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Post by Carl on Dec 14, 2020 2:39:24 GMT
Well that race turned out to be a damp squib.
Rob, I tape most races for viewing later and sometimes risk the element of surprise with a reckless peek beforehand at round table comments. When I read yours I expected a wet race.  A wet race would have been better!
Hamilton's heedless ignorance of simple fairness toward George Russell was amazing. Seeing the world through prima donna lenses, he is insensible about kindness.
Cheers, Carl
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Post by robmarsh on Dec 14, 2020 10:26:04 GMT
Well that race turned out to be a damp squib.
Rob, I tape most races for viewing later and sometimes risk the element of surprise with a reckless peek beforehand at round table comments. When I read yours I expected a wet race. A wet race would have been better!
Hamilton's heedless ignorance of simple fairness toward George Russell was amazing. Seeing the world through prima donna lenses, he is insensible about kindness.
Cheers, Carl
Yep, I wonder why he raced given that he felt so rough. Maybe GR's performance gave him a fright and he had to prove his worth once again. I also wonder why he made the comment, "the car wasn't returned in the same state I left it". Seemed a bit censorious to me and a bit of a put down, sort of thing my old man said to me after I returned his Merc to him with the brakes smoking and the clutch stinking after driving to the grocer for a baguette! Some of these guys having amazing fragile egos. I also wonder if the relationship between Tonto and LH is as strong as they publicly announce, seems they make too much of a public issue about it. I note how the we race as one and win and lose as a team starts to unravel as soon as the status quo is challenged. As usual I base my standard for acceptable behaviour in the way JYS and Jim Clark behaved in their dealings with their teams, team mates and team principals. It seems that with the advent of mega salaries the human side of racing has gone out with the old engine oil. |
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Post by René on Dec 14, 2020 11:58:51 GMT
Well that race turned out to be a damp squib. Rob, I tape most races for viewing later and sometimes risk the element of surprise with a reckless peek beforehand at round table comments. When I read yours I expected a wet race. A wet race would have been better! Hamilton's heedless ignorance of simple fairness toward George Russell was amazing. Seeing the world through prima donna lenses, he is insensible about kindness.
Cheers, Carl
Carl, you are the only person I know who still tapes races. Old school, cool.  A wet weather race in Abu Dhabi, now that would have been exceptional! Maybe 'good old' Bernie's idea of sprinklers wasn't so bad after all.  As for Hamilton competing here, I was happy for him he recovered so fast but knowing now that he wasn't a 100% fit I do wonder why he raced. Handing over his car one more time to George would have graced him and I bet Max would not have run away with victory as easy as he did! But maybe Bottas was against that idea...  |
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Post by chrisb on Dec 14, 2020 15:17:42 GMT
Rene, that was beautiful, really wonderful tribute, now that is what respect really means, also love the story of the drivers having a chat and a laugh as our older heroes once did, that makes an awful lot of things much more human and interesting, so rewarding to see things like this and Rob, wonderfully put, they and Fangio are the benchmark that all need to aspire to, great to see and so sad to see the back of some drivers, wish them well in their futures
I tried to watch the race but 10 seconds in was all I could manage of the commentary, and seemed to have fallen asleep soon afterwards, it is such a shame that money buys you the slot you want irrespective of what the world wants, but I guess if you have that amount of money you don't need to care what anyone else thinks or feels,
That wasn't very classy Lewis, maybe you could have swopped with George and driven the Williams, that would have been interesting, I suspect there are more than one younger driver who could do very well, so if the new cars do meet some of the expectations we could see a return to some real racing,
Rene, could we suggest that? I think the Abu Dhabi organisers might get behind that idea, or maybe they reconsider what a GP circuit could look like
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Post by charleselan on Dec 14, 2020 17:36:17 GMT
I don't suppose we will know the real reason Lewis Hamilton decided to race this past weekend, especially knowing himself that he was less than fit. I certainly would not trust any reason given by Tonto, that is if he were to issue any. As I mentioned prior to the event it would have taken a big man to stand aside, fit or not, to let George Russell have another shot and more importantly right the wrong of the previous weekend. One does not know how George would have faired had he been allowed another go, but on his previous weekends work I have a sneaking feeling he would have given Verstappen a very hard time, turned down EMGU or not. It really riles me that we have two outstanding talents whose abilities are currently wasted by the equipment at their disposal and they are Charles Leclerc & George Russell. Hopefully Ferrari will be able to give Charles a far better car in 2021, some say the new engine is very good, whilst the gossip of others have hinted that it is a disaster, time will tell. Would be fantastic if Andy Cowell ended up at Maranello, and of course Adrian