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Post by Carl on Nov 29, 2017 4:52:53 GMT
As if he wasn't cool enough..........Francois with Bridgette Bardot........lucky bugger  Yes, but apparently he seduced la magnifique Bardot by pretending to be Graham Hill... |
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Post by robmarsh on Nov 29, 2017 6:57:21 GMT
Some great comments here-they have added to my pool of knowledge. Lucio with regard to your comments about Cevert and 1974 I would like to add a couple of observations as to why I think he may have been champion that year. First "The car fitted Stewart like a glove" Stewart said on occasion, after the Nurburgring race, that Francois was faster than him. Therefore I think the car suited Francois very well too. That brings me to my second observation. "'74 was crowded at the top" That is exactly why I think he would have won the WDC that year. There was no clear top driver who took over Stewart's mantle. Most of the top drivers were in new cars and teams. Ickx was past his best and Ronnie lost time with the blind alley Lotus 76. At Ferrari, Regga and Lauda took points off each other and the car was unreliable when it mattered, or driver error crept in. Rather like 2017. Fittipaldi was in a McLaren for the first time thus finding his feet. Cevert on the other hand was in a team that he had been with for the previous three and a half seasons, in a car he knew very well and was fast in and that also was pretty reliable. I think he would have squeezed in ahead of Fitti. Rene, Jody was a bit wild at first but when he went to Tyrrell that got suppressed out of him. I think he lost some of his speed as a result. I always thought 10 wins was too little for a man of his innate skill.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 7:48:39 GMT
Rob,
I think yours are all fair points, they all might well contributed to Francois coming on top in 1974. It might have been indeed the year where an established driver in a world champion car would have won, while the others were about to catch up. We will never know, unfortunately for Francois.
I have always had the impression that Tyrrell was a one-man operation, that it worked just with Stewart. It looks like it went downhill after he retired, first very slowly, but in hindsight the trend was there from the onset. And while Scheckter did not have Cevert's experience, as he emerged two or three years later than Francois, I also always had the impression that Jody was the better driver - marginally quicker in outright speed and then, thanks to Ken, smoothed his "rough edges", as Rene' rightly points out, to finally win his (in my view) long overdue title. |
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Post by robmarsh on Nov 29, 2017 8:35:58 GMT
Lucio you make a good point with Tyrrell and Stewart and you are right that after Stewart it went downhill. A pity really as I always enjoyed the team but he never really had a top three driver after Stewart left. Jody was just too inexperienced at that stage.
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Post by René on Nov 29, 2017 10:11:44 GMT
I have always been a big fan of Jody. Next to Gilles, he was my favourite driver in my 'early' F1 years. Great driver and an interesting person. Maybe he should have won more but still he had a fantastic career. He drove some of the most iconic cars of the seventies and won a World Championship with Ferrari! Most drivers can only dream of that!  |
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Post by charleselan on Nov 29, 2017 10:34:13 GMT
Great respect for Jody; he had a great career racing and what a life of achievement afterwards. He wasn't happy at Tyrrell, something he divulged in recent times, wrong person in the wrong team unfortunately. However at Wolf it gelled really well and then to Ferrari, icing on the cake.
With regard to Tyrrell after JYS; he was a very hard act to follow wasn't he. However i firmly believe that Francois Cevert would have taken up the mantle, he had the natural speed and was truly charismatic in personality, what better a person to lead the team. Anyone who doubts the guys ultimate speed should just look at his performances outside of F1. Just one example would be his lead driver role in the Matra sports car team, and that was a mighty good team at the time. It was Francois who took the Ferrari team apart in 1973 with his blistering pace in the Matra.
Also as Rob so rightly states he was outstanding at the Nurburgring in 1973 where he shadowed JYS all race; the great man actually said that Francois was faster than him that day, mind you I have a sneaking feeling JYS had a bit in reserve also.
Sadly we will never know; one of the many "what if's" that this sport of ours has thrown up over the decades.
