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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 9:48:36 GMT
I would say, from memory, you could on average have 3 million viewers for a GP in Italy, going up to twice as much, even more for selected races (Monaco, Monza), when Ferrari was in contention for the championship.
Pay-per-view, SKY Italia would steal your hands if they could get half a million subscribers. I doubt it would be above 300k.
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Post by charleselan on Oct 11, 2018 10:20:49 GMT
One doesn't need a degree in science to know that "Pay To View" is s short term financial gain for the sport in question, but long term loss, that is unless it is football! I want it now greed is symptomatic of society today, no foresight or thought for the future or generations to come. Also the fools that predominate in F1 cannot understand why they are no longer able to attract blue chip title sponsors, other than putting out "fake news" that it is recession related, or some other spurious reasoning. No you idiots, the reason you are not getting sponsorship of old is the fact that you have a diminishing audience, and the platform for showing your products is greatly reduced. Rocket science, not! 2019 will see no more "Free to View" live coverage, and I welcome that as I will be able to concentrate on other things. That is unless the season become compelling, we live in hope, and then it will be using the internet to view live thanks to some helpful sites .
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Post by charleselan on Oct 11, 2018 10:51:15 GMT
Agreed chaps....I’d have dropped the grid walk years ago, I bet Martin hates it deep down. And on the subject of Honda, did anyone see MPH’s comment that the new Honda was turned down for Suzuka to ensure reliability and that it will be unshackled at the next race? 15bhp down on Merc / Ferrari was quoted after dyno tests. If that’s true, it makes Zak Brown’s decision even more regrettable..... Jamie, I have read on several news sites that the FIA instructed Honda to turn down the engine, however the reasoning behind that instruction has not been given. Maybe more "fake news" but who knows. Chubby Browns decision to ditch Honda was a cataclysmic one, and if he was influenced to do so by Teflonso then they are beyond being idiots. Also one can note that Teflonso has done a Cameron, and run off after creating the problem. John
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Post by robmarsh on Oct 11, 2018 14:23:24 GMT
I was wondering what has happened to Zak Brown. I can't recall Sky interviewing him in the last three races or so whereas before he was almost their go to man after Tonto Wolfe. I don't miss him by the way as he seemed to be full of hyperbolic s**t.
As you say Charles F1 needs to realise that the days of big sponsorship from non automotive industry companies is gone. There is no need. F1 used to represent glamour and excitement but the modern generations after the baby boomers don't have the same values as we did. They may like the event of a Grand Prix but are hardly likely to be interested in which aftershave or hi fi company sponsors a team. The things they are interested in are made by companies that don't need to be associated with F1 to sell their products.
The game has changed and I don't think that car manufacturers need to be associated with F1 to sell their products. As all the manufacturers are moving towards building suvs maybe the Dakar is more relevant. I think F1 needs to work in a way that outside of the motor industry and that it can stand on its own feet (of feats) rather like any other sport like cricket, athletics etc. There is no need for the teams to be so rich that mere mortals have the sense they are excluded. I think the days of really rich people being respected are starting to slip away.
Just thinking as I write.
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Post by charleselan on Oct 11, 2018 14:41:16 GMT
From what I can deduce Chubby Brown has his fingers in more pies than Jamie Oliver (Celeb Chef in Uk for those who aren't familiar), no wonder he is becoming the King Alfred of the F1 circus.
I was musing to myself this morning, I often do must be an age thing, and began thinking about the demise of Williams and McLaren. Sadly both have committed the same error, or at least their Principles did, in thinking that they (Frank and Ron) were bigger than the sum of their organisations and the staff within. Both refused to accept that their success in later years was down to the genius of one man, and when he quite rightly asked for a bigger stake in the pie he was refused with the result of him moving on to pastures new.
There are no new Adrian Newey's around now, and with the way things are technology wise it is doubtful there will be anytime soon. If there were can anyone conceive someone wishing to move to no hoper teams like Williams or McLaren now.
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Post by Carl on Oct 11, 2018 22:42:05 GMT
From what I can deduce Chubby Brown has his fingers in more pies than Jamie Oliver (Celeb Chef in Uk for those who aren't familiar), no wonder he is becoming the King Alfred of the F1 circus. I was musing to myself this morning, I often do must be an age thing, and began thinking about the demise of Williams and McLaren. Sadly both have committed the same error, or at least their Principles did, in thinking that they (Frank and Ron) were bigger than the sum of their organisations and the staff within. Both refused to accept that their success in later years was down to the genius of one man, and when he quite rightly asked for a bigger stake in the pie he was refused with the result of him moving on to pastures new. There are no new Adrian Newey's around now, and with the way things are technology wise it is doubtful there will be anytime soon. If there were can anyone conceive someone wishing to move to no hoper teams like Williams or McLaren now. John Charles,
Many of the pies must be high caloric with abundant whipped cream!
