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Post by charleselan on Aug 6, 2018 12:48:39 GMT
Chris,
"I love music - just adore it". What a phrase and it could not be more appropriate as I feel exactly the same. I could not live without my music, I always have it playing wherever I may be. Sad to say the days of having the radio, or modern equivalent, on all day has now ended for me as the BBC station managers have chosen to destroy the once great station Radio2.
So now it it just the odd program during the day and the use of iPlayer to listen to others that I miss and enjoy; other than that it is my digital collection either through the computer or iPod through music system. It is great that more modern cars now have the facility to plug an iPod into the sound system, so much better than having CD's to sort through.
Carl,
Not doubting that Led Zep were influenced by others, don't wish to use the term plagiarised as that is a very strong term, and I would prefer to live in ignorance of the fact that my beloved "Zep" were brilliant. To me this "plagiarism" thing was exemplified by poor George Harrison being sued for so say copying "He's So Fine" with his superb "My Sweet Lord", totally out of order that legal suit.
Going back to Zeppelin their very existence was, or has been, put down to copying a concept anyway. Before they formed it is regarded by some that a band created by Rod Stewart and Jeff Beck produced a sound and genre that Zep imitated. However the original did not continue after early live performances either due to contractual obligations (something that blighted many opportunities) or some other issue. Interestingly Rod and Jeff got back together many years later and recorded an extended single CD which featured the best ever cover version of Curtis Mayfield's "People Get Ready".
Rod Stewart and Jeff Beck are performers I rate highly; Rod in the early 70's was at his peak in my eyes with "Every Picture Tells A Story" an all time great album. Jeff Beck is an outstanding guitar player with a very unique style; he lost me a bit for may years with his somewhat avant guard jazz style, but his recent work has been absolutely beautiful to listen to.
Incidentally Jimmy Page was featured on the UK Channel 4 News program last week, when he invited presenter Jon Snow to his amazing house following his stand against a near neighbour (Robbie Williams, now there is a plagiarist) who was attempting a house extension that was putting the foundations of Jimmy property at risk. he was absolutely enchanting in the interview and the house has been kept exactly as its originator had designed and built, a truly incredible place.
John Charles
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Post by René on Aug 6, 2018 15:31:02 GMT
Great thread! Yes music, who can live without it? I know I can't! I grew up with music. My mum played the piano and there was (still is) always classical music on the stereo. Really learned to appreciate classical at a later age though. I can listen to it for hours now (mainly baroque). I have an older sister and two older brothers so I learned to listen to their music at a pretty young age. The Beatles, the Stones, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple and more. But the bands that really stood out for me were at first Uriah Heep and then The Doors which I really liked very much. A preference for the dark and melancholic side of life I guess which has stayed with me ever since. When I started to discover music myself and develop my own taste, I really liked punk and new wave music of the late seventies, early eighties. The Sex Pistols and the Ramones, Joy Division, New Order, The Sound and more bands like that. Pretty dark but I liked it and also learned to play the bass guitar. I played in several local bands. Those were good times, playing live in bars and small concert halls. Great way to attract the ladies I can tell you, playing the bass!  I also like metal like Metallica or Slayer but nowadays I mainly listen to classical and some jazz in the car. I hardly play the bass anymore so a bit rusty there. Even thinking of selling my guitar stuff sometimes.... but I probably shouldn't. Music is life!  |
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Post by Carl on Aug 6, 2018 16:47:01 GMT
John Charles,
I understand devotion to those we hold in awe. I also understand that few people enjoy actually meeting their heroes, really coming to know them, as the contrast between image and reality is often stark and disappointing. We embrace our idols at a comfortable distance.
Plagiarism is an ugly legal term, one that I have not used. It probably derives from ancient anal-retentive law and has no clear meaning even to lawyers, which is why they constantly argue about it. I would suggest lazy and arrogant as more applicable here. The origins of great music matter, and hold undeniable importance to the original musicians, but do not change the greatness.