Newey at Aston Martin  . This apparent camaraderie of the new generation is heartening to see, I could not stand the toxicity of the relationships over the past few decades; it was totally unnecessary but illustrated some very fragile egos. I viewed the "Singing Sebastian" film last night on YT and it was superb, a great deal of emotion and affection all around there. Some of signing off films and interviews were fantastic and as some of you guys have already mentioned, a few of those drivers do not deserve to be kicked out of F1. Kevin was pretty upbeat about leaving saying that the past two years have been hard driving an uncompetitive car and that he wants to get back to winning as that is his driving force. Although the car was uncompetitive his relationship with the team was very strong and he appreciated his years in F1. Red Bull are being pretty unprofessional in my view by keeping two of their drivers on tenterhooks about their own futures. Surely the team bosses know what they are going to do for 2021, but with Horner one has no idea as he likes to play the big man, but when it comes to the crunch he isn't so big... Multi 21 Sebastian  . Neither Alexander or Daniil know what the future holds for them and that is totally unacceptable; the same is true for Checo as well. There is no excuse in holding F1 races in counties whose vile regimes have no regard for human rights etc and that has applied throughout history. However in F1 money was always the deciding factor, but the owners like Ecclestone in the past and the current ones now, tried to make out that the sport wasn't political which is the biggest insult to anyones credibility there is. |
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Post by Carl on Dec 14, 2020 18:10:46 GMT
Rob, I tape most races for viewing later and sometimes risk the element of surprise with a reckless peek beforehand at round table comments. When I read yours I expected a wet race. A wet race would have been better! Hamilton's heedless ignorance of simple fairness toward George Russell was amazing. Seeing the world through prima donna lenses, he is insensible about kindness.
Cheers, Carl
Carl, you are the only person I know who still tapes races. Old school, cool. A wet weather race in Abu Dhabi, now that would have been exceptional! Maybe 'good old' Bernie's idea of sprinklers wasn't so bad after all. As for Hamilton competing here, I was happy for him he recovered so fast but knowing now that he wasn't a 100% fit I do wonder why he raced. Handing over his car one more time to George would have graced him and I bet Max would not have run away with victory as easy as he did! But maybe Bottas was against that idea... René, I use a DVR, so perhaps "record" was the better word and eventually, after some coffee and consideration of the annual rainfall in the Emirates, changed my expectation. 
In the distant past, I normally was awake in the predawn darkness to stoke the fire and chase the wolves from the front door, so it was convenient to settle down with a cup of coffee and watch the European races live, more pleasant than today on television with the the informed excellence of Bob Varsha, David Hobbs and Peter Windsor. These days, we have central heating so I can sleep later, but I do miss the wolves calling to the full moon...
Cheers, Carl
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Post by charleselan on Dec 15, 2020 11:54:25 GMT
Carl, you are the only person I know who still tapes races. Old school, cool. A wet weather race in Abu Dhabi, now that would have been exceptional! Maybe 'good old' Bernie's idea of sprinklers wasn't so bad after all. As for Hamilton competing here, I was happy for him he recovered so fast but knowing now that he wasn't a 100% fit I do wonder why he raced. Handing over his car one more time to George would have graced him and I bet Max would not have run away with victory as easy as he did! But maybe Bottas was against that idea... René, I use a DVR, so perhaps "record" was the better word and eventually, after some coffee and consideration of the annual rainfall in the Emirates, changed my expectation.
In the distant past, I normally was awake in the predawn darkness to stoke the fire and chase the wolves from the front door, so it was convenient to settle down with a cup of coffee and watch the European races live, more pleasant than today on television with the the informed excellence of Bob Varsha, David Hobbs and Peter Windsor. These days, we have central heating so I can sleep later, but I do miss the wolves calling to the full moon...
Cheers, Carl
Ah! Carl, The days of either getting up at some unseemly hour or not going to bed at all to watch a race run in a different time zone, back in the day it was usually the Japanese GP for us in the UK and the anticipation that accompanied the experience; long gone sadly. Also informed excellence from the presentation team that is something I also miss nowadays, or the voice of the lead commentator that inspired interest rather than the ever presence of hand hovering over the mute button! That log cabin must be bliss even without the soundtrack of the calling of the nearby wolves  . John |
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Post by René on Dec 15, 2020 16:49:35 GMT
Yes, getting up really early or staying awake late certainly added to the experience. Japan and later Australia at 4 in the night. And when you looked outside, maybe you could see another house or apartment where the light was still on. An enthusiast for sure. |
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Post by René on Dec 15, 2020 16:54:51 GMT
What a compliment from Seb to Charles!