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Post by Carl on Nov 29, 2017 18:41:56 GMT
Rene, Jody was a bit wild at first but when he went to Tyrrell that got suppressed out of him. I think he lost some of his speed as a result. I always thought 10 wins was too little for a man of his innate skill. Rob, Totally agree that Jody lost some of his inspired aggression after joining Tyrell. I remember how amazing he was in Formula 5000 at Riverside early in 1973, on pole and finishing 2nd overall to Brian Redman. All eyes were on the Trojan T-101 when he first appeared. Cheers, Carl Attachment Deleted |
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Post by Jamie on Nov 29, 2017 22:38:40 GMT
How's this for a beauty.....the unraced Alfa Romeo SE 048SP Group C car from 1990. Thought this was apt with the Alfa to F1 announcement today. With my twin passions for Alfa and Group C this is pretty close to motoring nirvana for me. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by robmarsh on Nov 30, 2017 8:05:47 GMT
Whew Jamie this is gorgeous. I so wish it had raced. Would still love to see Alfa in WEC
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Post by charleselan on Nov 30, 2017 15:12:26 GMT
Rene, Jody was a bit wild at first but when he went to Tyrrell that got suppressed out of him. I think he lost some of his speed as a result. I always thought 10 wins was too little for a man of his innate skill. Rob, Totally agree that Jody lost some of his inspired aggression after joining Tyrell. I remember how amazing he was in Formula 5000 at Riverside early in 1973, on pole and finishing 2nd overall to Brian Redman. All eyes were on the Trojan T-101 when he first appeared. Cheers, Carl Great photo Carl. That Trojan wasn't the best F5000 vehicle but Jody worked wonders with it and later changed to a Lola which was a much better chassis. i remember chatting with our good friend Terry Jacob about the Trojan a while back. It was derived from the McLaren F2 car of similar vintage and came about through Trojan manufacturing the McLaren F2 cars. Shame we cannot get hold of Terry as he would be a great asset to our community  . Attached is a good photo of Tony Brise in his Teddy Yip Lola T332 at Long Beach, the car looked quite well used and dare I say scruffy compared with the Vels and Hall cars, but went well. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by René on Nov 30, 2017 18:16:29 GMT
How's this for a beauty.....the unraced Alfa Romeo SE 048SP Group C car from 1990. Thought this was apt with the Alfa to F1 announcement today. With my twin passions for Alfa and Group C this is pretty close to motoring nirvana for me. Wow that Alfa is beautiful!!! |
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Post by René on Nov 30, 2017 18:19:44 GMT
Rene, Jody was a bit wild at first but when he went to Tyrrell that got suppressed out of him. I think he lost some of his speed as a result. I always thought 10 wins was too little for a man of his innate skill. Rob, Totally agree that Jody lost some of his inspired aggression after joining Tyrell. I remember how amazing he was in Formula 5000 at Riverside early in 1973, on pole and finishing 2nd overall to Brian Redman. All eyes were on the Trojan T-101 when he first appeared. Cheers, Carl Fantastic picture Carl. Never seen it before. |
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Post by René on Nov 30, 2017 18:23:34 GMT
Great photo Carl. That Trojan wasn't the best F5000 vehicle but Jody worked wonders with it and later changed to a Lola which was a much better chassis. i remember chatting with our good friend Terry Jacob about the Trojan a while back. It was derived from the McLaren F2 car of similar vintage and came about through Trojan manufacturing the McLaren F2 cars. Shame we cannot get hold of Terry as he would be a great asset to our community . Attached is a good photo of Tony Brise in his Teddy Yip Lola T332 at Long Beach, the car looked quite well used and dare I say scruffy compared with the Vels and Hall cars, but went well. Those F5000 cars looked so cool. Why on earth did no manufacturer ever made a slot car of these?  I gave it another try to contact Terry. Let's wait and see. |
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Post by Carl on Nov 30, 2017 19:53:22 GMT
Rob, Totally agree that Jody lost some of his inspired aggression after joining Tyrell. I remember how amazing he was in Formula 5000 at Riverside early in 1973, on pole and finishing 2nd overall to Brian Redman. All eyes were on the Trojan T-101 when he first appeared. Cheers, Carl Great photo Carl. That Trojan wasn't the best F5000 vehicle but Jody worked wonders with it and later changed to a Lola which was a much better chassis. i remember chatting with our good friend Terry Jacob about the Trojan a while back. It was derived from the McLaren F2 car of similar vintage and came about through Trojan manufacturing the McLaren F2 cars. Shame we cannot get hold of Terry as he would be a great asset to our community . Attached is a good photo of Tony Brise in his Teddy Yip Lola T332 at Long Beach, the car looked quite well used and dare I say scruffy compared with the Vels and Hall cars, but went well. Totally agree on all points, John Charles. I recall thinking the close connection between McLaren and Trojan was pretty cool. I'd forgotten the Winston sponsorship of Jody's F5000, but immediately recognized the Tony Brise T332, a car and number etched in my memory. Sam Winston's lackadaisical involvement made Scheckter's success even more impressive. I agree about Terry. There is space at the table and he'd be ideal... Cheers, Carl |
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Post by charleselan on Nov 30, 2017 21:58:36 GMT
Great photo Carl. That Trojan wasn't the best F5000 vehicle but Jody worked wonders with it and later changed to a Lola which was a much better chassis. i remember chatting with our good friend Terry Jacob about the Trojan a while back. It was derived from the McLaren F2 car of similar vintage and came about through Trojan manufacturing the McLaren F2 cars. Shame we cannot get hold of Terry as he would be a great asset to our community . Attached is a good photo of Tony Brise in his Teddy Yip Lola T332 at Long Beach, the car looked quite well used and dare I say scruffy compared with the Vels and Hall cars, but went well. Those F5000 cars looked so cool. Why on earth did no manufacturer ever made a slot car of these? I gave it another try to contact Terry. Let's wait and see. Maybe someone should give George Turner's arm a tweak and get him to produce a resin kit of the Lola T332 as there are many different liveries to choose from! I am very surprised that no one has made a 1/43rd scale model either, although I do have a white metal kit of Brian Redman's Jim Hall Lola T332 which comes from the early years of the hobby and is pretty basic. I did begin working on it many years ago having cleaned up he body and base coated it, however the ancillary parts are poor and need replacing with current parts, the decals are also not too sharp so would require something better. I really do hope you are successful with Terry, for as Carl says he would be very welcome, a quality guy. JC |
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