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Post by robmarsh on Sept 16, 2018 15:13:58 GMT
Not sure what is the issue with Ocon, but Perez was inside. Playing the audience by taking the high moral ground while he's been on the receiving end doesn't help his prospects. Change of attitude required.
Having said that, I do struggle to find the point with Perez as a driver. I don't think Ocon was to blame. The oportunity was there and there was enough room for both cars. Looking at Perez onboard camera he turned his steering wheel right as Ocon's front wheel was alongside his and no he was not correcting oversteer. It was only a little less blatent than Schumacher on Villeneuve. Later on he turned his steering wheel left into Sirotkin at racing speeds. He should be fired by Force India and banned for a couple of races. This maybe Tonto Woolfe's chance foe Mercedes to keep Ocon at Force India.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 16:11:48 GMT
To my disclaimer, while it happened I was also reading from a book.
Perez has history, and Ocon any time he opens his mouth has a French accent that counts against him...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 16:31:19 GMT
Hamilton has made the difference this year and has fully deserved the championship. Difficult to see who could take him on when he is driving as he currently is.
For Vettel next year it is make or break. His main hope is Hamilton taking some rest and lower the level just a bit, otherwise...
Ferrari have management on-track issues to sort out and Marchionne is not there anymore. The new boss as far as I know has never run a automobile company, lest a top racing team, so that is an unknown that adds to the uncertainty. From the track record, it can also be assumed that it won't be Arrivabene to sort things out. Again, their main hope is that the Merc will eventually fall behind decisively, because nothing lasts forever. However, it is still going on!!
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Post by robmarsh on Sept 16, 2018 17:08:16 GMT
Lucio I agree with you re Hamilton and the way he is currently driving. He has now won four of the last five when I expected Vettel to have won that number.
On Friday Maurizio " arrivederchi" Arrivebene openly criticised Seb for his comments re who his teammate should be. In return Seb has been openly critical on team radio of the strategy. It appears that Ferrari are in disarray again and could well implode before the end of the season. They looked third best today. Will Seb and Ferrari part like Prost did back in 1991? I hope not and I hope Ferrari can regroup and at least be competitive in the remaining races.
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Post by charleselan on Sept 16, 2018 17:33:12 GMT
If it were not for the antics going on down the lower regions of the field that would have been the ideal treatment for insomnia.
The only time there was a change of place for the first six was Sebastian's move on Max during the first lap, after that 68 laps of follow my leader.
I am going to take a lot of convincing that the Benz isn't the best car, no matter how well The Mighty Hamilton drives. I like Valtteri as a person as he is pleasant and honest but he appears to me as just a good driver, nothing special. Webber (twice) mentioned on UK C4 that he felt that The Mighty Hamilton had upped his game this year as he was racing against Ferrari and Vettel, I don't hold with that at all, his battle with Nico Rosberg was more personal than anything, and was intense. Currently he is not under that sort of pressure which means he is driving with more freedom.
Bottas really is not doing justice to that MB seat, even considering his poor luck earlier in the year. Tonto berates all the other teams for not taking one of his protégés which is rich, when he does nothing to promote his young drivers like Ocon; Wehrlein and Russell; thoroughly unctuous man.
Max yet again drove a superbly mature race in a car that was compromised, drive of the day for me.
I enjoyed the short battle between Charles and Pierre, even though one had to put up with Coulthard going on about them about to begin battles for the lead of races next year. As good as both these boys are I think that a little optimistic. Also yet again Charles only just out performed the much maligned Marcus Ericsson who was on a completely different strategy.
Perez' driving was a complete disgrace and one could tell by his body language afterwards that he was somewhat being a stranger to the truth, his eyes were everywhere and not fixed on the interviewer. Ocon displayed great maturity and dignity afterwards; all three of these three young French/Monegasque drivers are well mannered and polite, typical of most young French people I come into contact with.
What was it that Mario Andretti said to an irate James Hunt after attempting an around the outside pass in the 1977 Dutch GP; "I will overtake where ever I see an opportunity".
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Post by robmarsh on Sept 16, 2018 18:24:59 GMT
Here here Charles. Interesting view on why Hamilton is driving so well, makes a lot of sense. It also goes to show how underated Rosberg was. Had he not been such a gentleman to begin with he may well have won 2 championships.
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Post by Carl on Sept 16, 2018 19:48:51 GMT
Yes, that pole lap by Lewis was amazing. World class. Very good qualy also for Max and Ferrari was underwhelming, certainly after a strong FP3. But it's a long race and anything can happen... as they say. Every comment about the excitement of qualifying and Hamilton's pole speed shows foresight and a subdued resignation because, as so often in Formula One, qualifying proved to be when driving is most important and I suspect most of us knew it in advance.
