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Post by Carl on Feb 19, 2020 16:38:01 GMT
René and Carl , you're being way too generous; but thank you kindly. Some really interesting thoughts, René, and excellent illustrations. I cannot really get rid of the thought, though, that more freedom with respect to the layout of the engine would have made things a good deal more interesting, because here it might not be possible to say/determine what is optimal. If the V-6 layout hadn't been specified, Ferrari might have chosen that layout anyway. But I imagine that other manufacturers, particularly Honda, might have chosen something different; maybe a V-4 or even a "V-5" layout (a 3+2 layout, as used also by VW at some time). And like in MotoGP, others might have chosen an in-line 4 layout. This might even be the best solution for F1, as it would allow for the compact "packing" that apparently is so desirable. If this had been so there could perhaps even have been a "trade-off competition": better aerodynamic performance vs better engine performance ... A great pity indeed that F1's engine layout had to be specified to be V-6 only. Mikael, With this analysis, you have proven us right! 
Cheers, Carl
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Post by René on Feb 20, 2020 20:05:25 GMT
Testing times are difficult to read so far. Mercedes started the test with some fast times yesterday but today they 'only' did the laps without performance runs. Ferrari has been running in a 'low profile' mode from the start and has not shown their cards yet. That also goes for Red Bull, doing a lot of laps but nothing super fast. But Max seemed happy at least. It's nice to see the Alfa and the pink Merc clone on top of the lists but they are not realistically going to be there when the top three teams start pushing. Or are they? And what about Mercedes's DAS system (dual axis steering)? Intruiging and seemingly very clever... when it's legal.  |
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Post by chrisb on Feb 24, 2020 8:05:17 GMT
I was wondering about the steering Rene, it sounds ingenious and interesting, but the signs which can always be misinterpreted so much blagging goes on, sometimes it is more interesting the mind games people will try and play for an advantage, the signs are not good for anything but a Merc domination fest - still we will see,
interesting Rene, how designs are so similar at different points in history, I guess where I struggle a bit and perhaps one of you can help explain this a bit clearer, if all bar the fizzy drinks car [s?] are designed by cadcam surely they will all be the same? a simplistic question with more technical undertones,
Indycars have also started to test, looking good and sounding great, they are using the updated screen protection which is taking a bit to get used to until I look at the F1 designed toilet seats, I know which I prefer,
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Post by René on Feb 24, 2020 11:40:45 GMT
I was wondering about the steering Rene, it sounds ingenious and interesting, but the signs which can always be misinterpreted so much blagging goes on, sometimes it is more interesting the mind games people will try and play for an advantage, the signs are not good for anything but a Merc domination fest - still we will see, interesting Rene, how designs are so similar at different points in history, I guess where I struggle a bit and perhaps one of you can help explain this a bit clearer, if all bar the fizzy drinks car [s?] are designed by cadcam surely they will all be the same? a simplistic question with more technical undertones, Indycars have also started to test, looking good and sounding great, they are using the updated screen protection which is taking a bit to get used to until I look at the F1 designed toilet seats, I know which I prefer, Chris, it's ingenious for sure although I've read that a company called Prodrive already developed a similar system some 12 years ago for road cars. But still, making it work on an F1 car and all the effort that goes into such a project says something about Merc's commitment, engineering skill and hunger. As for the designs, there have always been trends. If someone comes up with an idea that works, others will swiftly follow. Even in these days with ever more strict rules there's still some room for new ideas. Take the 'letterbox' sidepod inlets that Ferrari introduced in 2017. Most teams copied this idea once they understood how it works. I remember Adrian Newey's initial comment to the 2017 Ferrari was that he didn't understand the concept! Of course he worked it out not long after. And talking about Newey, yes it's true that he still does his drawing by hand but that doesn't mean there are no computers in the Red Bull design department! I am sure Adrian's creativity just works best using a pencil. He'll probably feel less restricted. But all of his ideas are fed into the computers and CFD calculations. But you still have to feed the computer, it doesn't design the car by itself, that's why we still see some differences. The new Indycars with aeroscreen look more like LMP1's without wheel covers! It doesn't look bad but it's a shame you can hardly see the driver anymore. That is actually better with the halo...  |
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Post by chrisb on Feb 24, 2020 21:38:17 GMT
cheers Rene, I was at Race Retro last weekend, which in some respect was much better than last yera but in others less so, and there were a number of F1 cars from yesteryear including the FW07 - which as you say was basically a better version of the 79, i.e. following the trend
Prodrive are an amazing outfit ran by Dave Richards, who was a champion navigator to the great Ari in a wonderful Escort, for most Prodrive will be remembered for Colin and the Subaru in the 90's. but the stuff they are into now is amazing
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Post by René on Feb 25, 2020 11:04:14 GMT
cheers Rene, I was at Race Retro last weekend, which in some respect was much better than last yera but in others less so, and there were a number of F1 cars from yesteryear including the FW07 - which as you say was basically a better version of the 79, i.e. following the trend Prodrive are an amazing outfit ran by Dave Richards, who was a champion navigator to the great Ari in a wonderful Escort, for most Prodrive will be remembered for Colin and the Subaru in the 90's. but the stuff they are into now is amazing Yes, and remeber the Tyrrell 009? That was an almost exact replica of the Lotus 79.... but not, like the Williams a better version.  |
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Post by René on Feb 25, 2020 17:07:13 GMT
Corona virus is becoming an ever increasing threat to the Formula 1 calendar
The Chinese F1 race has already been cancelled. Now there are reports the races in Bahrein and Vietnam could be under threat.