I also really liked early Rod Stewart! "Every Picture Tells A Story" is one of the all-time great albums and I wanted my own Maggie Mae. Sadly, perhaps after bumping his head, he turned to disco. Hot legs?
Jeff Beck is incredible, the only one of the guitar gods still actively creating. He also has a wonderful (and gorgeous) bass player, Tal Wilkenfeld. A few years ago, Beck performed a slow and exquisitely beautiful "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" on Jools Hollands' program. Whatever made him choose it, it was enchanting.
I am suing Ringo for using my name in "Octopus's Garden" without permission.
Cheers, Carl
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Post by charleselan on Aug 6, 2018 17:12:35 GMT
Carl,
Wonderful words indeed. I could add that meeting a hero that disappoints says a lot about the hero. Cannot imagine meeting Jim Clark or Ronnie Peterson would have disappointed me, not sure about some musicians though, but Jimmy Page really was delightful in the Channel 4 News program last week.
"Somewhere Over The Rainbow" was one of the tracks that i had in mind with Jeff Beck, along with his rendition of "Nessun Dorma". There was a brilliant film of his performance at Ronnie Scotts aired by the BBC a few years ago, it was absolutely superb and indeed his lady bassist is truly lovely, and what a player.
On another occasion of similar vintage Jeff joined Eric Clapton on stage, or vice versa the heat here is getting to me so apologies. Beck is an incredibly modest guy and more or less said that Clapton was the great player, to which Eric was having none of that and paid him the hugest of compliments.
I am equally sorry that Rod Stewart got Discoized, and to think I bought many of those albums as well. However i am delighted to know you think so highly of "Every Picture.." for it is a brilliant album. Incidentally the red haired Scots lass Maggie Bell mentioned earlier did many of the backing vocals on that, very powerful voice that lady. her own band Stone the Crows were excellent but sadly the guitarist Leslie Harvey (brother of Alex "Sensational" Harvey) was electrocuted while on stage.
John Charles
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Post by Jamie on Aug 6, 2018 18:25:15 GMT
An absolutely brilliant band; I was hooked from the moment I bought Led Zeppelin 2 in 1970. The stereo effect on some tracks were amazing as the guitar riffs went from one speaker to the other. Good shout John, this is something I really like on their records, the perfect example being the ending to 'What is and What Should Never Be'........absolutely fantastic. |
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Post by Carl on Aug 6, 2018 20:19:21 GMT
When I started to discover music myself and develop my own taste, I really liked punk and new wave music of the late seventies, early eighties. The Sex Pistols and the Ramones, Joy Division, New Order, The Sound and more bands like that. Pretty dark but I liked it and also learned to play the bass guitar. I played in several local bands. Those were good times, playing live in bars and small concert halls. Great way to attract the ladies I can tell you, playing the bass! I also like metal like Metallica or Slayer but nowadays I mainly listen to classical and some jazz in the car. I hardly play the bass anymore so a bit rusty there. Even thinking of selling my guitar stuff sometimes.... but I probably shouldn't. Music is life! Here's one just for the bass player
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Post by charleselan on Aug 6, 2018 21:23:26 GMT
An absolutely brilliant band; I was hooked from the moment I bought Led Zeppelin 2 in 1970. The stereo effect on some tracks were amazing as the guitar riffs went from one speaker to the other. Good shout John, this is something I really like on their records, the perfect example being the ending to 'What is and What Should Never Be'........absolutely fantastic. Jamie, Another truly great album that features stereo separation that can almost lead to disorientation is that of Jimi Hendrix "Electric Ladyland". Some incredible tracks on this album by the man that guys like Eric Clapton rated him the best of the lot. John |
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Post by Carl on Aug 6, 2018 21:42:06 GMT
On one of David Bowie's formative albums, Hunky Dory, a very cool stereo effect begins one of his early rockers, Queen Bitch, between Bowie's acoustic guitar and then Mick Ronson's more powerful electric.
