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Post by René on Mar 15, 2018 16:47:27 GMT
I haven’t really got an idea on my own, as I haven’t thought the matter through properly, but what Johansson says makes a lot of sense. 1. Minimize downforce, no more than 30-40% of current values. 2. Increase power, 200-300 HP more, simplify engines, increase straight top speed. 3. Reduce weight drastically – no more than 500-550kg. 4. Free tires technology, open to multiple providers. 5. Make circuits such that going off road means end of the race or just about that. 6. Ban radio communications completely. Use only for safety communications directly from the race direction.
The result would be cars much more difficult to drive, edge-of-their-seat kind of driving. Less speed carried in curve due to the reduction in downforce, partly compensated by the tires open technology, which improves and fosters overtaking skills.
You're talking too much sense here Lucio. They will never listen to you!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 17:39:11 GMT
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Post by chrisb on Mar 15, 2018 17:42:39 GMT
too true Lucio, you really are talking sense, i really love torquey engines and when i last saw proper F1 cars [the V10's] the power coming out of a corner - just made you go, " yea, cool" now, mm yea whatever
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Post by Carl on Mar 16, 2018 0:22:19 GMT
When Toto Wolff and Bernie Ecclestone both warn not to provoke Ferrari, the recipient should then provoke at will. At least Liberty is focusing on what may improve competition, a goal that when realized benefits any sport. Bernie Ecclestone made many deals, some comprehensive, some separate and bilateral, some speculative, some possibly still secret, every one benefiting himself first and most. At no time was Ecclestone constrained by ethics or morality. No large corporation is likely to be confused with Aristides, but Liberty has an obligation as a member of NASDAQ stock exchange not to behave like a sneak thief. Ecclestone is a repulsive parasite. Mercedes and Ferrari want their special revenue status continued. Therefore provoke... Sincerely, Marcus Aurelius
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 8:33:36 GMT
Well, Carl, I am in the middle on this.
Liberty have bought the sport (how can a sport be "bought"? surely it's not a sport then) and are trying to make the most of it for their own interests. The problem is that all I have heard from them is "NASCAR" and "NFL". They don't know any better than American "sports". All that, particularly the NFL parallel, tells me they haven't got a clue of what they are dealing with.
Ferrari - who menace to leave every other year - and Merc have their vested interests, which they do not try to hide, but know, have been in F1 and made, let's be clear, the fortune of it.
As it stands, I have already said that what F1 has become does not interest me, so as a bystander and humble studious of the history of the sport, for once I really would like to see Ferrari finally leave. As a studious of the sport, and a researcher by profession, I just would like to see the effect. Shame it won't happen. They will bargain the engine formula for preserving the aero regs, so that everybody will be happy and live with it. The "sport" obviously then will be only watched by those (few) who will pay to view it, to finally become totally irrelevant.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 13:07:43 GMT
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Post by Carl on Mar 16, 2018 15:55:58 GMT
Lucio,
I haven't closely followed the various talking points, but if Liberty views NASCAR as an ideal, Grand Prix racing will be far less grand. And I agree that a sport should not be owned and can be only after being corrupted, which the relatively straightforward Formula One became courtesy of Ecclestone and Mosley, who schemed for ownership, abused all principles of sport, then took the money and ran.
The naive team owners, while never innocent, were like babes in the wood and Ecclestone the rabid wolf.
All we can do is hope for the best outcome somehow to emerge.
Cheers, Carl
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 18:37:24 GMT
What I am thinking is that top level sport has changed beyond recognition, in front of our eyes. And I am referring not just to F1, but to football (soccer), to road cycling, the Olympics. Everything is a big business, first and foremost, the sport comes later. You can see Real Madrid and Barcelona, recent additions thanks to the Arabs are Manchester City and PSG (Paris St Germain), they are the Ferraris of football. The top European clubs have been playing with the idea of setting up their Europe-wide championship for years, effectively an NFL of European soccer. Because they want to share the huge TV revenues between themselves. The same is happening in F1. How long before the main teams, the manufacturers - Ferrari, Merc, etc - wake up and realize that they don't need a third party to take a huge cut of the revenues THEY create? Think it is just a matter of right of vetoes and $100m more or less to earn?
