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Post by charleselan on Jul 30, 2019 14:23:06 GMT
Seeing as there are some discussions going on about motor racing commentators in other threads I thought that these two photos may be appropriate. I have placed them here as I did not really want to begin a new thread, and they are in a way portraits. Taken in 1966 we see JYS sat in the magnificent H16 BRM with tea mate Graham Hill wearing a sweater over his race overalls as it was no doubt a chilly spring day and the wonderful doyen of commentators Raymond Baxter. I use the term magnificent to describe the BRM, not because it was a great car with regard to success, but due to its amazing complexity and shear presence. *Correction to my above comment I believe this was not 1966, but 1967 and taken at the Oulton Park Spring Cup meeting. I did have my doubts about it being '66 as the BRM H16 looked like a later version and thought that Graham Hill was there as a team mate.*   |
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Post by Carl on Jul 30, 2019 16:52:16 GMT
I have only heard Raymond Baxter in period films, but enough to appreciate his fine talents. The best American commentator has been Bob Varsha, still available but shunned by networks for his refusal to hype the drama like so many do today.
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Post by chrisb on Jul 31, 2019 4:51:56 GMT
Raymond was my favourite commentator of all time, I think the world of Murray and as a human being Murray is just awesome, both having an incredible WW2 record may have helped put into perspective their views, and Murray will always loom large in my affections for icons, but Raymond was sheer class.
Raymonds commentary on the 1967 Italian GP still rings in my head, that is how you commentate on a phenomenon
Totally agree Carl, Bob is a gem, but why oh why do commentators feel they need to resort to squeaky hysterics to emphasise something, report and commentate, it's simple
in motorbike racing I was watching the Suzuki 8 hours and listening to Julian and thinking, yea, miss your comments, and of Jack Burnicle is so much better than anyone else- why oh why can't these producers learn that exaggerated emotions reflect poorly on the situation they are relating, it's what is happening not your pubecent squeaks that is interesting, arghhh
JC, brilliant pictures! sheer brilliance
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Post by charleselan on Jul 31, 2019 12:04:13 GMT
Raymond Baxter was a man of his time, and most definitely my very favourite commentator both on radio and TV, just simply superb and not one hint of histrionics. He was an ex Spitfire pilot in WW11, and his speech very much reflected that. he was also superb when commentating on the Farnborough Air Show and of course in the early years of the BBC weekly show "Tomorrow World". One thing that always tickled me was the phrase often used by Raymond and others from that period, and Pre-WW11, of a driver being on a car e.g. Jim Clark on the Lotus. So very quaint these days as one would always associate a driver being in the car  . Murray Walker is a lovely bloke Chris, but he used to enrage me when in my teens he commentated on the Grandstand Scrambles Winter Championships. He used to get so many riders wrong and I used to almost throw things at the TV screen in frustration; my normally calm father would often refer to Murray as a "bl**dy Pr*t". He eventually scaled the heights and became an icon, loved by all, faults and all! Eurosports Jack Burnacle shares some of these characteristics in getting it wrong sometimes but quickly corrected by the exceptional James Whitham. These two guys should be knighted as they are in a class of their own, outstanding is slight praise for what Jack & James bring to BSB. The UK C4 coverage is absolutely terrible, rivalling that of S*YF1, I find it difficult to find any positives from either provider, especially after watching the truly excellent French Canal+ coverage that I briefly saw on Sunday afternoon. Their "grid walk" was actually meaningful and distanced itself from Brundle and Coulthard's preoccupation with seeking out a nonentity celebrity. Here we had a guy, not sure of his name, going around different cars pointing out all of the aero nuances and differences, plus updates. |
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Post by chrisb on Jul 31, 2019 20:26:14 GMT
and that JC is what I would like to know about, not this trivia nonsense about what you pet is called or whatever, if I want to know about a driver then I will research, but why a certain element is where it is on a car makes more sense to me,
my French has improved a great deal but it is not good enough to understand a complete commentary yet but I will persevere!
totally agree with your comments mon ami, Raymond's documentary about the tragic but historic 1958 season is wonderful, and Murray will always hold a special part of my affections, even with his foibles, such a wonderful chap and how I miss his commentary
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Post by robmarsh on Aug 7, 2019 17:12:26 GMT
There is a lovely piece on YouTube produced by the Goodwood Racing outfit celebrating Jackie Stewart's career. It is very moving and he confirms that he had seat belts put in his car after racing at Indianapolis in 1966. Well worth a watch.