In Maranello the Ferrari musua are closed and factory tours are cancelled. It all seemed so far away but that's no longer the case. I guess MotoGP will face the same problems now.
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Post by robmarsh on Feb 25, 2020 17:35:04 GMT
The corona virus could wreak havoc but I don't really regard China and Bahrein as much of a loss really. Not sure about Vietnam being a loss either.
This week should be interesting from a testing times point of view as they should be more representative. Not sure if everybody will show their hands completely though.
Chris I had a lot of respect for Dave Richards and the way he ran things. I thought there was a chance he was going to get into F1 some years back, would have been interesting
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Post by René on Feb 25, 2020 19:02:15 GMT
The corona virus could wreak havoc but I don't really regard China and Bahrein as much of a loss really. Not sure about Vietnam being a loss either. This week should be interesting from a testing times point of view as they should be more representative. Not sure if everybody will show their hands completely though. Chris I had a lot of respect for Dave Richards and the way he ran things. I thought there was a chance he was going to get into F1 some years back, would have been interesting Rob, of course. From a track/race point of view they are all rubbish, although Vietnam could be interesting. But even if the track is good there will probably only be a handful of expats in the grandstands... oh bring back Imola... But the fact is the virus is spreading so fast it could also hit Zandvoort or other races. Well, let's hope not. Testing this week should indeed be interesting. Please Ferrari/Red Bull, not another year of Mercedes dominance! |
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Post by chrisb on Feb 26, 2020 9:45:56 GMT
the virus is a real scare now, what is happening in the world may curtail a great many sporting events, starting with the rugby, not sure I care that much about the football other than the 'pool, but motor sport wise, China and Bahrain's cancellation may have further consequences and I am not sure about Vietnam going ahead or not, it is as if the world isn't taking this pandemic seriously enough and we may have a repeat of a hundred years ago with the so-called Spanish flu.
Mat Oxley - ever the voice of reason- shame about some of the responses to him but, what he was saying was that no-one could afford to sand-bag in testing nowadays it was too tight, too time limited to play games, so the times are recording are accurate, obviously what we don't know is what their programmes are entailing, but I am guessing Mark and Mat will be able to assess this. Ferrari need to win this year for any general interest to remain,
but, the year starts this weekend - WSB in Australia - see separate
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Post by Carl on Feb 26, 2020 17:29:58 GMT
Chris, Here's an example of easy posting. It took less than a minute but provides endless pleasure. 
Cheers, Carl
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Post by René on Feb 26, 2020 20:28:27 GMT
Chris, Here's an example of easy posting. It took less than a minute but provides endless pleasure. Cheers, Carl
Easy as that. Brilliant Carl!  Chris, in all seriousness, just use the 'add attachment' button (right top) and select a photo you have stored on your computer. The only restriction when you use this method is file size. Maximum size is 1MB if I'm correct. But there are online tools that let you resize an image, for instance www.simpleimageresizer.comThere's also the possibilty to embed pictures so you see them full size but that's a bit more complicated so I would suggest to use the attachment button. |
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Post by Carl on Feb 27, 2020 1:37:47 GMT
Chris, Here's an example of easy posting. It took less than a minute but provides endless pleasure. Cheers, Carl
Easy as that. Brilliant Carl! Chris, in all seriousness, just use the 'add attachment' button (right top) and select a photo you have stored on your computer. The only restriction when you use this method is file size. Maximum size is 1MB if I'm correct. But there are online tools that let you resize an image, for instance www.simpleimageresizer.comThere's also the possibilty to embed pictures so you see them full size but that's a bit more complicated so I would suggest to use the attachment button. Rene,
There is method to my madness. Using the 'add attachment' button is what I suggested to our good friend in an earlier message and I posted the photograph of the Hawaiian Tropic ladies as encouragement. Embedding should be reserved for the beauty just right of center.
-Carl
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Post by chrisb on Feb 28, 2020 7:36:12 GMT
I think I met her Carl, thanks chaps, but don't hold your breaths, will try though, Jamie did send me a system [cheers mate] but it all just seems so complicated,
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Post by Carl on Feb 28, 2020 16:33:45 GMT
I think I met her Carl, thanks chaps, but don't hold your breaths, will try though, Jamie did send me a system [cheers mate] but it all just seems so complicated, Chris, It's complicated for me as well unless I start with photos in a file on my computer. So I depend on having a digital camera, from which it's relatively easy to send a file to my computer, from which it's simple to post. How others upload is a mystery of the occult.
Cheers, Carl
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