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Post by charleselan on Jan 24, 2019 16:34:11 GMT
Exceedingly well put Carl. Pure genius' all three of the original supergroup. I remember vividly watching the farewell concert on BBC TV, all in black and white on our old set. I was just in awe of those guys, they quit at the very top only to reform decades later I believe due to worries about Ginger's health, only for poor Jack to succumb first. Eric was always a snappy dresser and I recall the shirt he wore that evening, and yearned for one myself at the time. Hope you enjoyed revisiting "Live Cream"  . JC John Charles, Above and beyond the excellent vocals of Jack Bruce (Eric Clapton's vocals on Crossroads are also superb), it's extraordinary musical artistry that defines their genius. The best blues bass guitarist, the best lead guitarist, the most innovative drummer plus the best arrangements were the cream that rose naturally to the top.
Blues legend Robert Johnson wrote the original >
Cheers, Carl
Carl, Excellently put, I am in complete agreement about the trio, top of their craft all three. Robert Johnson was a big inspiration to Eric, and of course many others from that era. Of course this was the period of the long instrumental solo's on many tracks, some thought ostentatious but others just lapped it up. During my first year at college in Birmingham 1970/71 I travelled with some friends up to Nottingham Uni' to see Jack Bruce with his then new band Lifetime and Blodwyn Pig, but other than seeing Jack live it was a big disappointment. Firstly Mr Bruce was back into his jazz inspired work which did not resonate with me, and Blodwyn Pig were not the band I had been a fan of earlier, as the lead guitarist Mick Abrahams had recently departed the band. Abrahams had been formerly the lead guitar with Jethro Tull; I later in the mid 70's saw him with his own eponymous band which was OK. All a bit like seeing the original Fleetwood Mac without Peter Green, or later without Lindsay Buckingham. John Charles |
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Post by chrisb on Jan 24, 2019 21:28:15 GMT
Robert Johnson was the influence wasn't he? the ironic beauty of the British blues scene was the lift it gave to the original artists who deserved recognition,
my word JC, Blodwyn Pig, I think I've one of their albums somewhere along with Spooky Tooth! I daren't look for fear of flashbacks....
for me FMac were only the Mac when one of the most beautiful guitarists ever played with them, Peter Green was described as the next coming and when BB says Peter's playing makes the hair on his arms stand up, you have to listen, sorry but the reconstructed version whilst were very good and Rhiannon will always be a classic but for me it will always be Peter Green and FMac at the best
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Post by charleselan on Jan 25, 2019 19:23:29 GMT
Robert Johnson was the influence wasn't he? the ironic beauty of the British blues scene was the lift it gave to the original artists who deserved recognition, my word JC, Blodwyn Pig, I think I've one of their albums somewhere along with Spooky Tooth! I daren't look for fear of flashbacks.... for me FMac were only the Mac when one of the most beautiful guitarists ever played with them, Peter Green was described as the next coming and when BB says Peter's playing makes the hair on his arms stand up, you have to listen, sorry but the reconstructed version whilst were very good and Rhiannon will always be a classic but for me it will always be Peter Green and FMac at the best Would the Blodwyn Pig album be their first called "A Head Rings Out" Chris? It featured a bright pink sleeve to the vinyl record with a pigs head in the middle. I heard one track on the John Peel late night show on BBC Radio 1 called "Dear Gill", and just had to have the album. It was a good album but doesn't resonate so much now sadly. |
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Post by Carl on Jan 26, 2019 1:15:32 GMT
Robert Johnson was the influence wasn't he? the ironic beauty of the British blues scene was the lift it gave to the original artists who deserved recognition, my word JC, Blodwyn Pig, I think I've one of their albums somewhere along with Spooky Tooth! I daren't look for fear of flashbacks.... for me FMac were only the Mac when one of the most beautiful guitarists ever played with them, Peter Green was described as the next coming and when BB says Peter's playing makes the hair on his arms stand up, you have to listen, sorry but the reconstructed version whilst were very good and Rhiannon will always be a classic but for me it will always be Peter Green and FMac at the best Would the Blodwyn Pig album be their first called "A Head Rings Out" Chris? It featured a bright pink sleeve to the vinyl record with a pigs head in the middle. I heard one track on the John Peel late night show on BBC Radio 1 called "Dear Gill", and just had to have the album. It was a good album but doesn't resonate so much now sadly. Gentlemen, I'm listening to "Dear Jill" as I write, a great song that had slipped from my mind over time... and I even recall the album cover. There were momentous changes in Fleetwood Mac, Peter Green was a real loss after which the band lost its hard blues edge and despite further greatness also became a soap opera.