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Post by charleselan on Aug 8, 2019 11:53:51 GMT
I am not certain if the Goodwood tribute you talk about is the same as the one that appeared in the Goodwood Festival highlights on UK ITV4 a few weeks ago. In that Lord March talked with JYS about his career and appearances at Goodwood, it was excellent and Jackie was as lucid as always. He also made the comment that his Tyrrell run Matra MS80 of 1969 was the most beautifully constructed and made car he ever drove; his favourite for sure. He also reminisced about the fantastic duel he had with Jochen Rindt at Silverstone in '69, commenting I believe that it was his best race to have been in.
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Post by robmarsh on Aug 8, 2019 17:50:43 GMT
I am not certain if the Goodwood tribute you talk about is the same as the one that appeared in the Goodwood Festival highlights on UK ITV4 a few weeks ago. In that Lord March talked with JYS about his career and appearances at Goodwood, it was excellent and Jackie was as lucid as always. He also made the comment that his Tyrrell run Matra MS80 of 1969 was the most beautifully constructed and made car he ever drove; his favourite for sure. He also reminisced about the fantastic duel he had with Jochen Rindt at Silverstone in '69, commenting I believe that it was his best race to have been in. I don't think so. In the one I saw Dario Francitti was the MC and he and JYS spoke from the balcony. Lord March was there but did not speak. |
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Post by charleselan on Aug 8, 2019 18:02:10 GMT
I am not certain if the Goodwood tribute you talk about is the same as the one that appeared in the Goodwood Festival highlights on UK ITV4 a few weeks ago. In that Lord March talked with JYS about his career and appearances at Goodwood, it was excellent and Jackie was as lucid as always. He also made the comment that his Tyrrell run Matra MS80 of 1969 was the most beautifully constructed and made car he ever drove; his favourite for sure. He also reminisced about the fantastic duel he had with Jochen Rindt at Silverstone in '69, commenting I believe that it was his best race to have been in. I don't think so. In the one I saw Dario Francitti was the MC and he and JYS spoke from the balcony. Lord March was there but did not speak. I would agree then Rob, as the one I viewed was in a big stately lounge at Goodwood House. So must look out the YT version you have recommended. |
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Post by René on Aug 23, 2019 13:58:04 GMT
Enzo Ferrari  |
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Post by René on Nov 9, 2019 18:01:01 GMT
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Post by charleselan on Nov 9, 2019 19:54:10 GMT
What a stunning lady she is. I have somewhere a B&W photo I took of her at the RAC Rally Scrutineering in her Audi days, she was even more beautiful as she gained a few years and so typically French.
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Post by Carl on Nov 9, 2019 21:16:32 GMT
What a stunning lady she is. I have somewhere a B&W photo I took of her at the RAC Rally Scrutineering in her Audi days, she was even more beautiful as she gained a few years and so typically French. Her eyes are captivating and beautiful. Any man who ever sat across from her at dinner was in love before dessert. |
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Post by chrisb on Nov 10, 2019 10:08:26 GMT
i had the pleasure of meeting her - although I was somewhat tongue-tied and didn't speak to her directly at either Portugal or the Ivory Coast, when she drove the Audi, and may have some awful photos of her, as you say Carl, amazing eyes and a definite knee wobble in her presence but one brilliant driver, there was a recent interview with MS wasn't there? she really is a class lady and multi-talented, someone I would vote for as boss of the FIA,
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Post by René on Nov 12, 2019 19:18:18 GMT
Ronnie as a Ferrari works driver in 1972.  |
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