There may be a nod to the Beatles in the lyrics. "If she says she can do, then she can do it! She don't make false claims" suggests the great John Lennon line, "When you say she's looking good, she acts as if it's understood..."
Everyone honored the Beatles...
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Post by chrisb on Aug 7, 2018 4:50:41 GMT
ah my beloved music, the food of life! growing up I loved rock 'n' roll especially Eddie Cochran and Dion and still play it when the mood needs a lift, but my five bands/ artists that are my go to are of course the Beatles, Pink Floyd, Free, Zep, and the 5th, hovers between Jimi, Bob, Black Sabbath, Ten Years After, the Who, [although dislike their mod period] the 1967-1973 Stones, but Jimi tends to come out on top, love his blues,
I saw Jeff Beck in Birmingham once, 75% of it was lost on me, then he played two tracks that made you realise what a guitar god this guy is, for the life of me I cannot recollect what they were called, but they were incredible and mesmirising, and of course Jeff loves his cars and is a mate of Jimmy Page - they've known each other since the 50's, there was a lovely documentary about him and some very rare interviews on BBC4 some months ago, brilliant,
John, I share your view of EL, 1983 turn turn is just melodic heaven, but given the vagaries of taste I am also really impartial to a sunday morning piece of Bach, nothing like it, clears the head, confuses the neighbours, and pacifies the heart, or a late night piece of Miles Davies, moon is blue has got to be one of the best late night albums ever produced,
gosh - so many pieces of music and bands, from the Searchers to Fairport Convention, that I still listen to - even early Shadow's when the great Jet and Tony were there and Cliff's rock n roll, Elvis's Sun recording's - Buddy Holly to Foo Fighters, even like Green Day, but have absoloutely no idea what is happening in today's music as, like you say John, since the BBC destroyed R2 by filling it with all these teenyboppers with nauseating musical tastes and pathetic humour, our Tel's music was dreadful but the humour was class, I occassionaly listen to AbsolouteRock but err more towards CD's in the car, currently playing a bluesman called Gary Clark Jnr, whom I would strongly recommend.
but isn't music great - long may it reign
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Post by Carl on Aug 9, 2018 22:11:01 GMT
Honolulu Baby! An innocent popular song transformed into risque naughtiness at Laurel and Hardy's lodge meeting in "Sons of the Desert", made just before the "Hays Code" was established to rid Hollywood of just such naughtiness. What makes this unusual is the skill of production, both singing and dancing. The small orchestra adds just the right suggestive touch and there's a brief Busby Berkeley style overhead camera. Hot babes  and scanty outfits. Who could ask for more? The song and dance number starts at 0:32 in the video
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Post by Carl on Aug 10, 2018 2:03:40 GMT
Carl, Wonderful words indeed. I could add that meeting a hero that disappoints says a lot about the hero. Cannot imagine meeting Jim Clark or Ronnie Peterson would have disappointed me, not sure about some musicians though, but Jimmy Page really was delightful in the Channel 4 News program last week. "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" was one of the tracks that i had in mind with Jeff Beck, along with his rendition of "Nessun Dorma". There was a brilliant film of his performance at Ronnie Scotts aired by the BBC a few years ago, it was absolutely superb and indeed his lady bassist is truly lovely, and what a player. On another occasion of similar vintage Jeff joined Eric Clapton on stage, or vice versa the heat here is getting to me so apologies. Beck is an incredibly modest guy and more or less said that Clapton was the great player, to which Eric was having none of that and paid him the hugest of compliments. I am equally sorry that Rod Stewart got Discoized, and to think I bought many of those albums as well. However i am delighted to know you think so highly of "Every Picture.." for it is a brilliant album. Incidentally the red haired Scots lass Maggie Bell mentioned earlier did many of the backing vocals on that, very powerful voice that lady. her own band Stone the Crows were excellent but sadly the guitarist Leslie Harvey (brother of Alex "Sensational" Harvey) was electrocuted while on stage. John Charles John Charles,
I agree that meeting Jim Clark or Ronnie Peterson would probably have been most pleasant. My brief encounter with Dan Gurney was illuminating both of his character and overall greatness. My suggestion of stark disappointment is sometimes true but usually not. What does sometimes hold true is that a famous person can be tired of attention just when an admirer wants a few minutes. That's when a celebrity will duck into a doorway or a waiting limousine, unaware that the person paying attention is intelligent and someone they'd enjoy meeting.
