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Post by charleselan on Dec 16, 2020 19:15:21 GMT
From a competitive standpoint what Honda are doing makes absolutely no sense what so ever. They have survived ridicule in the early days that was painful to behold and now have finally become a competitive force who can take it to Mercedes Benz.
Some of Honda's decision making over the years in both four and two wheeled competition defies logic. I am no fan of the personnel at RB but deep down they must be mighty p*ssed off with Honda, if they aren't they should be. It would be great if someone like Cosworth took over the project, but it looks as though RB will themselves as long as a development freeze is brought into play.
We live in extremely stupid times in all aspects of our lives, oh! to go back to much simpler times.
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Post by chrisb on Dec 17, 2020 9:20:51 GMT
Lovely story Rob, great memories, yes the other events we stayed up for were the Rugby and the Cricket, although the conversations did tend to slip into the ridiculous as the night wore on, wonder why...
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Post by chrisb on Dec 17, 2020 9:28:49 GMT
Honda's decision seems to be a bit perplexing, I do hope for some form of competitiveness Honda and Cosworth do come up with some sort of plan - They were so poor initially and who can forget Alonso's words of 'encouragement' and how much that cost McLaren, but to walk away now? i don't know their budget for F1 but -
they have learned a bit in motorbike racing though and are making their GP bike more 'friendly' whereas in WSB and BSB they really have increased their input substantially
couldn't agree more John, oh for the more simple things in life
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Post by charleselan on Dec 17, 2020 15:07:43 GMT
Some interesting new developments today in the world of F1. Jost Capito has been announced as the new CEO of Williams, that is a very interesting move as Capito is a very capable manager with a long track record of success in motor sport. I am still unsure what happened with his very brief move to McLaren, but no doubt internal politics came into play.
Also Bob Fernley has been appointed as the FIA's Head of Single Seater Commission replacing Stefano Domenicalli who takes up the role of Chairman & CEO of F1.
Tonto Wolff has jumped on the bandwagon of the euphoria surrounding Alonso's demo in the 2005 Renault F1 car last weekend, even let it slip that the size of the car was right (in a round about way). However he wasn't having any of the fabulous sound of the V10 engine, that was old and yesterdays news. But Tonto, people loved it; what you want is fans going to a Deep Purple concert with the amps turned down...............
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Post by mikael on Dec 17, 2020 17:06:02 GMT
Tonto Wolff has jumped on the bandwagon of the euphoria surrounding Alonso's demo in the 2005 Renault F1 car last weekend, even let it slip that the size of the car was right (in a round about way). However he wasn't having any of the fabulous sound of the V10 engine, that was old and yesterdays news. But Tonto, people loved it; what you want is fans going to a Deep Purple concert with the amps turned down...............
Yes, the present turbo engines continue to sound pretty lame next to one of the glorious V-10 engines.
But as to the sound, at least the so-called "Motor Generator Unit–Heat" (MGU-H) - the electric motor/generator that is connected directly to the axle of the turbo-charger - will go (disappear) in 2022. I believe that this thing muffles the exhaust a great deal, so from a "good sound" point-of-view, it will certainly be a good thing to get rid of it. The maximum RPM will be increased as well, from 15,000 to 18,000 rpm.
There will still, without a doubt, be a huge gap up the sound of 15 years back, but compared to how the engines sound now, they will thus sound a lot better in 2022, I'm sure. (Well, at least, hope springs eternal :-) )
Start of the Canadian GP, 2005
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Post by mikael on Dec 17, 2020 17:47:19 GMT
A P.S. to my previous post: I wonder what they (the authors of the regulations) have in mind to do about the "turbo lag" that will be re-introduced once the MGU-H motor/generator unit is removed. I imagine the time lag will be significant, with such a large, single turbo charger(*). On the other hand, the racing may become more interesting when the drivers will have to find their way around this time lag, a bit like they had to in the 1980's.
