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Post by chrisb on May 4, 2018 9:04:36 GMT
Rob, i can appreciate what you are saying re DRS but it just doesn't do it for me, whether or not the drivers have all the control, i did like the original concept , because it was original but I totally agree with your second paragraph
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Post by charleselan on May 4, 2018 10:41:04 GMT
It always interested me that movable aerodynamic devices are illegal, yet DRS was allowed which is a movable aero device. Just proves that rules can be changed to suit, just a shame that they don't get a grip on the things that really need addressing.
I agree entirely with the fact that F1 never has been about constant place changes, unless it was Monza and Reims of old. As Rob states it was about the unknown variables, so many of which have been eliminated by modern technological advances.
With regard to Red Bull and Honda, I can't see that they have much choice. Renault are sick and tired of being rubbished by the the team owned by a noxious drink Barron. I thought that it was the French manufacturer that announced the deal was coming to an end at the close of 2018, so no where else for RB to go but Honda.
Honda have taken a huge amount of flack in the three years with McLaren which was unjustified as they were attempting to catch up with others who had a huge head start, and not helped by a McLaren team that is a shadow of its former days. It is interesting to see that McLaren have been found out this year and had its clearly displayed that they do not have a top notch chassis after all.
Honda will come good, especially when the new engine rules come into force.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 13:52:00 GMT
Me too I fully expect Honda to come good, I have never had any doubt.
I understand that the teams have to declare by June or something what engine they will have next year, so RB need to do their assessment now.
Sensible opinion piece from Hughes:
It will be interesting to see whether Verstappen changes tack or if he will persevere undaunted.
Errare humanum est, perseverare autem diabolicum...
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Post by chrisb on May 4, 2018 17:43:21 GMT
Lucio, I too have read Mark's piece and feel a bit relieved that someone has finally come out and actually said what everyone is thinking, i do think the only definite thing that will come out of this is Daniel moving on, maybe another will be is that Max will be the no 1 driver and get all the new goodies first
Exactly John, it is also false - whereas the kinetic device would have been great for all, incl us poor demented car users
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Post by charleselan on May 4, 2018 19:27:29 GMT
I have read Mark Hughes' piece as well and it is refreshing that someone in the media has "grown some" and said what most rational and genuine enthusiasts have been saying. However he completely expunges Ricciardo of any responsibility which isn't correct, his "dive bomb" overtaking technique is, as Chris says earlier, totally reliant on someone giving him room or having a crash, isn't that the very same as the move everyone was critical of with Ayrton? Seems a bit hypercritical to me.
However I stand by my initial observation and that is the fact the team principles are to blame for not instructing Max to move over and let the obviously faster Daniel go. Their gnashing of teeth and apportioning of blame on its two "hot shoes" is typical of that organisation and personnel; I really cannot stand that shower.
Max's double, or more, moves should have been sorted by the FIA after he could have killed Kimi at Spa. Everyone knows that but these limp wristed officials were lamentable in their response at the time, and the same applies to the last race in Baku.
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Post by Carl on May 4, 2018 20:43:15 GMT
John Charles, Well said and for the most part I agree, but my impression of Ricciardo is that he normally moves into an existing gap, free space unclaimed by anyone until he suddenly is there, limiting by his boldness the response of the other driver either to stay wide or otherwise back off.
What happened after the final safety car in Baku was, I believe, different. He had twice nearly passed his slower teammate and twice had to back off to avoid contact. When Max then blocked with an illegal second move, I think Daniel was prepared to ram someone blocking intentionally.
Cheers, Carl
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Post by René on May 4, 2018 22:01:23 GMT
It's obvious now Mark Hughes is reading our forum.
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Post by chrisb on May 5, 2018 5:01:26 GMT
given the 'excitement' the pace car always generates does this mean it will become compulsory?
what I like about Danny's overtaking is that it is clean, neat and considered however, against a habitual blocker like say Perez, it probably wouldn't work but I am sure Daniel would have sussed that out as others did at Jarier or De Cesaris and had his plan c ready. I do wonder if his competitors know this and alluding to Senna's overtaking his competitors knew he wouldn't back off so rather than risk life or limb they backed off, although not using the intimidation style tactics of Senna, Daniel is, in my view, doing the same - but against his 'team mate' who reminded me of Gandalf "you shall not pass" I do think that Daniel got frustrated and also saw it as an opportunity to put the young one 'in his place' - not sure on that though
Rene, should we invite Mark and Max et al to join our forum?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 11:41:44 GMT
given the 'excitement' the pace car always generates does this mean it will become compulsory? I do think that Daniel got frustrated and also saw it as an opportunity to put the young one 'in his place' - not sure on that though I think that Ricciardo thought that he had a tyre grip advantage, as Verstappen had just pitted, and Ricciardo had a lap on his new tyres. And since it had taken him 35 laps to pass Verstappen the first time, opportunities were in short supply. As for compulsory safety car, I could see that coming in, on a random lap for a random number of laps, probably to provide an advertising break on the Over the top app. (Sorry just being cynical).
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