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Post by chrisb on Aug 10, 2018 6:07:28 GMT
Carl, meeting these three [Jimmy, Ronnie and Dan] would have been fantastic, mind you one would have had to have been polite as Jimmy was known to be a bit touchy if you were a bit too familiar, understandably so, but your comments brought two memories to surface - once bumping into Pete Townsend in Richmond Surrey brought a look of surprise to me and a snarl from Pete, I thought a request for an autograph may not have been too welcome...and the other one was a few weeks ago at Headingly, and this shows the contrast, last year I bumped into Geoffrey Boycott, who grinned and nodded and my bow of respect whilst this year by accident I found myself walking alongside Sir Ian Botham whose acknolwedgment of my prescence was non existant, in fact complete oblivion, despite my good morning -
I always wondered what it would have been like to have John Lennon, sometimes witty, sometimes really caring, sometimes very friendly and sometimes very verbally cruel,
can't remember what the programme was but it was something about who would be your dream guests for lunch, all I know was it would have to be a bloody big table -
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Post by charleselan on Aug 10, 2018 11:16:15 GMT
Carl & Chris,
I totally agree that Jim; Ronnie and Dan would have been real gents and would not have disappointed in any way. I also agree Carl that many individuals that one might admire for their abilities in what ever may be of interest, could easily disappoint. So with respect of the latter I have never ever sought to speak or acknowledge them, in my later years I would have no thoughts of contact for to me they are just another human being; no better or no worse than anyone else.
Meeting them in a quiet environment and on a one to one circumstance might be all together different, so maybe the above was a little too generalised.
Sad to hear that Botham was so rude Chris but not really surprising as I always found him to be abrasive and self important. He was one of the sportsmen that my dear Grandfather referred to somewhat sarcastically as "The Mighty Botham" when ever he came out to bat.
To my way of thinking these so called "stars" who are disdainful of their public, or who get tired of the attention, should just think about the fact that no one made them do what they do. If they do not like being a "celebrity" then do something else; maybe they would like to be a nurse; doctor; teacher; social worker etc and see how that fits.
JC
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Post by robmarsh on Aug 10, 2018 17:29:12 GMT
Thanks guys for the music lesson. I have some more things to look up on YouTube. Although I love music and have similar tastes to all of you, I do not have the extreme depth of knowledge that you guys have.
René I love listening to Baroque music when building models. Have you heard the piece Nuvole Bianche by Ludovico Einaudi. I am not sure what genre it is but it is a lovely piece of music.
For those of you who went through the English education system, I passed my "O" , "M" and "A" levels listening to the music of the early seventies.
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Post by Jamie on Aug 10, 2018 19:25:31 GMT
On one of David Bowie's formative albums, Hunky Dory, a very cool stereo effect begins one of his early rockers, Queen Bitch, between Bowie's acoustic guitar and then Mick Ronson's more powerful electric. There may be a nod to the Beatles in the lyrics. "If she says she can do, then she can do it! She don't make false claims" suggests the great John Lennon line, "When you say she's looking good, she acts as if it's understood..." Everyone honored the Beatles... Bowie was great, I'm a fan. In fact most of the family attended a Bowie tribute concert in the grounds of the most wonderful Trentham Estate a few weeks ago for my wife's 40th birthday....brilliant. |
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and scanty outfits. Who could ask for more? 