(*) They could allow two small ones, instead of one large, as used in the 80's, but it seems that this isn't in the plans ...
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Post by charleselan on Dec 18, 2020 17:54:35 GMT
A P.S. to my previous post: I wonder what they (the authors of the regulations) have in mind to do about the "turbo lag" that will be re-introduced once the MGU-H motor/generator unit is removed. I imagine the time lag will be significant, with such a large, single turbo charger(*). On the other hand, the racing may become more interesting when the drivers will have to find their way around this time lag, a bit like they had to in the 1980's.
(*) They could allow two small ones, instead of one large, as used in the 80's, but it seems that this isn't in the plans ...
Maybe they will have to adopt the Ayrton Senna technique, he kept the turbo spinning by blipping the throttle which seems to have unique to him at the time. Does this mean that with the turbo lag there will be a sudden surge of power when it kicks in, that should be interesting how the drivers handle that as well. |
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Post by charleselan on Dec 18, 2020 18:02:20 GMT
So Checo Perez has been confirmed for RB in 2021 and Alexander Albon has been given the job of developing the 2022 car on the simulator.
Good to hear that Perez has landed the job, he deserves it after a fine season and did not warrant getting kicked out of the Pink Team when they retained whinging Stroll Jnr; but money and daddy talks.
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Post by Carl on Dec 19, 2020 0:51:27 GMT
A P.S. to my previous post: I wonder what they (the authors of the regulations) have in mind to do about the "turbo lag" that will be re-introduced once the MGU-H motor/generator unit is removed. I imagine the time lag will be significant, with such a large, single turbo charger(*). On the other hand, the racing may become more interesting when the drivers will have to find their way around this time lag, a bit like they had to in the 1980's.
(*) They could allow two small ones, instead of one large, as used in the 80's, but it seems that this isn't in the plans ...
Maybe they will have to adopt the Ayrton Senna technique, he kept the turbo spinning by blipping the throttle which seems to have unique to him at the time. Does this mean that with the turbo lag there will be a sudden surge of power when it kicks in, that should be interesting how the drivers handle that as well. I remember Mark Donohue and George Follmer having to predict the sudden massive surge of power from the Porsche 917-10's 1100 horsepower, not something one would want to guess. They would count 1, and before getting to 2 would be very busy!
I'll never forget the incredible acceleration of that car after exiting Turn 8 onto the 1.1 mile back straight at Riverside Raceway in 1972. It seemed like an illusion to those of us in the nearby Turn 6 grandstand as the white missiles accelerated to 219 mph, the fastest top speed ever at Riverside. The next year, after Mark Donohue had casually predicted a top speed of 250 mph for the 917-30, track officials decided the short course, which joined the back straight at Turn 7A, would be safer. The cluster of red cones in the photograph are at Turn 7A.
The photo of the pace lap shows the very tight decreasing radius Turn 8 in the background and far right.
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Post by chrisb on Dec 19, 2020 9:07:30 GMT
great posts chaps,
Mikael, that is interesting and any improvement on sound would be welcome, as would turbo lag, or basically anything that rewards the greater skills of the driver.
Carl, those Porsche were just out of the world, given their size that is just incredible,
John, Checo is an interesting driver, his management of tyres is exceptional, I don't know Pirelli's plans for next year but I am wondering if Perez will end up with more points than his team-mate at the end, I do feel for Alex, sometimes - especially nowadays I wonder if we are expecting too much too soon,
There were a number of comments about Ayrton blipping his throttle and Irvine amongst others being highly critical but then Irvine has an axe to bear there, the other one who did this was, as Mikael pointed out many posts ago, was Jimmy in the Lotus 33 at the Ring who did the same, although I seem to remember Jimmy was more about the understeering of the Lotus,
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Post by mikael on Dec 19, 2020 10:58:02 GMT
Does this mean that with the turbo lag there will be a sudden surge of power when it kicks in, that should be interesting how the drivers handle that as well. I think the power does not come like when switch is turned on, but with a rather steep gradient, nonetheless. Yes, hopefully it will be a challenge for the drivers - and hopefully it will not be fully circumvented via electronic control.
