Music and Motor Sport,

[mikael]

Sept 14, 2018 20:29:20 GMT Carl said:

Although I saw no sign that he was as impressed as I was, some find it curious that George Harrison wrote "Faster" not long after our wordless encounter late in the day at Long Beach in 1978.  

I had always thought he wrote the song about Jody Scheckter, but apparently it was to honor Ronnie Peterson, truly "the master of going faster".

The most spectacular music video ever!

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Elwood: There's 106 miles to Chicago, we've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.

Jake: Hit it.

[chrisb]

aw music heaven -

[Carl]

Police radar is sinister...radar love is good 

[chrisb]

Carl! oh brilliant! gosh that does take me back and back and....

[Carl]

Helmut Marko's occasional serenading of Max Verstappen with "Baby, You Can Drive My Car" is one reason Red Bull mechanics wear earphones and Daniel Ricciardo left.

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A short time ago, John Charles revealed that John Lennon felt his singing voice wasn't very good. At first, I wondered why. After all, he sounded just like John Lennon. Who could want more? But as I listened to various Beatles songs, I began to understand. His voice was not as melodic or adaptable as Paul McCartney's and at times was somewhat strained.

The songwriting genius of Lennon/McCartney went far beyond the individual genius of each. When their relationship faltered, the revolutionary genius of their songwriting partnership lost some of its brilliance. Although they remained musical geniuses, neither was ever as great as when they wrote together.

Few can sing a John Lennon song as well as he did his own.  Still, to this Beatles fan the best Beatles vocals are the wonderful harmonies on songs such as "If I Fell", "Nowhere Man", "And Your Bird Can Sing" and "Because"

My neighbor says her dog howls in harmony when I sing in the shower. I have invited her to join me so we can both...... listen.  

[chrisb]

wonderful Carl, simply wonderful, although I did think Dr Marko was singing "I've got my eye on you" [sorry] then I thought "Baby you're a rich man too" or "I'll get you in the end" might be more attuned....

I think John Lennon developed that insecurity later on Carl. When you listen to early Beatles he is giving it full wellie and can modulate, moderate and carouse as well as rock 'n' roll, but as the days went on with Paul and George developing and Brian, I think pushed Paul more as he felt he was more socially acceptable, I do think John started to feel less than he was and used the echo chamber a lot more but when you hear him singing again in 1980 with Double Fantasy I think he got some of his mojo back, making it all the more tragic on December 8th -

Well, I'm not sure Carl, I think John certainly wrote some spellbindingly great songs after the split but I am not sure Paul ever wrote as well again, and their co-writing was the best anyone ever achieved, albeit like Lady Madonna was a Paul song which he was going to leave out a section but John when he heard the demo said no, that was the best part of the song, which Paul always felt was John's genius, but what was it? nearly 400 songs together and all that touring - sheesh geniuses both

[Carl]

Chris,
            You're right that John Lennon wrote better songs than his erstwhile songwriting partner after the split. Lennon always sought to write more daring and progressive music while McCartney seemed somewhat lost after the break-up in the popular music genre he favored.  He wrote some excellent songs, but "Silly Love Song" was just silly...

...but they were indeed, as you said, "geniuses both".  Two who changed the world of music.

Cheers, Carl

[charleselan]

I am really pleased to see that you have regenerated this thread Chris, what better than to discuss such things in the midst of a nasty winter. Both you and Carl have made some very interesting points and observations regarding Lennon & McCartney, all of which is spot on.

I too, was and am a great Beatles fan, wonderful music and so very inspirational. I actually liked John's voice and just love some of his early material like the ones mentioned by Carl above, plus I must add "You're Going to Lose That Girl". I always felt that Paul was much more Pop orientated and he seemed to specialise in catchy riffs, almost jingle like at times. Although having said that he was hugely influenced by the likes of Little Richard and Chuck Berry; both John and Paul being also inspired by late 1950's and early 1960's American music.

Personally I feel that by the end of the 60's early 70's George Harrison completely blows the pair of them away. I have strangely over the past month revisited "All Things Must Pass" and it is a masterpiece, produced by the weird and wonderful Phil Spector along with George's meticulous and detailed genius. For me one of the greatest tracks of all time is the truly beautiful "I'd have You Anytime" which he co-wrote with Bob Dylan, and features the most outstanding guitar work of Eric Clapton. I treasure my boxed vinyl set, but also have it digitally for easy access.

Unbelievably it appears that Lennon & McCartney dismissed many of George's material which leads one in no doubt as to why he left the Beatles briefly for a period, and I doubt would have remained had they continued.