"To Charles, you are the most talented driver I came across in 15 years of F1. Don't waste it. But be sure whatever you do to be happy and smile. Thanks for everything."
S. Vettel 2020.
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Post by Carl on Dec 15, 2020 17:12:50 GMT
High praise from a tenured world champion who's seen many other greats, and very gracious!
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Post by charleselan on Dec 15, 2020 17:31:30 GMT
What a compliment from Seb to Charles!
"To Charles, you are the most talented driver I came across in 15 years of F1. Don't waste it. But be sure whatever you do to be happy and smile. Thanks for everything."
S. Vettel 2020.
A truly beautiful compliment, and one would expect nothing less from Sebastian these days. Some weeks ago he commented that in his opinion Charles would be the leading driver over the next ten years. I some how don't think Charles will change, his pleasant and honest personality is set, he won't waste his talent or become Mr Grumpy. My big hope is that he will form a relationship with Carlos like Ronnie and Emerson, and Jim & Graham had all those years ago. In other words great pals off track but fierce and respectful opponents on track. This is what will make Ferrari great again. |
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Post by René on Dec 15, 2020 20:53:23 GMT
What a compliment from Seb to Charles!
"To Charles, you are the most talented driver I came across in 15 years of F1. Don't waste it. But be sure whatever you do to be happy and smile. Thanks for everything."
S. Vettel 2020.
A truly beautiful compliment, and one would expect nothing less from Sebastian these days. Some weeks ago he commented that in his opinion Charles would be the leading driver over the next ten years. I some how don't think Charles will change, his pleasant and honest personality is set, he won't waste his talent or become Mr Grumpy. My big hope is that he will form a relationship with Carlos like Ronnie and Emerson, and Jim & Graham had all those years ago. In other words great pals off track but fierce and respectful opponents on track. This is what will make Ferrari great again. "This is what will make Ferrari great again." ... a perfect slogan for on a red cap! But yeah, let's hope Charles and Carlos make a good team.  |
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Post by chrisb on Dec 16, 2020 7:41:11 GMT
oh they really were exciting days, I remember especially the 1976 Japanese GP on ITV - if memory serves, as one of the first times I got up that early to watch a GP, it was brilliant, so many GP's either watched from the night before or from the morning after, great fun
that is a beautiful comment from Seb, and an accurate one, hopefully the red cars are a bit better next year so we can see that talent fully flourish,
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Post by robmarsh on Dec 16, 2020 9:35:01 GMT
oh they really were exciting days, I remember especially the 1976 Japanese GP on ITV - if memory serves, as one of the first times I got up that early to watch a GP, it was brilliant, so many GP's either watched from the night before or from the morning after, great fun that is a beautiful comment from Seb, and an accurate one, hopefully the red cars are a bit better next year so we can see that talent fully flourish, Used to be the same with rugby Chris when South Africa played NZ. A couple of mates and I used to get up at 0200 on a Saturday morning, drive about 15 miles to where there was a commune called the ANZACS to watch the game on the various screens scattered around the rather large pub. When we arrived there, the floor was usually littered with various bodies whose owners had not quite achieved the challenge of staying up for the game whilst quaffing prodigious amounts of beer. My mates would start with the beers, me with cokes being teetotal, and we would watch the game which we invariably lost. Then as the sun was peeping over the horizon, we would then return home, after a suitable debrief via an all night diner for fried eggs and bacon and a few games of pinball. I would get home around 0800, say a mumbled hello to my wife, and stumble back to bed for a couple more hours of kip. The pain of losing was somewhat lessened by the nap. Good days until TV schedules and franchises spoilt the whole thing. |
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Post by mikael on Dec 16, 2020 15:03:28 GMT
A very good season for Honda Racing Corporation (HRC), with three victories, two for Red Bull and one for Alpha Tauri, and several podium positions as well. Telling also that they were the only "non-Mercedes" manufacturer able to win.
And now, 2021 will be their last season in F1 as engine manufacturer/provider. Just when they finally have come good and are on level (almost) with Mercedes - and can start to reap the fruits of their large investment.
It seems that this approach, of "dropping the ball" when everything finally is lined up for success, almost is becoming a trademark of HRC's F1 Department. Like in 2008, where everything was lined up for success, with a superior car for the 2009-season, and they then pulled the plug in the 11th hour. It's not easy to comprehend the strategy and long-term planning of Honda's management ...
Sōichirō Honda in 1964 (at age 57 or 58).
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A wet race would have been better!
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