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Post by René on Dec 30, 2018 10:41:17 GMT
Wonderful stuff guys! All way before my time but I do enjoy reading this. And there’s no denying George Harrison was a cool petrol head!   |
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Post by charleselan on Dec 30, 2018 12:34:47 GMT
wonderful chaps, these guys including Pete and Stu will always remain the most astonishing band there has ever been and probably ever will be, my only major falling out with a comment from Mat Oxley was when he cited the Jam as the GOAT, something I still splutter with rage about, humph, honestly, a good band, talented musicians but basically a copy of the 60's Mod bands, whereas the Beatles just moved the world, bit of a contrast really Paul wrote some fantastic stuff and could rock 'n' roll with the best of them, but I always was and will be a John fan and when you listen to the pre-Brian days he rocked! although my favourite rock n roll voices will always be Elvis in his Sun days and Eddie Cochran, although do believe but for that fateful tour Richie Valens could have developed and Buddy would have been even more incredible. Incidentally, I can understand why the early fans liked Pete's drumming it was really rocking but understand that for the band to move on perhaps they felt they needed a more innovative and someone who mucked about as they did, I mean, can you imagine Pete in the Hard Day's Night film? I personally think and this was supported in an interview when the lads were asked how they felt about the screaming fans and John started to say it was a bit annoying and Paul interrupted him saying it was up to the fans, which left me with the thought that Paul really needed that sense of being adored or loved and John didn't or pushed it away, I do think Paul was the crowd pleaser and John just wanted to rock and carrying on being the rebel. From another perspective I did think Paul was the Beatle a Mother would want her daughter to meet and John wasn't, and man can I resonate with that, Chris, Oxley is stuck in the 1980's with everything he refers to as the greatest; be it The Jam (late 70's as well) or American motorcycle racers. The Jam were good, and I liked them, but as for being the greatest, that is a rather pathetic adulation foisted upon a group who were inspired by others rather than inspirational. Blimey, The Small Faces and The Kinks just blew them away. Moving on, I like the reference to Eddie Cochran and Elvis as they were the real inspiration to what followed along with other you mention. Eddie was taken far to young and one can but surmise as to what he may have achieved. I find myself listening more and more to 1950's & 1960's music currently, but always have a soft spot for the Everly Bros and The Shadows; as that takes me back fondly to the motorcycle scrambles/motocross events of the early/mid 60's where they featured on the public announcement during breaks in racing. John |
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Post by Carl on Dec 30, 2018 17:32:35 GMT
As with Eddie Cochran, Buddy Holly's death at 22, having already established a lasting legacy in so short a time (The Beatles name was inspired by his band) was an incalculable loss to music. Lubbock, Texas, will always be a magical place. About twenty years ago I was discussing rock greatness with some neighbor kids (their choice of topic) and when one named Marilyn Manson as the greatest of all time, all I could think to do was politely change the subject.  
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Post by Carl on Jan 3, 2019 20:41:46 GMT
John Lennon was the most wonderful in a band of greats. I can remember specific tears on the day he died. Among his great lyrics: "She's the kind of girl who puts you down
when friends are there
You feel a fool
When you say she's looking good
She acts as if it's understood
She's cool"
"Newspaper taxis appear on the shore
waiting to take you away
Climb in the back with your head in the clouds
and you're gone"
"And when I awoke I was alone
This bird had flown
So I lit a fire
Isn't it good, Norwegian wood?" |
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Post by mikael on Jan 20, 2019 0:48:31 GMT
Commemorating the Ford GT40, chassis No. P1075, that won Le Mans twice (1968 & 1969). (By Safir GT40 Spares/Hoodoo Guitars, Calgary, Canada)    |
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Post by Carl on Jan 20, 2019 5:15:56 GMT
Mikael, An awesome guitar and beautiful photographs, all displaying the gorgeous colors of Gulf livery. If it was a bass guitar, Rene would hit all the apexes of passionate yearning...
The #6 won the 1969 race, and the second place Porsche 908 is seen close behind. Judging by the shadows both photos were taken in the early afternoon as the race neared completion.
The margin of victory after 24 hours was less than two seconds and closer than necessary. Jacky Ickx could have lost the race at the start by declining to run to his car, instead calmly walking and joining the race in last place. The calm walk was a protest, but had Porsche won, John Wyer's protest would still be ringing in his ears today.
Cheers, Carl
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Post by chrisb on Jan 20, 2019 15:20:02 GMT
that is just so cool Mikael,
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Post by charleselan on Jan 21, 2019 16:28:02 GMT
Mikael, An awesome guitar and beautiful photographs, all displaying the gorgeous colors of Gulf livery. If it was a bass guitar, Rene would hit all the apexes of passionate yearning...
The #6 won the 1969 race, and the second place Porsche 908 is seen close behind. Judging by the shadows both photos were taken in the early afternoon as the race neared completion.
The margin of victory after 24 hours was less than two seconds and closer than necessary. Jacky Ickx could have lost the race at the start by declining to run to his car, instead calmly walking and joining the race in last place. The calm walk was a protest, but had Porsche won, John Wyer's protest would still be ringing in his ears today.
Cheers, Carl
That is one of the features that makes Jaques Bernard Ickx such an interesting person. He rebelled against many of the safety changes by not joining the GPDA back in the early 1970's which did not go down well with JYS and Jochen Rindt. He was his own man and accepted the challenges and dangers of places like Spa and The 'Ring; yet he was against the traditional Le Mans start, and made the protest you speak of. All that being said his win in the "old" JW GT40 was an epic one which very few others could have replicated. |
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Post by René on Jan 21, 2019 16:35:14 GMT
If it was a bass guitar, Rene would hit all the apexes of passionate yearning... Carl, it looks good on the bass too!  |
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Post by Carl on Jan 23, 2019 6:31:00 GMT
Mikael, An awesome guitar and beautiful photographs, all displaying the gorgeous colors of Gulf livery. If it was a bass guitar, Rene would hit all the apexes of passionate yearning...