I also spend time musing. It does relate to age since younger people have far less upon which to muse. Comedians often focus more on amusing while the extraordinarily successful can boldly risk confusing themselves, as Frank and Ron may have done.
More to my one sensible point, you haven't been too harsh. A jerk is a jerk
Cheers, Carl
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 1:51:57 GMT
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Post by chrisb on Oct 12, 2018 5:58:21 GMT
well Lucio, we agree, I do honestly think Seb is a good guy and a great driver but Nando would have been WDC
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Post by chrisb on Oct 12, 2018 6:04:54 GMT
Sadly we have seen all too often that when the overall Lord of all they prevail is no longer in charge the team demises, exception being Ferrari and to a certain point McLaren but then it is now doing it for the 4th time, and no one seems capable of rescuing it this time, Teddy Mayer did a good job after Bruces's tragedy, Ron did a good job after Teddy got stuck, no one doing a good job after Ron got unstuck and now, who will rescue McLaren now Fanny Brown is stuck, the Bahraini's?
Incidentally, Williams are advertising for newly qualified engineers to work with them, which is interesting
musing is great, something I have always done and probably explains why I am not wealthy
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 6:23:21 GMT
well Lucio, we agree, I do honestly think Seb is a good guy and a great driver but Nando would have been WDC Chris, obviously it was tongue in cheek. LOL Who knows, Nando couldn't handle a rookie Hamilton in 2007 and couldn't get past Petrov in Abu Dhabi in 2010. The jury is out. I am agnostic. As I said in a previous post, I would like to give Vettel the benefit of a further season before focusing further the picture. And losing to this Hamilton may not be dishonourable, after all.
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Post by robmarsh on Oct 12, 2018 6:27:10 GMT
I love musing too. As a youngster my favourite musing time was during maths and physics. Probably why I didn't become an engineer. Looking back, the things that interest me the most are mechanical!!!
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Post by charleselan on Oct 12, 2018 9:47:59 GMT
1965 F1, technically, was a really good year, the 32 valve Coventry Climax, the flat 12 Ferrari and the transverse V12 of Honda plus the V8's of BRM and Ferrari all going in a good way, was there a 16 cylinder Coventry Climax planned? and in a way, although I rejoice at the return of power, with Honda finally coming good, [shame McLaren didn't take note] and so many tyre manufacturers involved, we could have done with another year, but then I did love 66 and 67
Chris, An extra year or two of the 1.5 litre formula would have been fantastic as the technical side was moving at a pace. The cars were exquisite in my opinion, but the cry for more power took hold, however very few were ready for the new formula. Coventry Climax did indeed build a Flat 16 but I am not certain whether it ever ran in anger. Lotus built the type 39 for that motor and then fitted it with a Climax four cylinder engine for the Tasman Series. The Flat 16 would have been something, and the sound would have been astonishing, such a shame it never ran in a car. John
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Post by charleselan on Oct 12, 2018 9:55:33 GMT
From what I can deduce Chubby Brown has his fingers in more pies than Jamie Oliver (Celeb Chef in Uk for those who aren't familiar), no wonder he is becoming the King Alfred of the F1 circus. I was musing to myself this morning, I often do must be an age thing, and began thinking about the demise of Williams and McLaren. Sadly both have committed the same error, or at least their Principles did, in thinking that they (Frank and Ron) were bigger than the sum of their organisations and the staff within. Both refused to accept that their success in later years was down to the genius of one man, and when he quite rightly asked for a bigger stake in the pie he was refused with the result of him moving on to pastures new. There are no new Adrian Newey's around now, and with the way things are technology wise it is doubtful there will be anytime soon. If there were can anyone conceive someone wishing to move to no hoper teams like Williams or McLaren now. John Charles,
Many of the pies must be high caloric with abundant whipped cream!
I also spend time musing. It does relate to age since younger people have far less upon which to muse. Comedians often focus more on amusing while the extraordinarily successful can boldly risk confusing themselves, as Frank and Ron may have done.
More to my one sensible point, you haven't been too harsh. A jerk is a jerk
Cheers, Carl
Fabulous Carl . Not sure about Chubbies diet however, it looks more like a propensity for PUKKA pies to me; he obviously hasn't heard of the term "lean and mean", something the team could benefit from as well. We continue to muse, and it is a delightful distraction. John Charles
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Post by robmarsh on Oct 12, 2018 10:12:00 GMT
George Russell joining Williams and Lando Norris joining Mclaren foer 2019 is akin to David Brabham joining Brabham in 1990. I am sure Lando Norris should be starring in westerns with that name or else driving for an American team. Just musing.
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Post by charleselan on Oct 12, 2018 10:21:15 GMT
Great update Rob,
Really pleased that George Russell has got a drive fixed up in F1, even if it is with a now below par Williams organisation. I wonder how much input MB had in this appointment, but what of Esteban Ocon? At least Williams have a proper talent in the team now, so no excuses for them.
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