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Post by robmarsh on May 28, 2018 16:57:27 GMT
I agree totally with you Charles. The precious drivers and riders forget that the fans are largely responsible for their wealth even if indirectly. Should TV viewership drop off because people hate a certain driver and by association their teams and sponsors said driver would be dropped like a heart cake.
I too hate all the prima donnas and divas that hang around the grand prix teams especially Monaco. Most know little about the sport and are there to score publicity points. Hugh Grant summed it up when he said he was supporting Ferrari because they were his hosts for the day. How pious. As René will confirm a true Ferrari supporter loves the team for what it is and not what it gives you.
As for Lance Stroll he is showing his true colours and skill level this year. His moans during practice and the race were cringeworthy at best. He is not good enough to whinge at his team like that. Monaco normally separates the men from the boys in practice and Sirotkin, who has driven in 20 races less than Stroll certainly showed that.
I do hope MV learns to harness his natural speed in the proper direction very soon. He has the talent and I find him a very engaging interviwee.
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Post by René on May 28, 2018 19:19:04 GMT
As René will confirm a true Ferrari supporter loves the team for what it is and not what it gives you. Absolutely Rob, through good times and bad times. I do hope MV learns to harness his natural speed in the proper direction very soon. He has the talent and I find him a very engaging interviwee. I couldn't agree more. It is obvious Max is going through a rough time making too many mistakes. His FP3 crash was plain stupid. But Max is no De Cesaris. His natural speed (the most important asset of a racing driver) is without question. I cannot remember ever have seen this before in F1. We have seen many super talents failing in F1 for whatever reason. But Max has already won, three times! And showed us magic on several occasions, in the Toro Rosso as well as in the Red Bull. Think Brazil in the rain where even the Brazilians were full of praise. It would be a unique situation if his career stalled now, almost unimaginable.
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Post by René on May 28, 2018 19:28:55 GMT
I was happy for Daniel, it was well deserved. But the race was not one to remember.
I do enjoy seeing the new generation making their mark though; Ocon, Gasly and Leclerc and of course Verstappen. These are the guys that will fight for race wins and championships in the near future. And that will make it even more difficult for guys like Grosjean but also Hülkenberg. Personally I am still not convinced by Sainz but I could be wrong there.
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Post by robmarsh on May 29, 2018 6:37:10 GMT
Hi René I agree with you re Sainz. Ocon, Gasly and Leclerc seem to be on much steeper trajectories than Sainz and only Ocon has had the benefit of a better car than Sainz. Maybe Carlos will get there but I am not sure. I think Max is over driving at the moment. Last year it seemed he had the measure of DR but this year DR has found some extra speed. In terms of experience DR should be ahead of Max no matter how talented the youngster. Red Bull and particularly Helmut Marko should be aware of this and calm him down. With more race finishes will come confidence and the natural speed will return but in a controlled manner. Max needs Jackie Stewart as his life coach right now, not Jos or Marko.
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Post by robmarsh on May 31, 2018 7:00:09 GMT
I see Ross Brawn is quoted as saying critics of Monaco are naive. To my mind that is another example of the unrealistic bubble that F1 lives in. The naivety lies with Ross. If he believes that the modern F1 car, with it's 2 metre width and nearly 6 metres length and that is able to brake from 180 mph to 70 in less than 100 metres, can overtake in such confines shows he is not in touch with reality. One of the only places to overtake in Monaco is out of the tunnel leading to the chicane. I am not sure what the distance is but it is not more than 400m. In that distance, travelling at 80m/sec the following car has to make up at least 20m to make a safe overtake. No way can that happen unless the front guy assists in the overtake. Ask David Coulthard who drove a much smaller and narrower car. The modern F1 car is too big and the Monaco circuit too small. One or both needs to change.
