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Post by Carl on Mar 20, 2018 20:27:26 GMT
"Don't pick on me or my friend will beat you up!!" -Toto
"Don't hit me. I'm wearing glasses!!" -Sergio
toto and topolino are bullshit artists.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 21:09:03 GMT
Topolino LOL What I find interesting is the fact Mercedes is backing Ferrari, it's the main difference wrt previous Ferrari threats.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 18:46:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 18:57:38 GMT
Seems it's a placeholder for an US advertising block.
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Post by Carl on Mar 22, 2018 0:35:41 GMT
Lachlan is of course one of Rupert Murdoch's idiotic sons and any connection the Murdochs have to American commercial interests must involve fraudulence. Martin Brundle should choose his own music and make it a tight 1:45 punk anthem.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 7:28:57 GMT
I thought Peter Finch's characterization of Sergio Marchionne (ante litteram) was masterly. Shopping channel...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 8:26:16 GMT
Piero Ferrari – via Turrini – on the start of the WC, to the masses of tifosi in St Peter Square... "We feel, in Maranello as in Australia, as students on the eve of an exam. We prepared ourselves, we struggled on the books ..."
"Marchionne has my own state of mind. I envy all those who have certainties. Often the differences, in today's motor racing, are reduced to thousandths, at most hundreths of a second. There is a very thin line between between winners or losers ..."
"Of this post-modern Formula One we can say everything and the opposite of everything and I understand certain perplexities. But I like that with the power units, the centrality of the engine has been restored. The Formula One era was dominated by the aerodynamics, the blown outlets, those things there. Then, obviously, it’s not nice at all the Mercedes winning the championships..."
"My father died in 1988, thirty years ago. After that, seven championships have been won by Michael, four Hamilton and Vettel, three Senna. More than a half..."
"Dad had had time to meet Ayrton, there was a moment when he had tried to hire him. But I think he would have liked more, among the four, Michael. Perhaps because he has the last one to make the difference, to be able to win even when he didn’t have the best car and sometimes it did happen he didn’t have it…”
If I may.
One. Schumacher two of those seven weren't win on a Ferrari. So whatever the argument he's making, it doesn't hold.
Two. Although not a peculiar Senna fan, I would have loved to see Ayrton racing Ferraris, whilst I thoroughly loathed Schumacher's Ferrari years to the point I did not bother to follow the F1 season, at all. Apologies to the tifosi, but that's how it was for me.
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Post by René on Mar 22, 2018 9:22:43 GMT
It's also not very clear to me what Piero is trying to say here. Yes, there is a lot of emphasis on the power unit now but Ferrari has not won a championship in this new era yet and aero is still king. As for the championships, I think he means that the four drivers combined have won 18 championships which is more than half of 30... but I am not sure what he means.. I partly agree with you about the Schumacher/Ferrari years. From a die hard Ferrari fan perspective there were many highs and lows. Getting Schumacher on board for 1996 was an obvious choice, even if I had to get used to the idea. But to win you need the best and Michael obviously was and Alesi wasn't. The win in Barcelona in the rain was magic and his presence really lifted the team to a new level. But Jerez 97 was clearly painful, and I mean Schumacher's action more than losing the championship. But I will never forget Japan 2000. I waited 21 years for a driver's title and when Michael won it I was very emotional and I couldn't stop crying for quite a while. That was really big for me. I remember family and friends calling me that day to congratulate me! Seriously. When the Schumi/Ferrari train became too dominant (2002/2004) it was not good for the sport and even for me as a tifosi it was too much, certainly with some stupid actions like Austria. Victory is just so much sweeter after a real fight.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 10:23:00 GMT
Well balanced assessment, Rene'. If all tifosi were like you.
The thing I miss most as far as a team like Ferrari is concerned, is they used to make the reputation of the drivers they hired. Now, it's been quite a while actually, they can only rely on established world champions to deliver. By the look of last year, not even on some of them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 12:23:53 GMT
It can be claimed that the overall picture has changed, that Ferrari is not anymore a marque but a "brand", in fact the most recognizable brand in the world, more than Coca Cola, and have become risk-adverse, without effectively being capable to win with some regularity just the same.
