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Post by chrisb on Nov 30, 2017 22:07:45 GMT
is Brian Redman the most underrated driver in recent times? I have his excellent book and it is a good read, one amazing person
Re Francios, he was a great driver and quick, but I still don't think he had what it took to be that selfish or consistent to be WDC, and it would have had to have been 1974 - this is based on, as you say JC Tyrell's lack of direction post JYS - a gradual decline but up against a resurgent Ferrari, mr consistency in Emmo and the Loti I just don't see how he could have won, and in 1975 the opposition was too strong, in saying that unless he was thinking of moving teams?
I had previously heard Jackie say that about Francois being quicker at the Ring but recently in an interview he denied saying it, so am not sure
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Post by Carl on Dec 1, 2017 4:58:20 GMT
Chris,
In my opinion, Redman was considerably better than several World Champions.
At the start of the F5000 race at Riverside Raceway in early 1973. Redman led the field coming out of Turn 2 on the first lap by at least 7 or 8 car lengths...after two corners! The only equivalent margin I ever saw was later that year at the Can-Am when Mark Donohue did the same driving the Porsche 917-30 with 1200-1400 bhp.
In contrast, most F5000 engines were within 15-20 horsepower of each other. Brian Redman was awesome.
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Post by robmarsh on Dec 1, 2017 7:21:18 GMT
I will also try with Terry. I also read Brian Redman's book a couple of months ago and really enjoyed it. He was an excellent driver but I don't think he enjoyed Formula 1 enough to go all the way. Enzo Ferrari's callousness towards his drivers seemed to put him off in the formative years.
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Post by chrisb on Dec 1, 2017 8:42:07 GMT
totally agree Carl and Rob, although I do wonder if his accident at Spa and John Cooper's reaction also assisted that thought?
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Post by Carl on Dec 1, 2017 19:46:22 GMT
Rob and Chris,
I agree completely with both of you. Redman was disillusioned by the extremes in Formula One. His experiences with Ferrari and Cooper led him to doubt his survival and to value his wife and children more than any F1 podium.
As a consequence, we in America were blessed with his marvelous talent in several top-level racing series he regarded as less political and more relaxed than Formula One. At Indianapolis this year, Fernando Alonso noticed the same relaxed atmosphere.
Cheers, Carl
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Post by René on Dec 2, 2017 0:23:33 GMT
Brian seemed reasonably at ease in this F1 cockpit.   |
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Post by Carl on Dec 2, 2017 3:57:00 GMT
Rene,
Totally relaxed, Rene... Every race fan wishes they could be so comfortable in so fast a race car. Clearly Monaco, probably 1972 when Redman substituted for Team McLaren and was very impressive. He seems bemused by the conversation above his roll bar, possibly a dispute about that year's proper color for sundresses.
Cheers, Carl
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Post by René on Dec 2, 2017 11:52:28 GMT
Yes, I also had the idea his expression had something to do with the conversation between the two ladies.  Correct by the way, Monaco 1972. |
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Post by mikael on Dec 2, 2017 14:35:54 GMT
The car on the front row (No. 31), next to the (small, nimble) Bugatti: a "beast" seems to be a most appropriate description of it ... The "Silver Arrow" anno 1932!
Manfred von Brauchitsch in Mercedes-Benz; photo from the AVUS circuit, Berlin, 1932. |
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Post by René on Dec 2, 2017 16:23:56 GMT
That is a fantastic photo Mikael! Indeed the elegant beauty and the beast!   |
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Post by charleselan on Dec 2, 2017 16:55:03 GMT
The car on the front row (No. 31), next to the (small, nimble) Bugatti: a "beast" seems to be a most appropriate description of it ... The "Silver Arrow" anno 1932!
Manfred von Brauchitsch in Mercedes-Benz; photo from the AVUS circuit, Berlin, 1932. Could it be that this MB has an even longer wheelbase than the current model, pre-war Vito no less. |
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Post by René on Dec 2, 2017 17:50:38 GMT
Could it be that this MB has an even longer wheelbase than the current model, pre-war Vito no less. Yes is it huge and long! Longer than the current model? Naaaahhh....  |
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Post by René on Dec 3, 2017 12:13:37 GMT
A beautiful picture of the start of the 1972 Monza 1000km race. Three glorious 312PB's with Ickx and Peterson on the front row and Redman just behind.  |
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Post by charleselan on Dec 3, 2017 15:10:56 GMT
René,
Of course you are absolutely correct in that nothing could ever be longer than the current MB F1 vehicle; any longer and the flaming thing would have to be articulated! Seriously how can any of these current contraptions be classified as "cars", even the "short wheel based" Ferrari is more like something used by DHL.
Lovely photo of the Ferrari 312PB's in the wet at Monza 1972, just a sublime sports prototype.
JC
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Post by René on Dec 3, 2017 15:31:33 GMT
?..even the "short wheel based" Ferrari is more like something used by DHL. You mean UPS in Ferrari's case...  |
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