I seem to recall that in the "blown diffuser" years, the Red Bull's, in particular, constantly kept the (engine) revs pretty high, in order to maintain the hot exhaust flow. We might see something similar in 2022, as a means to keep the turbo-charger turbine running "fast".
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Thinking again about the whole idea of the hybrid concept: I think a non-turbocharged, non-hybrid engine format also would be of technological/research value (in other words, it would have "road relevance") if a maximum fuel flow rate limit is imposed (as it is now). What would be learned about lean fuel combustion technology, etc., would not be less than what is learned now. It might be a good (better!) compromise between the two anti-poles "pure racing" and "being green".
Keeping up the exhaust flow in turns during the "blown diffuser" era ...
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Post by René on Dec 19, 2020 16:56:14 GMT
Does this mean that with the turbo lag there will be a sudden surge of power when it kicks in, that should be interesting how the drivers handle that as well. I think the power does not come like when switch is turned on, but with a rather steep gradient, nonetheless. Yes, hopefully it will be a challenge for the drivers - and hopefully it will not be fully circumvented via electronic control.
I seem to recall that in the "blown diffuser" years, the Red Bull's, in particular, constantly kept the (engine) revs pretty high, in order to maintain the hot exhaust flow. We might see something similar in 2022, as a means to keep the turbo-charger turbine running "fast".
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Thinking again about the whole idea of the hybrid concept: I think a non-turbocharged, non-hybrid engine format also would be of technological/research value (in other words, it would have "road relevance") if a maximum fuel flow rate limit is imposed (as it is now). What would be learned about lean fuel combustion technology, etc., would not be less than what is learned now. It might be a good (better!) compromise between the two anti-poles "pure racing" and "being green".
Keeping up the exhaust flow in turns during the "blown diffuser" era ...
In the early turbo years the throttle was almost like an on/off switch.
Gilles Villeneuve gave a masterclass on throttle control and managing a giant turbo lag at the 1981 Monaco Grand Prix. Watching this footage, it still gives me goosebumps..
Watch the last few laps: (unfotunately the video cannot be embedded but worthwhile watching)
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Post by René on Dec 19, 2020 17:14:27 GMT
Carlos Sainz enjoyed his first visit to Maranello last friday. First time in red! Forza Carlos!  |
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Post by René on Dec 19, 2020 17:17:03 GMT
What a compliment from Seb to Charles!
"To Charles, you are the most talented driver I came across in 15 years of F1. Don't waste it. But be sure whatever you do to be happy and smile. Thanks for everything."
S. Vettel 2020.
A truly beautiful compliment, and one would expect nothing less from Sebastian these days. Some weeks ago he commented that in his opinion Charles would be the leading driver over the next ten years. I some how don't think Charles will change, his pleasant and honest personality is set, he won't waste his talent or become Mr Grumpy. My big hope is that he will form a relationship with Carlos like Ronnie and Emerson, and Jim & Graham had all those years ago. In other words great pals off track but fierce and respectful opponents on track. This is what will make Ferrari great again. Your last words were inspirational so I have my caps ready for next racing season!   |
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Post by Carl on Dec 19, 2020 17:22:37 GMT
A truly beautiful compliment, and one would expect nothing less from Sebastian these days. Some weeks ago he commented that in his opinion Charles would be the leading driver over the next ten years. I some how don't think Charles will change, his pleasant and honest personality is set, he won't waste his talent or become Mr Grumpy. My big hope is that he will form a relationship with Carlos like Ronnie and Emerson, and Jim & Graham had all those years ago. In other words great pals off track but fierce and respectful opponents on track. This is what will make Ferrari great again. Your last words were inspirational so I have my caps ready for next racing season! Only the best caps have the brim already perfectly shaped to shade the eyes when the sun is to the side.
I want one of each!
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