Are either of you familiar with The Seeds? They recorded several very good songs and, in 1966, a dynamic punk prototype single, "Pushin' Too Hard", that was by far their best.
Sky Saxon was a distinctive vocalist but never played the bass, as he pretends to in this televised show. Curiously, the producer shows a close-up of him pretending to play the bass as the lead guitarist does a simple mid-60s solo. They were a popular regional band in Los Angeles for a few years and the keyboardist occasionally wandered down from the canyon into the supermarket where I had my first job, impressing all the young employees. The lead singer eventually disappeared into a spiritual commune founded by a health food restaurateur, a likely scenario only in California. 
Cheers, Carl
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Post by chrisb on Jan 26, 2019 11:30:46 GMT
I'd have to dig it out John, but that sounds vaguely familiar, the trouble is with moving around you lose albums as well as memories, our talk of Blodwyn reminds me of over bands, like Stray with their light thingy, as I say Spooky Tooth with their version of a Black Sabbath record, oh gosh, time to lie down...
Carl, the Seeds, it didn't ring a bell and watching that clip just reminded me sooooo much of the 60's, man,
I am going to have to spotify some of the 60's and 70's bands in an attempt to try and remember some parts of my past, I think......
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Post by charleselan on Jan 26, 2019 16:40:07 GMT
Carl, That was good finding the Blodwyn Pig track, it always was a favourite of mine and featured Mick Abrahams at his best, shame I spent "Jill's" name incorrectly but such are the vagaries of time, and a lack of research . Mick was featured as lead guitar on Jethro Tull's first well known album "This Is It", not certain whether it was the actual first recording, and it was excellent. I do recall The Seeds but it was only in recent years that I really took notice of that track when it was played on a BBC Radio 2 "Sounds Of The '60's" program. I immediately found a copy and downloaded it, as I was so impressed with the song. Like the great Lou Reed and Velvet Underground they predate "Punk" by some years. On the subject of the radio program "Sounds Of The '60's" i am currently listening to a catch up of this mornings episode and have just heard The Box Tops Track "Soul Deep", a superb sound and i remember buying the 45rpm single of theirs "Neon Rainbow", just loved Alex Chilton's voice. John Charles |
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Post by charleselan on Jan 26, 2019 16:47:02 GMT
I'd have to dig it out John, but that sounds vaguely familiar, the trouble is with moving around you lose albums as well as memories, our talk of Blodwyn reminds me of over bands, like Stray with their light thingy, as I say Spooky Tooth with their version of a Black Sabbath record, oh gosh, time to lie down... Carl, the Seeds, it didn't ring a bell and watching that clip just reminded me sooooo much of the 60's, man, I am going to have to spotify some of the 60's and 70's bands in an attempt to try and remember some parts of my past, I think...... Sadly Chris I do not remember Stray but Spooky Tooth were a great band with the superb Gary Wright on vocals and keyboard. I believe that he was an American who spent a lot of time in the UK and i am sure he played on some of George Harrison's albums, along with some others. I think Spooky Tooth's most well known track was called "Dream Weaver". As I have mentioned to Carl above, I am listening to the catch up of "Sounds Of The '60's" with Tony Blackburn, who I somehow think you might not like, I actually really like him and think he is a real pro who puts this current shower on that station to shame except for Johnny Walker and the rare appearance of Bill Kenwright. TB is playing some awesome stuff this morning, Yeh! Man! . |