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Post by Carl on Sept 16, 2018 19:53:53 GMT
Looking at Perez onboard camera he turned his steering wheel right as Ocon's front wheel was alongside his and no he was not correcting oversteer. It was only a little less blatent than Schumacher on Villeneuve. Later on he turned his steering wheel left into Sirotkin at racing speeds. He should be fired by Force India and banned for a couple of races. This maybe Tonto Woolfe's chance foe Mercedes to keep Ocon at Force India. Totally agree, Rob. Sergio Perez is pathetic and should be fired.
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Post by Carl on Sept 16, 2018 20:10:53 GMT
While I am thoroughly fascinated by all aspects of driving, what took place in Singapore was dull beyond belief because the focus was entirely on pit and tyre strategy, to the remarkable extent that Sergio Perez was followed by the cameras throughout his 40 mph drive-through. That this was considered interesting clearly indicates no racing was occurring.
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Post by chrisb on Sept 16, 2018 20:42:29 GMT
well, it was that boring I didn't watch it! ok, I tried and after the first lap - realised BSB was on and watched the 600's as it was far more interesting and then Leon H really ride a great race from the back of the grid to finish 3rd in the 1st BSB race, brilliant,
Lucio, you are quite right Hamilton is driving better than ever, seems to me he has 'relaxed' a bit more and is driving better for this, as JC reflects, is the lack of competition that Nico provided
I do think the loss of their leader has thrown Ferrari and hope for some management focusing.
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Post by chrisb on Sept 16, 2018 20:44:07 GMT
I have never been a fan of Perez, I always thought him an awkward driver, somehow lost in resentment - maybe the Mclaren fiasco jaded his views
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Post by Carl on Sept 16, 2018 22:28:44 GMT
I have never been a fan of Perez, I always thought him an awkward driver, somehow lost in resentment - maybe the Mclaren fiasco jaded his views To my mind, having deluded himself that he's the best, Perez is bitter that few agree and about having to bring money to the team. As you say, he's lost in resentment and none too smart.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 1:52:58 GMT
Lucio I agree with you re Hamilton and the way he is currently driving. He has now won four of the last five when I expected Vettel to have won that number. On Friday Maurizio " arrivederchi" Arrivebene openly criticised Seb for his comments re who his teammate should be. In return Seb has been openly critical on team radio of the strategy. It appears that Ferrari are in disarray again and could well implode before the end of the season. They looked third best today. Will Seb and Ferrari part like Prost did back in 1991? I hope not and I hope Ferrari can regroup and at least be competitive in the remaining races. That was what I was implying, it seems they are missing who leads, and Marchionne led, thanks to him they are at the front.
What has emerged in the last couple of seasons - when Ferrari has had a car to fight at least on equal footing the Merc – are Vettel's limits as a driver. He is supreme if he starts and leads from the front, otherwise it seems he is in the middle of the peloton. It can’t be said the same for, at least, Hamilton.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 2:01:57 GMT
RE Hamilton. Respectfully I have to disagree.
I am baffled you guys are so downplaying what Hamilton is doing and, looking a bit more closely, has been done ever since he was a deb beside Alonso on the McLaren. Seriously baffled.
Now you are also telling that Ferrari didn’t have the better car the most part of the season and that he is winning because he doesn’t have the competition Rosberg provided! I am left speechless.
Respectfully, it seems an argument to suit your stance on Hamilton, whatever the reason, seen from here.
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Post by Carl on Sept 17, 2018 4:38:12 GMT
RE Hamilton. Respectfully I have to disagree.
I am baffled you guys are so downplaying what Hamilton is doing and, looking a bit more closely, has been done ever since he was a deb beside Alonso on the McLaren. Seriously baffled.
Now you are also telling that Ferrari didn’t have the better car the most part of the season and that he is winning because he doesn’t have the competition Rosberg provided! I am left speechless.
Respectfully, it seems an argument to suit your stance on Hamilton, whatever the reason, seen from here. Lucio, Few here doubt Hamilton's extraordinary talent, and when judgment is based, as it often is, on one dimension, he is universally admired.
I think the point made about Rosberg is that for him to often beat a supremely talented teammate (far more often than Bottas) means Rosberg was better than thought. One of Nico's great advantages against his teammate was psychological. He kept him unbalanced with mindgames against which Hamilton had few defenses and, with Rosberg now retired, Hamilton is more relaxed even against more formidable rivals.
There will always be unfair biases among fans. Growing up, with one or two exceptions, I hated the Boston Celtics. That's the nature of sport. Fans don't always choose their heroes entirely on statistics. Despite his obvious great talent, some are reluctant to grant complete admiration to Hamilton because he provides that in abundance for himself.
Cheers, Carl
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