My feeling, and that is also partly why I have been investigating in the other thread how they used to behave wrt drivers and upcoming hotshots, is that the Old Man understood a driver in a way that his heirs (of blood, Piero, or acquired, Montezemolo and Marchionne) will never match. He had a knack he could see through, even by not attending races, only by watching in TV. That is where he found Lauda (Monaco GP 1973), for example. Then building the case around his own hunch. And he was passionate about drivers, besides his own cars, he knew that drivers make the fortune of the sport, they capture people's imagination. I am sure he would have preferred Dovizioso or the younger Rossi any time to the string of second rate second drivers they have hired over the last three decades. [Although a pairing Alboreto-Johansson, or Tambay, is difficult to forgive]
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Post by Carl on Mar 22, 2018 15:57:11 GMT
I will always believe Schumacher deliberately crashed Damon Hill at Adelaide and should have been disqualified. Unfortunately, the ethically defective Ecclestone was in charge. Bernie liked that sort of ruthlessness.
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Post by charleselan on Mar 22, 2018 17:46:45 GMT
I will always believe Schumacher deliberately crashed Damon Hill at Adelaide and should have been disqualified. Unfortunately, the ethically defective Ecclestone was in charge. Bernie liked that sort of ruthlessness. Any rational being would come up with the same conclusion as you Carl, for if anyone wanted compelling evidence to that effect one only had to witness the actions of Michael in following years. I am truly sorry in what happened to him post racing career but his legacy is seriously tainted by his actions over many seasons. Likewise the Ferrari "dominance" of that period which to my eyes was aided by the complicity of the poison duo. I was near vomiting every time some hapless commentator interviewed "the ethically defective Ecclestone" (goodness that is a brilliantly constructed phrase that fits the subject to a capital "T") with "who do you think will win Bernie?" response "Oh! Michael and Ferrari". Utterly disgusting and so arrogantly dishonest! This incidentally isn't a "pop" at Ferrari, far from it, as I am a fan of them and always have been; it is a critique of the machinations that assisted them in that period. No wonder poor old Ron Dennis became so embittered as McLaren and others had one hand tied behind their backs thanks to the favours handed out elsewhere. For me the Niki Lauda Ferrari success in the 1970's was far more meritorious, and showed Ferrari at its very greatest.
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Post by René on Mar 22, 2018 19:00:36 GMT
Couldn't agree more. Schumacher should have been disqualified and taken out of the championship in 1994, just as Senna should have been in 1990.
It remains an intruiging mystery why two of the most gifted racing drivers of all times felt the need (...) to use such tactics at times.
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Post by René on Mar 22, 2018 19:18:29 GMT
Well balanced assessment, Rene'. If all tifosi were like you.
The thing I miss most as far as a team like Ferrari is concerned, is they used to make the reputation of the drivers they hired. Now, it's been quite a while actually, they can only rely on established world champions to deliver. By the look of last year, not even on some of them.
I am sure there are more fans like me, be it Ferrari fans or fans of a driver. But I know there are also 'fans' who take themselves way too serious and become intolerant. I hate that too. You're right about Ferrari and its driver choices. They play it way too safe which is shame.
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Post by chrisb on Mar 22, 2018 20:51:08 GMT
I was beside myself at Adelaide in 1994, I couldn't believe what I had witnessed and 23 years on has not lessened that bitterness I felt that day, but by then I had been hearing all kinds of nasty rumours and accusations that were quickly buried, including Ayrton's accusations,
I met Michael in 1995 at Silverstone on a Goodyear testing day and a more charming, friendly person you couldn't wish to meet, off-camera he really was a lovely bloke, then 97 and many other instances happened that I couldn't comprehend, why was this guy whose driving could be astonishing resort to these bully boy tactics, like Senna I just didn't understand it and I still don't. I just don't know why he had to it and am so saddened by it
my friends, we all have our passions mine was always the terribly flawed genius of Lotus and whilst I was never an out and out fan I sure had some respect for Ferrari, especially those beautiful engines, but after the 'how do you measure a barge board Ross' fiasco and the acknowledgement of rule 'encouragement' I am sorry that just didn't work for me, and the poisoned duo really screwed us all - with regards to their driver choices and their 'careful' approach, I am disappointed, when you think 65 years ago Enzo took a punt at Mike Hawthorn from nowhere and he didn't too bad, and then what 40 odd years ago they took a chance on some little guy called Gilles, seem to remember he was a bit quick....
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