EDIT: not referring particularly to you, Carl. Just thinking aloud.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 18:51:02 GMT
Ecclestone was the cornerstone that kept the whole thing together, dividing and conquering, usually with the help of another dollop of millions of dollars. With him gone and a smooth operator like Marchionne around, well, it's open hunting season, by the look of it.
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Post by Carl on Mar 16, 2018 22:01:01 GMT
Lucio, No offense taken. In fact you are correct to think that I am a top level sport and that I often change beyond recognition, usually to hide from scornful women. Seriously, I agree that the profit motive has moved into sport to disastrous effect. A nightmarish scenario: In 50 years, seven or eight massive conglomerates will control the world and influence every aspect of life. Yearning for personal freedom will be a civil offense. Everyone will be identified by their corporate tattoo. Organized religion will be subsumed and hymns replaced by songs celebrating Samsung and Ford. In 2020, Lewis Hamilton will secretly become the first driver sponsored by Scientology. You'll know when Tom Cruise sits near Toto and Niki. In this dystopian world, Orwell will rise from the grave to say "I told you so". I won't care because by then I'll be living at the Emirates Palace Hotel in Abu Dhabi with my sweet Anna Belle !! Anna Belle... Attachment Deleted Cheers, Carl
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Post by Carl on Mar 16, 2018 22:04:55 GMT
Ecclestone was the cornerstone that kept the whole thing together, dividing and conquering, usually with the help of another dollop of millions of dollars. With him gone and a smooth operator like Marchionne around, well, it's open hunting season, by the look of it. Ecclestone's natural element is a chaotic muddle. A confidence artist thrives on confusion.
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Post by Carl on Mar 17, 2018 3:58:26 GMT
Re Lucio, Congratulations on ascending to the throne! You can now contact Mark Hughes and command an early draft be sent to you... Cheers, Carl
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Post by chrisb on Mar 17, 2018 7:10:39 GMT
Carl, some guy called Orwell had this crystal ball, it was called 1984 - a bit premature perhaps but I think you are in good company, Anne Bell notwithstanding
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Post by Jamie on Mar 17, 2018 7:23:29 GMT
The McLaren MP4 is usually credited as the first F1 car with carbon fibre, perhaps because it actually raced while the 88 never did, but they came out pretty much at the same time if I remember correctly. The construction was very different: the Lotus was made up of composite panels joined together, to replicate the way it was done with the classic aluminium alloy monocoque, while the McLaren was made by laying plies in a mould and then cured in autoclave and provide a proper shell, which is the current way to do it in aerospace. McLaren famously went to America, to Hercules Aerospace, to make it as the technology was quite novel at the time. Lucio - do I remember you saying that you completed a thesis on the MP4 tub for your degree (or something similar). I'd love to read that if so, perhaps Motorsport could run it as an article
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Post by Jamie on Mar 17, 2018 7:51:20 GMT
Completely missed the Florida race, I thought it was on tonight. Spec series might work for Indy, but not for F1, it would be the end of the concept after a century of GP racing - which as it stands we are already close enough, as all cars look the same... Wonderful as Indycar racing is (I'm a fan) I must agree that F1 shouldn't be a spec chassis formula - for me it should be about the technical innovation possible when the need to go faster than the team next door drives development. However, what F1 lacks and Indycar seems to have in spades is a sensible 'behind the scenes' team who know how to fix things when they've gone too far. Indycars of the last few seasons were uninspiring so they did something about it....excellent work. F1's ship turns far, far too slowly as its all about the numbers behind the scenes and the vested interests and self, self, self mentality of some (most) of the protagonists. I can't see it changing and I'm so disappointed with the cars themselves at the moment - bloated, high-tech barges. Then we have the god-awful circuits, PR speak drenched drivers, Liberties attempts to improve the show and score quick PC wins (pLLLease)....it all adds up to rather poor state of affairs at the moment. Having said all that, I can't wait for the first race to see who's really quickest so I'm actively feeding the troll I think we'd all agree that the F1 of today is a pretty terrible product but I can't quite tear myself away, habit is an extremely powerful compulsion.
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