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Post by robmarsh on May 26, 2018 7:14:18 GMT
Max still has to get through qualifying. There may be a bit of over aggression that could lead to an early departure. I agree with you all about Grosjean, sad but true, as he comes across as a really nice guy. His career reminds me of "Jumper" Jarier, blindingly fast on occasion but lacking in consistency.
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Post by René on May 26, 2018 9:48:48 GMT
I still have faith in my young countryman and wouldn't be surprised if he managed to get the first pole position of his career this afternoon.
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Post by René on May 26, 2018 13:23:47 GMT
I still have faith in my young countryman and wouldn't be surprised if he managed to get the first pole position of his career this afternoon. For a change I will reply to my own post. Another big mistake by Max. Not looking good and if this continues maybe even Marko will lose faith. Still, the boy has three wins and so much talent. What's wrong? Too much pressure?
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Post by René on May 26, 2018 15:18:56 GMT
Big congrats to Daniel! Fastest in all sessions and no mistakes so a well deserved pole position. A strong second for Seb (Forza Ferrari ) and with Lewis third this is going to be excitng. Also good effort by Esteban Ocon to be best of the rest. A strange lack of pace for Magnussen by the way.
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Post by charleselan on May 26, 2018 17:34:18 GMT
Bit of a dilemma this afternoon as two big meetings coincided; firstly WSBK from Donington was being aired Free to View on UK Quest Channel and Monaco GP was live on UK C4. Tried to make the best of both and actually watched all of F1 qualification as well as a very good interview with Niki Lauda conducted by David Coultard (certainly better in this mode than in the coms box); always had time for Nicholas but these recent interviews have been truly excellent, he really is a one off.
It looks as though Max is keeping his record for 2018; the PR3 crunch was a carbon copy from his shunt in 2017. So we have him starting from the back and I doubt anyone would not put money on him tagging someone as he attempts to make his way forward. I still believe that Sainz junior should have been promoted ahead of him to the main team, but such is hype and the influence of Dr Marko!
In Ricciardo's hands the Red Bull looks to be very good, but very close behind. Some very good showings by other drivers; Gasley in the Toro Rosso Honda continues to impress, and a shame for Hartley who was very quick all weekend. Leclerc continues to prove that he is massively talented, and a decent kid as well; like the little tribute to his friend Jules Bianchi on his helmet.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 23:18:13 GMT
Well there you go, Ver-crash-en matching my expectations. Takes himself out of qualifying, trying to beat Ricciardo in FP3. But starting from 20th will allow him to make good progress in hitting every car on the grid this season, how many do we think he will get?
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Post by Carl on May 28, 2018 1:27:24 GMT
In the 1950s, Mobil Oil sponsored a fuel saving endurance event over several days they called The Mobil Economy Run. Winning contestants clung religiously to speed limits and tried never to touch their brake pedals. Sometime in the 1960s, Car & Driver senior editor Brock Yates made massive fun of the concept with his invented champion, Lloyd "Balloonfoot" Bodine. The Monaco Grand Prix was the Formula One equivalent. Pirelli can use "super" and "ultra" and "hyper" all they want, but the reality was a Pirelli Economy Run for which Mobil can't be blamed.
The only saving grace was the well-deserved victory of Daniel Ricciardo
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Post by robmarsh on May 28, 2018 7:07:33 GMT
I looked forward to this weekend with much anticipation only to be very disappointed with the race. The first stirrings of disquiet started in the first F2 race when cars of equal performance and able to follow right behind another car couldn't overtake. Modern technology has ensured that braking distances are too short, coupled with a very tight circuit with no long straights and the size of the modern F2 car there was simply no room.
When we came to the main event it was evident after six laps that modern F1 cars are simply too big, and too aero dependent to overtake on such a circuit. They probably couldn't even overtake at Indy given the effect of dirty air on a modern F1s aero packages. Sure MV made some overtaking moves but that was in a car that was vastly superior and he was assisted in that the overtakees gave him room as they were running their own races.
The only excitement came when Danny Ric had a power unit problem, but that lasted three laps until it became evident that with the modern tyres, the tightness of the circuit, the size of the cars, modern brakes and the technical coaching from the pits he was going to be safe. So we get a car 160 bhp down winning because of that. I am glad DR won because he drove well under difficult circumstances but was aided and abbetted by things that I don't believe add to the excitement of the sport.