The #6 won the 1969 race, and the second place Porsche 908 is seen close behind. Judging by the shadows both photos were taken in the early afternoon as the race neared completion.
The margin of victory after 24 hours was less than two seconds and closer than necessary. Jacky Ickx could have lost the race at the start by declining to run to his car, instead calmly walking and joining the race in last place. The calm walk was a protest, but had Porsche won, John Wyer's protest would still be ringing in his ears today.
Cheers, Carl
That is one of the features that makes Jaques Bernard Ickx such an interesting person. He rebelled against many of the safety changes by not joining the GPDA back in the early 1970's which did not go down well with JYS and Jochen Rindt. He was his own man and accepted the challenges and dangers of places like Spa and The 'Ring; yet he was against the traditional Le Mans start, and made the protest you speak of. All that being said his win in the "old" JW GT40 was an epic one which very few others could have replicated. John Charles, I agree. Wasn't John Surtees also a contrarian in the same way? I seem to recall he resented Jackie Stewart assuming leadership on safety. Could former motorcyclists (Ickx was a trials champion) be more naturally independent? I remember reading about a Grand Prix Drivers Association meeting and one or two comments as drivers were leaving. When one remarked that Stewart was acting like Moses, Surtees suggested JYS may see himself as higher on the scale of divinity. Motorcycle champions and the Welsh in general are impossible to convert.
Cheers, Carl 
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Post by charleselan on Jan 23, 2019 16:23:20 GMT
That is one of the features that makes Jaques Bernard Ickx such an interesting person. He rebelled against many of the safety changes by not joining the GPDA back in the early 1970's which did not go down well with JYS and Jochen Rindt. He was his own man and accepted the challenges and dangers of places like Spa and The 'Ring; yet he was against the traditional Le Mans start, and made the protest you speak of. All that being said his win in the "old" JW GT40 was an epic one which very few others could have replicated. John Charles, I agree. Wasn't John Surtees also a contrarian in the same way? I seem to recall he resented Jackie Stewart assuming leadership on safety. Could former motorcyclists (Ickx was a trials champion) be more naturally independent? I remember reading about a Grand Prix Drivers Association meeting and one or two comments as drivers were leaving. When one remarked that Stewart was acting like Moses, Surtees suggested JYS may see himself as higher on the scale of divinity. Motorcycle champions and the Welsh in general are impossible to convert.
Cheers, Carl
Carl, I believe that you are right about Mr Surtees; I think it comes down to some who are natural leaders, and some who will not be lead, just like the Welsh . What a wonderful word contrarian is, absolutely fits those two gentlemen to a tee, and both all the better for it. Incidentally with regard to René's Bass Guitar, I happened to have on this morning one of my digital music players and as it was set to "Shuffle" I have no idea what will be played; suddenly up came "Crossroads" by Cream from the outstanding Live Cream album. Not only do we have the great Eric Clapton at his very bluesy best, but the truly great late Jack Bruce on bass driving it along with Ginger Baker on drums. I hadn't played that track for some time, just outstanding. John Charles |
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Post by Carl on Jan 23, 2019 17:27:58 GMT
John Charles, Another dead center bullseye comment! Cream were so great they inspired someone to coin the term supergroup. That live recording of Crossroads is simply wonderful and better by far than any studio version. I love how Jack Bruce acknowledges Eric Clapton at the very end. Never better on guitar, he had just astonished everyone including his bandmate! The powerful voice and bassline of Bruce, Clapton's guitar and Ginger Baker's always innovative presence on drums, all three were geniuses without peers. I'm placing my Cream CD on deck, as they say in baseball, next to come to bat.  Cheers, Carl |
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Post by charleselan on Jan 23, 2019 17:42:28 GMT
Exceedingly well put Carl. Pure genius' all three of the original supergroup. I remember vividly watching the farewell concert on BBC TV, all in black and white on our old set. I was just in awe of those guys, they quit at the very top only to reform decades later I believe due to worries about Ginger's health, only for poor Jack to succumb first. Eric was always a snappy dresser and I recall the shirt he wore that evening, and yearned for one myself at the time. Hope you enjoyed revisiting "Live Cream" . JC |
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Post by chrisb on Jan 24, 2019 5:09:55 GMT
they were the ultimate in supergroups, everything else paled subsequently, my favourite bit and I have both the video of the original farewell concert, remembering I actually saw that in the cinema...ouch..and the reunion farewell concert, but most importantly I have it on spotify, that comment from Eric, who I totally agree was at his best that day was that open note of sunshine, brings tears to my eyes, brilliant, but as it is 5:00 a,m . better not play it just yet, well might do - sorry neighbours
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Post by Carl on Jan 24, 2019 7:47:13 GMT
Exceedingly well put Carl. Pure genius' all three of the original supergroup. I remember vividly watching the farewell concert on BBC TV, all in black and white on our old set. I was just in awe of those guys, they quit at the very top only to reform decades later I believe due to worries about Ginger's health, only for poor Jack to succumb first. Eric was always a snappy dresser and I recall the shirt he wore that evening, and yearned for one myself at the time. Hope you enjoyed revisiting "Live Cream" . JC John Charles, Above and beyond the excellent vocals of Jack Bruce (Eric Clapton's vocals on Crossroads are also superb), it's extraordinary musical artistry that defines their genius. The best blues bass guitarist, the best lead guitarist, the most innovative drummer plus the best arrangements were the cream that rose naturally to the top.
Blues legend Robert Johnson wrote the original >
Cheers, Carl
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