Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 21:05:27 GMT
Watched that too, for a change.
Sorry, too random for my taste.
We used to accept Monte Carlo as the place to play roulette once a year, but now it's happening at every race.
Red Bull. The guy ahead was weaving all over the track, you are allowed to defend your position only once, Max doesn't follow the racing code and nobody - except Lauda today - says a word.
|
|
|
Post by Carl on Apr 29, 2018 21:48:13 GMT
I'm a bit worried about Grosjean too, he's been having a poor season, but Baku has been a proper nightmare. Time to call in his mental coach to pull him out of his tailspin. Well done Jim, There's been no better recent prophecy... It seems F1 drivers are susceptible to the same brain-fade as people driving and talking on their cellphones. Cheers, Carl
|
|
|
Post by René on Apr 29, 2018 21:59:15 GMT
Watched that too, for a change. Sorry, too random for my taste. We used to accept Monte Carlo as the place to play roulette once a year, but now it's happening at every race. Red Bull. The guy ahead was weaving all over the track, you are allowed to defend your position only once, Max doesn't follow the racing code and nobody - except Lauda today - says a word. Apparently everybody watched this, for a change! But sorry Lucio, I am not with you on this one. I can recall dozens of races from the good old past that were by far not as exciting as this one. The lottery factor was the safety car, otherwise it would have been a solid victory for Vettel. As for Red Bull, Max was not weaving 'all over the place'. It's about moving in the braking zone. He was on the edge for sure but Danny made an error of judgement this time. Both were to blame. Stewards investigated the incident and concluded both men were to blame for the crash.
They said Verstappen had "made two moves, both of which were relatively minor" but Ricciardo "admitted he left his move to overtake on the left too late".
The stewards concluded: "Although the incident had its origins in the moves by (Verstappen), (Ricciardo) also contributed to the incident.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 22:09:36 GMT
"Although the incident had its origins in the moves by (Verstappen), (Ricciardo) also contributed to the incident. Sic et simpliciter. Plus, Monsieur La Palisse. Read that again:
|
|
|
Post by René on Apr 29, 2018 22:15:21 GMT
"Although the incident had its origins in the moves by (Verstappen), (Ricciardo) also contributed to the incident. Sic et simpliciter. Plus, Monsieur La Palisse. Read that again:
Ricciardo " admitted he left his move to overtake on the left too late".
|
|
|
Post by Carl on Apr 29, 2018 22:28:05 GMT
I think the track configuration in Baku, with its extremely fast straight and very tight confines elsewhere, lends itself to desperate racing. There are many places passing is theoretically possible, but with great risk.
As he often does, I think Niki Lauda best described the incredible coming together at Red Bull, although I would say it was 80/20 and Daniel's contribution lay in trusting his teammate to abide by one move.
It's a damn shame that the smartest approaches were ruined first by the random appearance of the safety car then by the randomness of debris and Chris and I may file an appeal on behalf of our choice to win.
|
|
|
Post by robmarsh on Apr 30, 2018 6:21:39 GMT
Ah the vagaries of 1F. Seb has been lucky once but the dominant driver in the last three races and has two victories to his name instead of four. Kimi may have had one. Valteri could have had two but has none. Danny Ric has one, The Weapon of Max Destruction could have had one but has none. Hamilton hasn't looked like a winner since race one has one and leads the championship instead of Seb or Valteri
The only consistency is the pace car deciding races, three out of four, and WMD having an accident in each race, four from four.
I thought Leclerc and Sainz were excellent and deserved their rewards. Alonso did amazing things with a badly damaged car.
Finally, believe it or not, I am finally used to the halo and it no longer bothers me, the races are far too interesting for that.
|
|
|
Post by Carl on Apr 30, 2018 7:38:42 GMT
I thought Baku was an exciting race until the anticlimax at the end. I was disappointed for Vettel and especially for Bottas, whose perfect race strategy was abruptly punctured.
I wonder if the FIA was persuaded by Marko and Mateschitz to blame both drivers when their golden boy recklessly dared his teammate for the third time in Baku. Twice, Daniel Ricciardo backed off to avoid contact. The third time he did not. Niki Lauda's assessment was more judicious than the dubious false equivalence of the FIA.
