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Post by robmarsh on Feb 1, 2018 10:13:50 GMT
I agree with all the comments especially the ones re the grid walk and useless celebrities on the track and in the pits. Why is it that the people who can afford things the most eg celebrities get all the freebies and the true enthusiasts who keep the sport going receive nothing. I for one would not like to be in the same space as the celebrities but would welcome the chance to talk to team personnel. Sadly even they think they are of great importance to how the world rotates and therefore in the main too lofty to speak to normal people. I am sure the young ladies in question will find more work.
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Post by charleselan on Feb 1, 2018 13:30:51 GMT
I agree with all the comments especially the ones re the grid walk and useless celebrities on the track and in the pits. Why is it that the people who can afford things the most eg celebrities get all the freebies and the true enthusiasts who keep the sport going receive nothing. I for one would not like to be in the same space as the celebrities but would welcome the chance to talk to team personnel. Sadly even they think they are of great importance to how the world rotates and therefore in the main too lofty to speak to normal people. I am sure the young ladies in question will find more work. Rob, My belief is that it is a case of misplaced one up man ship initiated by Ecclestone who thought (wrongly) that by having these beings parade around the paddock/pits & grid for all to see would somehow make his show more important and prestigious than other sports. Red Bull and Mercedes Benz are as bad for they often have this flotsam around with privileged passes, all to give their brand some credibility. I have absolutely no problem with the likes of George Harrison or Leo Sayer, in the past, being there as they were ardent motor sport enthusiasts and weren't there to promote themelves. Neither do I have an issue, or not so much, with a driver or rider having a friend attend with a special pass as that is just a normal human reaction; I would do the same if I were in that position. As you mention an interesting debate.
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Post by robmarsh on Feb 1, 2018 14:51:22 GMT
good points Charles re Harrison and Sayer. There are a few other petrol heads amongst the music stars, Nick Mason springs to mind as does Chris Rea. I have no problem with those or even the drivers friends, as you say that's normal. It is when we continually get shown the likes of Michael Douglas, Vlad Putin or some such person in the middle of a race that I don't like.
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Post by chrisb on Feb 1, 2018 21:08:56 GMT
Gentleman, to me an enthusiast irrespective of class or distinction are there to see a motor race, how it ticks and for an adrenalin moment, many years ago the likes of the Duke of Kent could be seen, not using his social status, but photographing the cars and the stars, a real enthusiast, as was dear George etc, they always seemed to avoid the media scrum not seek it out, but the likes of Vlad the impaler - which seems so similar to another dictator or two from history this is a political statement - others just seek to satisfy their ego's not their interests-
the grid walk be it DC or Martin are, unless they speak with Niki or similar, awful and time for a cup of tea- it does nothing whatsoever to raise anticipation or excitement - rather the opposite for me, but I do like the grid walk at the Moto GP, Charles I don't watch the BT coverage so don't really know Neil's style on the grid, I have listened to him elsewhere and he seems really impressive - wonder what is going to happen to that contract?
Carl, great idea, grandstand seats for the 'stars' and their entourages - oh- only trouble is, was it at Silverstone wouldn't that bankrupt the stars?
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Post by chrisb on Feb 4, 2018 9:10:10 GMT
just checking the BBC comments on the forthcoming season and as hardly surprising all the focus is on the grid girls, it either puts F1 into general perspective or sums up the BBC's views on motor sport
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Post by charleselan on Feb 4, 2018 14:21:10 GMT
just checking the BBC comments on the forthcoming season and as hardly surprising all the focus is on the grid girls, it either puts F1 into general perspective or sums up the BBC's views on motor sport 50/50 I would venture Chris; both need a complete clean out. Cannot stand that clown who writes the BBC motor sport stuff pity he can't sit down and write something really meaningful. His greatest drivers of all time, done some time back, was so bad it made one want throw up. Interestingly Niki Laura has put his thoughts on the grid girl ban into the arena, typically Niki he does not agree with getting rid of them. It is also interesting that there is a solid group of women who feel that banning them is in fact sexist in itself, as it takes away the women's working opportunities.
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Post by Carl on Feb 4, 2018 17:06:13 GMT
The bizarre irony may be that Bernie Ecclestone (with a nudge from Mad Max) apparently started the parade and then immediately pretended to ignore all the young beauties because none would give him the time of day.
Mosley never understood why they couldn't march just so and turned to shady private contractors.
Sic transit malum.
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Post by René on Feb 5, 2018 16:22:51 GMT
Interestingly Niki Laura has put his thoughts on the grid girl ban into the arena, typically Niki he does not agree with getting rid of them. It is also interesting that there is a solid group of women who feel that banning them is in fact sexist in itself, as it takes away the women's working opportunities. I like Niki a lot and he mostly talks a lot of sense. Also in this case his opinion is more nuanced than many of the other comments on this topic. He even proposed to mix the girls with grid boys! But still, in this case I do not entirely agree with him. Don't get me wrong, I am all in favour of some political incorrectness at times and I do appreciate a pretty woman very much! But after having seen and heard the extreme sexist and degrading replies on some sites and car/sports tv shows on this subject I am more convinced this is a good step. Women need our respect.
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Post by robmarsh on Feb 5, 2018 16:42:10 GMT
Absolutely Rene well put.
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Post by robmarsh on Feb 5, 2018 17:44:12 GMT
I see that they will now have young racers from each country the GP takes place instead of the grid girls. I think that is excellent thinking and imagine how inspiring that will be for the youngsters.
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Post by charleselan on Feb 5, 2018 18:22:25 GMT
I see that they will now have young racers from each country the GP takes place instead of the grid girls. I think that is excellent thinking and imagine how inspiring that will be for the youngsters. I have just heard that as well Rob, it will be interesting to see how it goes. Just noticed that in my earlier comment I appeared to have referred to Niki as Niki Laura, that in all honesty was not deliberate but the flaming predictive text acting up yet again, I did actually type Lauda. Predictive text and Halos whatever next!!
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Post by chrisb on Feb 6, 2018 6:53:18 GMT
totally agree Rene, especially as today in the UK we are celebrating the 100th anniversary of women getting a partial vote - and Rob, this is something that they do in Soccer and it strikes me as an inspired idea-
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Post by robmarsh on Feb 6, 2018 7:47:24 GMT
Charles I thought you were calling him Laura due to a running joke on the MS forum back in the day when things were fun. He came out as Laura then, due no doubt to predictive text, and it kind of stayed. I think because he was being provocative as usual.
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Post by charleselan on Feb 9, 2018 9:56:08 GMT
It would now appear that the already infamous "toilet seat" has to withstand the weight of a London Double Decker bus. How may one ask could the alternative and trialed "screen" act in any way as a protective measure against such a downward force?
So we can now see the real motivation in the implementation of these terrible and appalling devices, it is not there to deflect debris or flying car parts but a certain organisations fear of legal recourse for culpable failings in a young mans needless death.
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Post by robmarsh on Feb 9, 2018 12:35:58 GMT
Yep Charles, it always was about legal recourse once they said it could protect lives in certain instances. Failing to have implemented it would have left them open to the specific vulture like lawyers that specialise in making money out of a tragic event-not for the benefit of the victims family but for themselves. Seems like not even a responsibility waiver counts in these instances.
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