7 which sits alongside my amazing iMac. The scanner is now 18 years old and been out of use for 10 years but now does a reasonable job of scanning slides, run through Photoshop of course. For me it was about time I began digitising my 35mm material for safe keeping, although there is literally years of work ahead of me due to the quantity. This shot like many has never seen the light of day before, but it is a very red Ferrari  .  © John Charles |
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Post by René on Dec 30, 2017 16:32:02 GMT
Well they do not come much redder than the 1990 Ferrari. No they don't, and not much prettier also! Fantastic photo JC! |
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Post by charleselan on Dec 30, 2017 16:39:01 GMT
The issue of why the goggles were taped is an interesting one. A good suggestion Chris, but I do not think it was to do with stones being thrown up, a common occurrence on the tracks in those days as they were mostly run on roads that saw everyday usage.
As Lucio mentions Helmut Marko's career was ended by a stone being thrown up resulting in the loss of one eye. However Helmut was wearing a full face helmet and the stone punctured the visor, the after effects being vastly unproved visor construction.
The goggles worn by Jackie in the portrait shot above were common in the 1960's prior to full face Bell helmets and I believe that the design which featured a rubber construction of the surround were used by the military, particularly in tank regiments. Earlier goggles were those used by pilots and continued to be used by motorcycle racers until full face helmets became the norm. Incidentally Denny Hulme was one of the very few who continued to use that type of goggle, rather than the rubber style. Also it was common for drivers to have two pairs available during a race, one pair around the neck ready to replace a damaged pair.
I think that Chris is referring to the fact that Jim Clark suffered from a stone being thrown up and smashing his goggles in 1966, and for some time later in that season Jim had additional tape around the outside of his goggles which was in actual fact light in colour as opposed to black. I have the feeling that he may have done that to hold a second lens in place after the accident, a sort of goggle double glazing.
I tend to lean towards the tape being there to help reduce glare or the suns rays.
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Post by charleselan on Dec 30, 2017 16:43:25 GMT
Well they do not come much redder than the 1990 Ferrari. No they don't, and not much prettier also! Fantastic photo JC! I am pleased you liked it René, it was indeed a good looking car, putting the current "paper sculptures" to shame. This British GP was quite memorable for me as i spent the first quarter of the race alongside DSJ who was watching from the entrance to the new chicane just after the rise out of the old Abbey Curve. We did not exchange a single word but many nod or grimace to the action that took place in front of us. |
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