On another note, Williams seem to be imploding and have now got rid of two of their top people who were responsible for this year's car. My view is that the problem lies with executive management. The person who gave the final go ahead for Stroll should be interviewing the mirror and so should Paddy Lowe for obviously thinking he was too important to pay much attention to the development of the car. When Robert Kubica says that the seat doesn't fit the drivers properly and they have known that since November and nothing has been done, then I think Williams are going the way of Tyrrell, Jordan and others. The racing department is too top heavy and big for the type of car they build. There must be massive extra costs that they don't need.
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Post by mikael on May 31, 2018 8:21:50 GMT
Yes, the dimensions have become grotesque, really. A length of nearly 6 metres, and a wheelbase that is approaching 4 metres ... (For comparison, a 2018 Porsche 911 has a length of 4.5 metres and a wheelbase of 2.45 metres. The width is 1.8 metres. These are harmonic dimensions.) Hamilton suggested that the course/track of Monaco should be changed, for example by including some new by-passes, such that the straight-speeds come up. Thus he concedes that it "doesn't work" with those huge cars on that classical track. (Reference: www.grandprix.com/news/monaco-should-change-f1-circuit-says-hamilton.html ) But it would be much better to stipulate some reasonable maximum dimensions in the rule-book -- a.s.a.p.!
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Post by chrisb on May 31, 2018 15:30:02 GMT
in 1977 or 8 Mario spoke of following Jochen Mass for the whole race and was unable to overtake then and in those days Mario was a lot more agressive than most European drivers Mario laconically commentaing he now knew how the Mclaren gearbox operated, give the wonderful demonstartion via kit cars as to how much these behemoths have grown - what do people expect? it is a demonstartion run after qualifying in reliablity and gross wealth and vulgarity - these monsters need to be half their current dimensions and Monaco confined to its historic GP only until F1 gets its head together
quite right JC the motor sport world has always been dominated by those of the rich variety, i remember pictures of Brooklands in the 20's and it wasn't until the 'professional' racing driver emerged in the 50's with Stirling and the revolution in the 60's by 'people' so the son of a grocer could become WDC 3 times, or a Farmer could dominate or an ex-Navy [sorry can't remember the rank] become a twice WDC did we start to break that hold - but we will always get paid drivers or drivers with Uncles with influence but now, Stroll is just that a stroll before he goes off to race at Indy - hopefully soon ,
the demise of Williams seems to be in keeping with some other famous marques once the original driving force finishes, such as Brabham, Lotus and Tyrell, but it is such a shame, i hope not and hope they break free from the shackles of ineptitude but my doubts are there
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 12:20:18 GMT
Haven't watched a single lap all weekend, but guy with Italian blood and name wins, then all good!
(even Italian passport, but he is and feels an Aussie, that is fair)
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Post by charleselan on Jun 1, 2018 16:35:19 GMT
Rob,
Ross Brawn is either naive himself, or very arrogant in making that statement. He knows full well what the issues are, but sadly he isn't going to change much as he isn't the man that he is cracked up to be. The fact that they are "racing" (and to quote dear old Murray Walker, "I use that term advisedly") vehicles the size of commercial dimensions is totally unacceptable. All brought about by the quest for better aerodynamic downforce and to accommodate these overly complicated power units.
These aero and P/U/ boffins do not give a cr*p about the quality of racing, or the interests of the spectator or enthusiast. The only thing that matters to them is their immense ego's and large doses of self importance.
Chris is correct in that the Monaco GP should now only be used for Classic racing, until contemporary F1 vehicles are brought down to a realistic and proper size. Who in hells name thinks that a F1 car the size of a Long Wheel Base Ford Transit van can pass as the ultimate in racing car design.
