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Post by robmarsh on Dec 3, 2017 15:58:39 GMT
Mikael wrote "The car on the front row (No. 31), next to the (small, nimble) Bugatti: a "beast" seems to be a most appropriate description of it ...
The "Silver Arrow" anno 1932!" Nice pic Mikael. I think the Merc should be named Panzerkampfwagen
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Post by charleselan on Dec 3, 2017 16:22:38 GMT
?..even the "short wheel based" Ferrari is more like something used by DHL. You mean UPS in Ferrari's case...   Nice one  . |
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Post by René on Dec 3, 2017 16:44:14 GMT
Mikael wrote "The car on the front row (No. 31), next to the (small, nimble) Bugatti: a "beast" seems to be a most appropriate description of it ... The "Silver Arrow" anno 1932!" Nice pic Mikael. I think the Merc should be named Panzerkampfwagen That is a very intimidating name Rob! I can see it painted on the side of the car in a certain gothic style font!  |
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Post by robmarsh on Dec 4, 2017 8:10:27 GMT
Good one Rene that would look cool. My Mom had a Merc 230 1967 model. The last of the really square shapes. It cost about USD5000 as a new car, it was on a special. It stayed in the family until 1980 when she sold it and brought a Datsun 120y-it only had about 60 000 miles on the clock. It was affectionately known amongst me and my pals as the panzerkampfwagen. The english translation is tank. Oh how I wish I had brought it from her.
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Post by charleselan on Dec 4, 2017 16:23:21 GMT
Good one Rene that would look cool. My Mom had a Merc 230 1967 model. The last of the really square shapes. It cost about USD5000 as a new car, it was on a special. It stayed in the family until 1980 when she sold it and brought a Datsun 120y-it only had about 60 000 miles on the clock. It was affectionately known amongst me and my pals as the panzerkampfwagen. The english translation is tank. Oh how I wish I had brought it from her. You should have done Rob, as those old Mercs are becoming collectors items now. Fantastic cars and built like a Mere should be built unlike the modern versions. My cousin (Scott MotoGP's grand father) had a lovely cream estate dating from the 1970's in the 1980/90's which was a beauty, then traded it for a newer 190E. Which although good wasn't a patch on the older car. Also the spares for the estate were incredibly cheap which was amazing as one would have thought that Merc's would be expensive. |
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Post by René on Dec 5, 2017 0:19:04 GMT
1971 Austrian Grand Prix start. Siffert, Stewart and Regazzoni. Just imagine the sound of the BRM V12, the Cosworth DFV and the Ferrari flat 12...  . Seppi won by the way, but who am I telling? You all know that!   |
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Post by charleselan on Dec 5, 2017 17:48:49 GMT
A beautiful image of a memorable race where Seppi and BRM finally gained the result they had been promising to get for some races. Not one mention of the BRM having an oversize engine in Austria or for Geth's win at Monza, which makes the whole issue of Pedro Rodriguez Spa victory tainted by the claim so distasteful.
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Post by chrisb on Dec 5, 2017 20:59:12 GMT
totally agree Charles, I remember an interview many years later with Tony Rudd who was then involved in what was Lotus basically saying all the talk of an oversized engine was stuff and nonsense, and I seem to think he had proved it so,
the BRM engine department was always interesting to me, after all it built probably the most complex engine for 50 years in its V16 a pretty good 2.5ltr 4 cylinder engine, a superb 1.5 ltr V8 [why didn't they supercharge that I wonder?] the interesting but gorgeous sounding H16 and then the V12, which looked pretty good in 1967 and in 1970 -and then sadly became a bit of a joke
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Post by charleselan on Dec 5, 2017 21:28:28 GMT
Chris,
It was jolly bad form of whichever UK journalist making big issue of the 1970 Spa GP winner being oversize, names come to mind but not worth mentioning here as they weren't/aren't in the same league as DSJ and Pete Lyons. It seems to escape their technical capability that a good V12 will always be better suited to a very fast circuit like Spa or Monza than a V8.
The BRM V12 was still pretty useful even in 1973 with Niki and Clay going really well at times, but unfortunately the Marlboro money gave Louis Stanley delusions of grandeur and he ruined the plot by running too many cars, four or more at times!! After that it was downhill in reality.
JC
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Post by Carl on Dec 6, 2017 4:06:44 GMT
What a wonderful photograph, Rene!
I saw (and heard) the glorious BRM and Matra V-12s and Ferrari flat 12 engines and, of course the wonderful Cosworth DFV and even several highly tuned American V-8s (mostly Chevrolets) earlier that year at the Ontario Motor Speedway. The Questor Grand Prix was marketed as a contest between the best of Europe and America and even though everyone knew in advance which cars were better, it was a great race!
The Ontario Motor Speedway had by far the best road racing course ever within the confines of a big oval. Everyone was impressed by the speed and beauty of the dark blue, brand new Tyrell. When the BRMs turned away from us onto the infield straight in full acceleration, they bellowed with prehistoric menace, the Matras screamed loudest of all and Mark Donohue bravely chased the Grand Prix cars home in Roger Penske's Lola-Chevrolet.
Few were curious about Questor, but we were all grateful they brought Formula One back to Southern California after an eleven year absence.
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Post by René on Dec 7, 2017 15:18:29 GMT
Two Englishmen taming two Italian beasts. 1956 British Grand Prix, Silverstone. Peter Collins in his Lancia-Ferrari D50 and Stirling Moss in a Maserati 250F.  |
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Post by Jamie on Dec 12, 2017 20:42:49 GMT
The talk of BRM above made me think of this car.... I always thought this was a beauty but was probably more seduced by the grandee name than anything else.....the Mangoletsi funded BRM Group C car......a glorious failure of course, but it sounded wonderful and had the orange stripe on the nose. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by Carl on Dec 12, 2017 21:18:36 GMT
Jamie,
The aerodynamics must have been a serious problem judging by the size and complication of the rear wing. In all other aspects, it's a beautifully sleek race car.
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Post by Jamie on Dec 12, 2017 21:39:43 GMT
Jamie, The aerodynamics must have been a serious problem judging by the size and complication of the rear wing. In all other aspects, it's a beautifully sleek race car. Yes it was obviously a product of the regulations as most of the 3.5 ltr Group C cars had a similar wing (check out the XJR14), huge end plates and mounted seemingly too far back..... Interesting fact about this car is that the V12 engine block was the same (only minor tweaks) as the Weslake F1 engine from the early seventies, it sounded brilliant when it was running....which wasn’t very often 😀 |
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Post by Jamie on Dec 12, 2017 22:21:30 GMT
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. Seppi won by the way, but who am I telling? You all know that! 