I always used to look forward to the Monaco GP because of the unexpected result it often threw up and because the really top drivers showed their skill in a really difficult environment. The wow factor of watching a machine so powerful raging around in such tight confines was awe inspiring but after 5 hours of practice and qualifying that aspect had been satisfied.
Simply put the modern F1 car with it's size and braking ability no longer fits in Monaco. The race has become irrelevant.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 10:53:33 GMT
I reckon Ver-crash-en kept on target with his quest to 'get in touch with' every driver on the grid this season. Not as spectacularly as I'd expected from the back of the grid, but I'm pretty sure he put a touch on Sainz on the way into the nouvelle chicane. Nice work to keep the scoreboard ticking along and still get up to 9th. The score so far; Verstappen - Australia – driver induced collision), Hamilton (China), Vettel (Bahrain), Ricciardo (Baku) Stroll (Barcelona) Grosjean (Monaco FP2) Sainz (Monaco) 6 races, 7 contacts, 7 different drivers, 15 races to go, 13 drivers, plus the safety car to go. Come on Max, you can do this!!!!
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Post by charleselan on May 28, 2018 11:08:58 GMT
Give the lad a break Jim! . He did try not to make contact with anyone, mind you more than a little assistance from the guys he was behind quite literally jumping out of his way except for Carlos Jnr, who wasn't keen on yielding to his old sparring partner.
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Post by charleselan on May 28, 2018 11:16:11 GMT
I cannot add much more to that of Carl and Rob; it was a complete farce, even many of the leading drivers were critical of the event. Trying to race cars the size of commercial vehicles around that ludicrous circuit is nonsensical, and if honest has been for many years.
It is pretty obvious that Monaco is a place that holds a F1 race for the means to promote and give aggrandisement to the rich and privileged, a truly obnoxious spectacle.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 11:29:07 GMT
I looked forward to this weekend with much anticipation only to be very disappointed with the race. The wow factor of watching a machine so powerful raging around in such tight confines was awe inspiring but after 5 hours of practice and qualifying that aspect had been satisfied. Simply put the modern F1 car with it's size and braking ability no longer fits in Monaco. The race has become irrelevant. Hi Rob, I thought there was enough intrigue and incident to make that a very interesting race, right the way through the field. I enjoyed seeing the strategies and responses to the circumstances work out, working around the tyre issues. For Ricciardo wondering the nature and extent of his p.u problems. Also, for me wondering when Ver-crash-en was going to start punting cars into the barriers. I agree, the circuit is an anachronism, but its one race out of 21, it creates an unusual set of challenges for the teams and drivers, and it provides a real benchmark across the era's of F1.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 11:37:42 GMT
Give the lad a break Jim! . He did try not to make contact with anyone, mind you more than a little assistance from the guys he was behind quite literally jumping out of his way except for Carlos Jnr, who wasn't keen on yielding to his old sparring partner. No breaks for Ver-crash-en, he's a lad on a mission, and it's going to take all season ;-)
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 11:48:59 GMT
It is pretty obvious that Monaco is a place that holds a F1 race for the means to promote and give aggrandisement to the rich and privileged, a truly obnoxious spectacle. I think you've summed up the late Bernie-era F1 perfectly - 'a means to promote and give aggrandisement to the rich and privileged' Monaco's far from the only venue that meets that criteria, many of the team owners meet those criteria, and increasingly the drivers are the kids or proteges of the rich and privileged. It probably won't change under liberty media, because they need the money to pay off their debt. Despite all that, I'm a sucker for the obnoxious spectacle.
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Post by charleselan on May 28, 2018 16:17:38 GMT
Motort sport at the highest level, and to an extent lower, has always been the province of the wealthy. All of the "Bentley Boys' of the 1920's were millionaires, and I recall that Hermann Lang a simple mechanic was looked down upon by his wealthy Mercedes Benz team mates, even when he blew their doors off.
Like Lang there have been many others who have gone on to greatness without inherited wealth, but they are pretty much out numbered by those that have been helped on the way by monetary advantage. I doubt though that Stroll will ever ascend that ladder even with the money his Daddy has at his disposal.
Monaco just brings the worst of this nauseous display of wealth to the forefront. I hate these so called "grid walks" which at Monaco just ooze decadence and vulgarity. The "grid walk" would have more meritocracy if the Prima-donnas at the sharp end were actually made to talk to the interviewers, the same applies to the MotoGP superstars. Of course they cannot be interviewed just before the race as they are in the "Zone" which is total garbage; the guys in WSBK; BSB and other categories talk on the grid and they are as much in focus as these Prima-donnas.
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