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Post by Carl on Jan 26, 2019 21:17:54 GMT
Carl, That was good finding the Blodwyn Pig track, it always was a favourite of mine and featured Mick Abrahams at his best, shame I spent "Jill's" name incorrectly but such are the vagaries of time, and a lack of research . Mick was featured as lead guitar on Jethro Tull's first well known album "This Is It", not certain whether it was the actual first recording, and it was excellent. I do recall The Seeds but it was only in recent years that I really took notice of that track when it was played on a BBC Radio 2 "Sounds Of The '60's" program. I immediately found a copy and downloaded it, as I was so impressed with the song. Like the great Lou Reed and Velvet Underground they predate "Punk" by some years. On the subject of the radio program "Sounds Of The '60's" i am currently listening to a catch up of this mornings episode and have just heard The Box Tops Track "Soul Deep", a superb sound and i remember buying the 45rpm single of theirs "Neon Rainbow", just loved Alex Chilton's voice. John Charles John Charles, A lady by either name would kiss as sweet. I'm glad that you share my impression of "Pushin' Too Hard". Occasionally a band will find genius only once and then it fades. I agree with you about Lou Reed. His "Rock and Roll" is beyond great, a song impossible to hear and not dance. Even shy dancers forget their shyness and are out on the dance floor! Shaken & stirred, Carl |
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Post by chrisb on Jan 27, 2019 7:43:44 GMT
quite right John, Tony Blackburn was my least favourite DJ, I had a real dislike about daytime R1 and really didn't care for the sort of jolly crap they transmitted, aside from Johnny Walker that was, whose health I understand isn't great as we speak but hopes to return, I did used to listen to Brian Mathews as well as he was such a Beatle fan and did a great impression of James Mason, which used to make John laugh,
but my word guys I am going to have to did deep into my memories and ask you what was the first 45 and 33 you ever bought?
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Post by charleselan on Jan 27, 2019 14:09:18 GMT
I actually like Tony Blackburn, Chris, but had a feeling he wouldn't be your cup of tea  . I grew up with the "Pirate's" and those guys were all special to me, even when they went to the enemy at the BBC. I hope that Johnny Walker is OK as he really is the best of those that are left, an absolute legend. Your comment about first ever 45's and albums bought has made me feel very old, as my musical interest dates back to Primary School days when my interest in music was influenced by my village school's then Head Teacher. So my very first album was a classical record of Tchaikovsky's "Nut Cracker Suit", and my first single (if one can call it that) was a 78rpm by Winifred Atwell!!!! This was approximately around the time of 1957, so I was pretty young. My first Pop 45rpm single must have been Helen Shapiro "Walking Back To Happiness". So you can see I am feeling very old. |
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Post by chrisb on Jan 27, 2019 20:51:03 GMT
ah the pirates! Radio Luxembourg on cold wintry nights listening to the likes of Sabbath, heaven
that is most impressive my friend, I do have the Nut Cracker on both vinyl and CD, but sadly there are no Wilfred's amongst my collection
if memory serves me the first 45 was something like Jet Harris and Tony Meehan with Diamonds and the first album would have been a Beatles one probably Revolver - which I still have, but my parents were not very generous nor interested in music so I really didn't start buying any records till I was in my teens, and then it has never stopped -
listening to Keef Hartley and you know it is really good, sorry but Blodwyn were not as impressive, do you recollect the Groundhogs?