The best use of the halos is by the broadcast network, using the top bar for a graphic display of brake force applied, gear selection, throttle and rpm. It's better than a distressed swoosh of carbon fiber. Carbon fiber is unattractive, but because it's trendy it's offered as expensive interior trim by many manufacturers, whose customers confirm in a small way that there's no fool like a rich one.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 7:44:33 GMT
I'm a bit worried about Grosjean too, he's been having a poor season, but Baku has been a proper nightmare. Time to call in his mental coach to pull him out of his tailspin. Well done Jim, There's been no better recent prophecy... It seems F1 drivers are susceptible to the same brain-fade as people driving and talking on their cellphones. Cheers, Carl During the race I was thinking "RoGro is having a great race, getting up to 7th (I think) before the safety car. Fantastic, this will get him back on track", then he self sabotages in such a spectacularly stupid way.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 8:24:25 GMT
I was a bit annoyed with Vettel, his dive down into Turn 1 after the safety car was impetuous, and unnecessary. The chances of the move sticking were very low, and he had the car and tyres to attack Bottas all the way to the flag if necessary. Going for the 'glory shots' like that is going to make it harder to win such a tightly contested title race, drivers, or constructors.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 9:06:07 GMT
I've had a downer on Ver-crash-en pretty much since his crash into Grosjean in Monaco 2015. That made me think that he's a liability. In my eyes he's impetuous and reckless, and not just with his own safety. My view has been that this season he has set out to beat Ricciardo, because he thinks he is Red Bull's number 1 driver (presumably because RBR are paying him a bigger salary than Ricciardo, gave him a 3 year contract, and his dad says so). In previous races this year, he was just trying too hard, but, in Baku he appeared to be prepared to do anything to avoid having Ricciardo pass him, including collide.
The collision that took him and Ricciardo out, was poorly judged by Ricciardo, but easily avoidable by Ver-crash-en. We saw in the F2 races, and Vettel's attempt on Bottas, when someone is lunging up the inside like at turn 1, moving right, letting the attacker slide through, and taking the tighter line keeps your position - flat spots their tyres too. Thats what the smart drivers were doing.
In previous (less safe) era's Ver-crash-en would probably have killed himself, and/or someone else. These days he just screws up races for himself, his Team, and his competitors. It frustrates me. Time for Jackie Stewart to sit him down and have the 'Senna' chat - "if you see a tiny glimmer of a gap, laddie, and you no longer go for it, you're becoming an intelligent racing driver".
|
|
|
Post by charleselan on Apr 30, 2018 9:37:27 GMT
Is it just me, but does it not cross others minds that Red Bull and weak team management were largely to blame for the outcome in Baku. I had the distinct feeling that Ricciardo was the quicker, especially considering that Max had a problem, which apparently was also affecting Ricciardo but not quite so badly.
Where was the common sense being displayed, and the firm team leadership on the Red Bull pit counter. The instruction should have been given to Max to let Daniel through and see what pace he actually had. They were not fighting for the lead, just good placings. Can anyone here imagine how Ken Tyrrell or Colin Chapman would have handled it, let alone Ross Brawn in his hey day. Very poor team management by Red Bull in my opinion. The initial collisions between the two pointed towards the eventual outcome, but where were the team principals sorting it out. All very good letting them race, but they know the two characters involved better than anyone, it isn't rocket science. Put a fox in a hen house and he isn't just going to say "good evening ladies".
|
|
|
Post by René on Apr 30, 2018 9:45:16 GMT
The collision that took him and Ricciardo was poorly judged by Ricciardo, but easily avoidable by Ver-crash-en. Yes I have to agree with this. I know I have the tendency to defend my young countryman, maybe sometimes even against my better judgement. But I have re-watched the crash several times now and your conclusion couldn't be more true. Danny's move was not well judged this time but Max should have left him room to avoid a crash. I first had the feeling this was a 50/50 thing but it's not. I agree it's more 80/20 with Max being 80. He needs to get it together soon, otherwise his career could take a fall. His popularity already has.
|
|
|
Post by René on Apr 30, 2018 10:33:08 GMT
Is it just me, but does it not cross others minds that Red Bull and weak team management were largely to blame for the outcome in Baku. I agree and already mentioned this in one of my previous posts. The team now blames the drivers but they need to look in the mirror also.
|
|
|
Post by René on Apr 30, 2018 10:35:48 GMT
Watched that too, for a change. Sorry, too random for my taste. We used to accept Monte Carlo as the place to play roulette once a year, but now it's happening at every race. Red Bull. The guy ahead was weaving all over the track, you are allowed to defend your position only once, Max doesn't follow the racing code and nobody - except Lauda today - says a word. I am moving towards you. First thought it was an over ambitious move by Danny only. It was but Max should have left him more room. This was avoidable.
|
|