JC
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Post by René on Jun 1, 2018 17:25:09 GMT
Rob, Ross Brawn is either naive himself, or very arrogant in making that statement. He knows full well what the issues are, but sadly he isn't going to change much as he isn't the man that he is cracked up to be. The fact that they are "racing" (and to quote dear old Murray Walker, "I use that term advisedly") vehicles the size of commercial dimensions is totally unacceptable. All brought about by the quest for better aerodynamic downforce and to accommodate these overly complicated power units. These aero and P/U/ boffins do not give a cr*p about the quality of racing, or the interests of the spectator or enthusiast. The only thing that matters to them is their immense ego's and large doses of self importance. Chris is correct in that the Monaco GP should now only be used for Classic racing, until contemporary F1 vehicles are brought down to a realistic and proper size. Who in hells name thinks that a F1 car the size of a Long Wheel Base Ford Transit van can pass as the ultimate in racing car design. JC Amen to that!
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Post by chrisb on Jun 1, 2018 17:50:00 GMT
i third that emotion
incicdntally reading MS's Mark Hughes comments on the Russian guy in Williams seems to haveprovoked an interesting reaction, I do think it is to early to tell if he is any good but surely after such a short time to be showing up Strolling says so much
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Post by charleselan on Jun 1, 2018 18:44:38 GMT
i third that emotion incicdntally reading MS's Mark Hughes comments on the Russian guy in Williams seems to haveprovoked an interesting reaction, I do think it is to early to tell if he is any good but surely after such a short time to be showing up Strolling says so much Yes Chris, I have read that piece and the thoroughly distasteful comments following it. As we have mentioned before, MS only have themselves to blame for the standard of comment following that stupid decision in alignment with DiGust, what else did they expect. With regard to Sirotkin, just ask yourself what did they guy achieve before entering F1, did he win any worthwhile championships, or did he produce any outstanding drives? I have no idea as I have no interest in the feeder series these days as one make championships hold no fascination for me. The claim that one make series offer a level playing field is total tripe, as it merely depends on what team you are driving for, some teams are more equal than others. I just love your terms for Stroll, Chris, brilliant. I wish he would Stroll On and save us all from the embarrassment of hearing him whining over the in car communications. If Williams continue like this I cannot see them being around much longer, and the same applies to McLaren. How the mighty have fallen, and so rapidly. The next question, where are the new teams going to come from when those guys disappear?
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Post by chrisb on Jun 2, 2018 6:08:07 GMT
oh the comments were apalling - so much so even Mark H got a bit stroppy about them, but it is ridiculous that these types of people are 'allowed' to participate, I do hope MS with it's new editor gets it act together a bit more,
The trouble is, a bit like cricket now - with Murdoch's minions screwing that up I have no idea who is who is F2 or F3, Jamie did enlighten me a bit but without seeing any of the races or in reality having the inclination to watch some of the races of UToob I don't know what Sirotkin has achieved or has the capacity to achieve, but i so agree that the one-make series is a total bore, and am I thinking two new threads here?
slow burners - and one make series?
I do think Strollin will go to Sauber next year and think that cannot happen soon enough, is that a Murrayism?
Not given up on Williams as yet - Clare is a racer and Paddy has a point to prove, maybe the 'cap' will help them out or maybe they employ somone who can race - as for McLaren, 48 years on since his dreadful tragedy poor Bruce must be wincing at their state, I know Whitmarsh would not be keen but had they any sense McLaren would encourage his return, but they have a new 'investor/ shareholdr' to teh tune of £200m, well that will pay Alonso's wages for this year
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Post by René on Jun 2, 2018 8:59:16 GMT
I do think Strollin will go to Sauber next year and think that cannot happen soon enough, is that a Murrayism? Oh please no Chris! That would be a very bad move for Sauber (and Alfa) if they are really serious about moving up the grid. I do wish Lance all the best but I hope he strolls out of F1 asap!
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Post by Carl on Jun 2, 2018 16:06:29 GMT
I do think Strollin will go to Sauber next year and think that cannot happen soon enough, is that a Murrayism? Oh please no Chris! That would be a very bad move for Sauber (and Alfa) if they are really serious about moving up the grid. I do wish Lance all the best but I hope he strolls out of F1 asap!
There is little reason to wish the best for someone who consistently demonstrates the worst. I hope Lance Stroll enjoys all the success he deserves and thus remains miserable.
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