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Post by charleselan on Jan 27, 2019 21:26:43 GMT
ah the pirates! Radio Luxembourg on cold wintry nights listening to the likes of Sabbath, heaven that is most impressive my friend, I do have the Nut Cracker on both vinyl and CD, but sadly there are no Wilfred's amongst my collection if memory serves me the first 45 was something like Jet Harris and Tony Meehan with Diamonds and the first album would have been a Beatles one probably Revolver - which I still have, but my parents were not very generous nor interested in music so I really didn't start buying any records till I was in my teens, and then it has never stopped - listening to Keef Hartley and you know it is really good, sorry but Blodwyn were not as impressive, do you recollect the Groundhogs? Ah! Ha! Chris, Jet Harris & Tony Meehan, saw them live at their peak when they supported Helen Shapiro on tour. My mum & dad took me to Cheltenham to see Helen as a treat. Guess who was the compare; none other than a young up and coming Dave Allen, he was outrageously funny even then. Jet Harris was quite a local boy to me as he came from Gloucester, ended up running a pub there in later years. Yes I know of the The Groundhogs with the lead guitarist Tony MacPhee ( had to look up to get his name correct), good band. |
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Post by Carl on Jan 28, 2019 0:46:52 GMT
quite right John, Tony Blackburn was my least favourite DJ, I had a real dislike about daytime R1 and really didn't care for the sort of jolly crap they transmitted, aside from Johnny Walker that was, whose health I understand isn't great as we speak but hopes to return, I did used to listen to Brian Mathews as well as he was such a Beatle fan and did a great impression of James Mason, which used to make John laugh, but my word guys I am going to have to did deep into my memories and ask you what was the first 45 and 33 you ever bought? My sister and I shared a 45 rpm record player which played mainly Disney music until suffering a sugar overdose.
The first albums I bought were Revolver and Sgt. Pepper, although I listened to radio and didn't buy many until my late teens; then started a flood that's diminished somewhat over the years. I came to resent the changing technologies that required all new equipment for tapes, then cassettes and CDs, my last line of purchase, after which I start to sing...
The very first popular song I loved (besides ones for children) was "Mister Sandman" in 1954. That song instilled in me a love of great harmony.
When my older cousin allowed me to play his records, I discovered Jerry Lee Lewis and Johnny Cash. I was transfixed and remember playing "Great Balls of Fire" and "I Walk The Line", one rockabilly and the other beautiful straight ahead country, over and over again.
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Post by charleselan on Jan 29, 2019 13:09:41 GMT
quite right John, Tony Blackburn was my least favourite DJ, I had a real dislike about daytime R1 and really didn't care for the sort of jolly crap they transmitted, aside from Johnny Walker that was, whose health I understand isn't great as we speak but hopes to return, I did used to listen to Brian Mathews as well as he was such a Beatle fan and did a great impression of James Mason, which used to make John laugh, but my word guys I am going to have to did deep into my memories and ask you what was the first 45 and 33 you ever bought? My sister and I shared a 45 rpm record player which played mainly Disney music until suffering a sugar overdose.
The first albums I bought were Revolver and Sgt. Pepper, although I listened to radio and didn't buy many until my late teens; then started a flood that's diminished somewhat over the years. I came to resent the changing technologies that required all new equipment for tapes, then cassettes and CDs, my last line of purchase, after which I start to sing...
The very first popular song I loved (besides ones for children) was "Mister Sandman" in 1954. That song instilled in me a love of great harmony.
When my older cousin allowed me to play his records, I discovered Jerry Lee Lewis and Johnny Cash. I was transfixed and remember playing "Great Balls of Fire" and "I Walk The Line", one rockabilly and the other beautiful straight ahead country, over and over again.
Was that a single pay, or stacked multi play record player Carl? My families first record player was a single disc at a time job that actually plugged into the large valve Bush Radio set we also had; goodness how technology moved on . |
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Post by Carl on Jan 29, 2019 16:26:48 GMT
Many details are unclear, but I believe ours and our cousin's played one record at a time. I remember using multi-play record players sometime later and not entirely liking the procedure. Also later came more sophisticated record players sized for 33rpm LP records which could play 45 rpm with a spindle adapter insert. Every few years owners were given to understand their proud possession was nearing obsolescence  |
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. I grew up with the "Pirate's" and those guys were all special to me, even when they went to the enemy at the BBC. I hope that Johnny Walker is OK as he really is the best of those that are left, an absolute legend.