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Post by mikael on Sept 29, 2018 11:50:14 GMT
The cars are becoming more and more complicated as the season progresses, aren't they? The Mercedes looks like ... a garden rake (?)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 12:34:47 GMT
I think it's good to see young drivers getting a second chance, like Kvyat, even if that is due to the RB pipeline becoming dry a bit. He's quick, hopefully he will feel less the pressure he had to endure (from Max' ascendancy) and show what he's capable of.
Must say I didn't understand why they took on again Hartley after had been discarded years ago. Very good driver in endurance, but perhaps lacking the out-and-out pace required for F1. Hopefully the likes of Wehrlein, Stoff etc will have their second chance too, while Ocon should be on the grid no question, shame it seems he will sit out next season.
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Post by René on Sept 30, 2018 13:20:18 GMT
That was awkward. The podium with Lewis asking Valtteri to step on the top step reminded me of Austria 2002. Only Vettel was smiling on the podium! But the Championship seems over and done now with the Merc clearly faster than the Ferrari.
Best drives of the day for Max and Charles, no question. Max was 12th after lap 1 and in the top 6 by lap 7. It showed the gap between the top teams and the midfield but also how good Max is compared to Daniel. Top drive and happy birthday Max! Charles was fantastic also. These two will fight for championships in the near future for sure.
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Post by Jamie on Sept 30, 2018 13:23:14 GMT
Hmmmm, poor Valtteri, he looked crushed at the end. That was so blatant that it’s left me with a quite uneasy feeling all round.......Hamilton looked very awkward about it as well, not a great day for F1.
Bad day for Vettel, got mugged by Lewis after a small mistake and I expect the Merc ‘switcharoo’ left him spitting blood. Be interesting to see if he gets all moral about that 😌
Verstappen was great today, fantastic pace on the softs.
Hamilton’s championship for sure now, Ferrari definitely on the back foot.
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Post by Carl on Sept 30, 2018 16:22:29 GMT
"I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a podium step today" -Wimpy
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Post by robmarsh on Sept 30, 2018 17:47:50 GMT
Not much to say really except for Max and Charles, who were brilliant. If it wasn't for the results page I wouldn't have noticed Kimi. Ferrari have definitely lost a lot since Marchionne died, very disappointing indeed. Like Austria in 2002 the end result left an unpleasant taste in the mouth. I thought Lewis did well in the interviews and feel very sorry for Valteri. He is a thoroughly decent bloke and shouldn't be treated that way. He is a human not a piece of machinery or a robot.
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Post by Carl on Sept 30, 2018 22:28:34 GMT
"We're all racers at heart" -Toto Wolff
"Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?" -Chico Marx
Everyone, even the designated beneficiary of Mercedes' strategy, proclaimed discomfort but not one had the guts to declare that what happened may be in the contract and may even be standard procedure, but it's not racing.
Two young drivers once again outdid their teammates and the highlight was the superb drive of Max Verstappen, who deserved to win. Maybe if Dietrich Mateschitz bought a fleet of S650 Cabriolets, he could work a deal with Mercedes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 1:20:51 GMT
Since his win at Monte Carlo, Ricciardo has disappeared. A second place, otherwise flat pulse. Another on the way to be an also ran, unless Renault makes miracles.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 1:32:11 GMT
Another thing. Kimi.
With few cars available on the grid and quite a few younger guys deserving an opportunity, his move to Sauber looks like a waste of time for everybody, except Sauber.
Like Haas with Grosjean, and Force India with Perez, Sauber think/hope they have found a driver who will bring points on the table, a sort of self-declared mediocrity - mostly imposed by the current set-up of the sport, no doubt - still a waste by the look of it.
Kimi has to win a GP in the next two years on the Sauber to redeem my appreciation and prove me wrong. I would be the first to rejoice. But it won't be happening.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 6:11:24 GMT
Pino Allievi on the Gazzetta duly reminds that, since Collins was stopped to favour Fangio in 1956, it was ever thus and that the last time we saw something similar, it wasn't Zeltweg 2002, but Hockenheim 2018:
Giorgio Terruzzi (author of the only biography of Achille Varzi) on the Corriere writes:
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Post by robmarsh on Oct 1, 2018 6:34:48 GMT
Well done Carlos Reuteman in 1981 for refusing to move over.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 6:50:41 GMT
That was my second thought yesterday, as I thought the same any time the Massas or Barrichellos or this world duly gave way.
The first, all through the race, was that the driver that led most surely must be in the viewfinder of the two top teams. Or maybe only Mercedes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 6:54:58 GMT
For completeness, I report Turrini's embarassed (hypocritical, really) comment:
And so on and so forth, poor Leo, always whiter than white (in his own mind, when Ferrari is not involved).
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Post by René on Oct 1, 2018 9:22:39 GMT
I am not against team orders per se. What I don’t understand is how and why teams make it so difficult for themselves.“Valtteri, Toto here (…), we will talk later…” I mean, if it’s in Valtteri’s contract that he is the de facto number two driver, then why talk later? Just move over and shut up. But given all the confusion and Valtteri asking what to do at the end, that would suggest it is not in his contract.
So when team management decides they want to play everything on one card at a certain point in the championship, then make sure to talk about that before the race. Just tell them that they want Lewis to finish in front of Valtteri, regardless of their position and even if Valtteri is leading. Tell them upfront. They knew Valtteri would be strong here. Now it is all so awkward and bad publicity for the sport and the brand. I really don’t get that. And this goes not only for Mercedes yesterday, Ferrari is just as bad at this.
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Post by robmarsh on Oct 1, 2018 10:00:08 GMT
I really don't think those seven points will make a difference at the end of the year and if Mercedes really think they do at this point in the game then that doesn't say much for their confidence as a team. I can understand team orders when a team is running one/two and there is no point in putting both cars in jeopardy, or when one driver is clearly faster than another due to a different strategy or being better and a win that may not be possible, may be achieved. I don't think any of these applied yesterday and Valteri deserved the win. I think Mercedes, LH and the sport lost far more than they gained. Sadly F1 is in such a bubble they always miss the big picture. Sport is about emotion, that is what keeps people coming back for more, not cold blooded, hard headed business. We all get enough of that from Monday to Friday. In contrast I felt much better watching Europe win the Ryder Cup yesterday, a perfect example of a team event that relies on individual brilliance. A team victory that was in stark contrast to Mercedes yesterday even though it was conducted at walking pace.
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