[chrisb]

John acknowledged that the best things on Abbey Road were written by George and the way he said it sounded almost apologetic - well a John version of an apology that is, and called some of Paul's work his Granny music, but Paul was capable of writing some really great music but he was also responsible for some dreadful stuff, that makes me grimace when I hear it,

one of the advantages of sites liked spot iffy is that you can edit their albums and take out the tracks that nauseate, Abbey Road being a great example of taking the two tracks out that really does spoil what is a brilliant album, with the three tracks, 2 x George and 1 x John, being amongst the greatest ever written or recorded,

so as to relate our beloved Beatles to F1 I have attempted to come up with two lists that associate music with F1, one a Beatles list the other a more general list

[chrisb]

the Beatles and F1

Mercedes - Love me do or we can work it out
Ferrari Help or Revolution
Red Bull Dear Prudence or I want to hold your hand
Renault Roll over Beethoven [ok Chuck wrote it but] or a Hard Day's night
Haas Tell me why? or Hello Goodbye
McLaren Nowhere man or Come together
Forced Strolling: I should have known better or Can't buy me love
Sauber Please Mr Postman [ok they didn't write it] or Long and winding road  
Torro Rosso Misery or From me to you
Williams Yesterday or Ticket to Ride


music and F1
Mercedes Comfortably Numb
Ferrari learning to fall
Red Bull winds of change
Renault Chance
Haas Dream on
McLaren Dust in the wind
Forced Strolling The Passenger
Sauber all things must pass
Torro Rosso Bridge of Sighs
Williams Just a shadow

all done very quickly but the gist is there

[Carl]

"Everyone of them knew that as time went by

They'd get a little bit older and a little bit slower

Number 9 Number 9 Number 9...."

        

  But not so for one of the greats!           

[charleselan]

That is a good one Chris, inspired even. Especially as it appears quieter on here than the Mary Celeste over the past few weeks, obviously every one having a blindingly good Christmas.

I must stress that I do like a lot of the material produced by Paul McCartney and bought many of his earlier 1970's albums; one cannot dispute the guy had a great Rock & Roll voice. I remember hearing Adam Faith being interviewed by Johnnie Walker many years ago and he said that Paul had the best Rock voice he had ever heard.

I also believe that Abbey Road was a great album; I seem to remember buying it along with Jethro Tull's "Stand Up" LP and also at a similar time Led Zeppelin 2, three all time great vinyl recordings. Talking of George's two great tracks on Abbey Road, he also lifted the "Double White" with "While My Guitar Gently Weeps", yet another classic with Eric Clapton.

I haven't got into Spotify myself as I have a massive digital collection that i have amassed over the past twenty years, I have so much on various external HDD's that I don't know what i have .

As an aside, I know that like me you are totally disgusted with what has become of the BBC Radio 2 station, however i have been looking elsewhere and cannot believe that BBC Radio Wales is now vastly superior on many counts. They have one presenter who is an absolute legend on Saturday Mornings, and some other times, called Owen Money (yes really), he plays great material and has a real charm about him.

JC

[Carl]

- The following includes Welsh content - 

Most of what came from the Beatles is extraordinary, as is most of what comes from Wales.

I remember my first view of the Beatles while walking home from the school bus with other neighborhood kids. Shelley, who was a year older and lived next door, showed us her "Meet the Beatles" album and described Ringo as "the ugly one". She was no great beauty herself and very shallow, but I remember that Ringo's smile was sort of pained.

John Lennon remains my favorite Beatle, even though he was a great fool for the delusional Yoko.  Diehard fans were aware of basic tensions within the group, some no doubt natural after many years as a band, but I believe there was no greater single harm than Yoko's delusions of musical talent.

I wonder whether the excessive sweetness and light in Paul's songs near the end may have come from despondency about the group's future, a cloying tendency not helped by Phil Spector.  John and Paul were both foolish at times and should never have strayed from George Martin's sophisticated production.  

Biblical prophets and George Harrison, who may have had Welsh blood, are agreed that "All things must pass"

"Wishing you a house full of sunshine, hearts full of cheer,

love that grows deeper each day of the year"

                                                                                                                              - a Welsh Blessing

[chrisb]

wonderful chaps, these guys including Pete and Stu will always remain the most astonishing band there has ever been and probably ever will be, my only major falling out with a comment from Mat Oxley was when he cited the Jam as the GOAT, something I still splutter with rage about, humph, honestly, a good band, talented musicians but basically a copy of the 60's Mod bands, whereas the Beatles just moved the world, bit of a contrast really

Paul wrote some fantastic stuff and could rock 'n' roll with the best of them, but I always was and will be a John fan and when you listen to the pre-Brian days he rocked! although my favourite rock n roll voices will always be Elvis in his Sun days and Eddie Cochran, although do believe but for that fateful tour Richie Valens could have developed and Buddy would have been even more incredible. Incidentally, I can understand why the early fans liked Pete's drumming it was really rocking but understand that for the band to move on perhaps they felt they needed a more innovative and someone who mucked about as they did, I mean, can you imagine Pete in the Hard Day's Night film?

I personally think and this was supported in an interview when the lads were asked how they felt about the screaming fans and John started to say it was a bit annoying and Paul interrupted him saying it was up to the fans, which left me with the thought that Paul really needed that sense of being adored or loved and John didn't or pushed it away, I do think Paul was the crowd pleaser and John just wanted to rock and carrying on being the rebel. From another perspective I did think Paul was the Beatle a Mother would want her daughter to meet and John wasn't, and man can I resonate with that,