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Post by robmarsh on Nov 30, 2017 13:46:25 GMT
As Liberty has finished it's first season and with the exception of adding the French Grand Prix have not added all that much, maybe more freedom in the paddock area if you can afford to be there. However, I think 21 races is too much. It means each race result is devalued somewhat, in accounting terms each race in a 21 race season is worth 4.76% as opposed to 6.25% in a 16 race season. My suggestion is that less is more and that they should go back to only 16 races-so what if the championship finishes early you want to see the cars race on really decent circuits. That way the Grand Prix will nevebe too boring. Therefore I thought that we should each pick our 16 best tracks for the F1 world championship. I think to cover both modern and past and to keep the air of nostalgia, that permeates many of our comments, we can pick any track that has ever been used in international races since 1950. I will do my 16 under a separate comment for two reasons. Firstly this comment is long enough and secondly I will get closer to my three stars the more comments I post.
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Post by robmarsh on Nov 30, 2017 14:10:30 GMT
My 16 races in order of starting
1 February Brazil Interlagos 1973 version
2 March South Africa Kyalami 1985 version
3 May San Marino Imola 1993 version but with more run off at Tamburello
4 May Monaco
5 June American GP West Laguna Seca-would love to see F1 cars on the corkscrew and short tracks sometimes make for interesting viewing
6 June Canadian Circuit de Gilles Villeneuve
7 July Dutch Zandvoort 1985 version
8 July French Rouen Les Essarts 1968 version
9 July British Silverstone 1973 version
10 August German Hockenheim 2000 version or alternatively a shorter version of the old Nurburgring with a track length of six miles
11 August Austrian Osterreichring 1986 version
12 August Belgian Spa 1970 version
13 September Italian Monza 1971 version
14 September European Brands Hatch 1985 version
15 October American Grand Prix East Watkins Glen 1978 version
16 October Japanese Suzuka current version
My season would start in February but would have a break in April. It would end at the end of October thus giving the teams three months off. I can't see the need for races in Russia, China, Singapore or any of the deserts apart from California.I would prefer South Africa over Australia hence the change.
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Post by charleselan on Nov 30, 2017 14:29:43 GMT
Great post Rob. If this doesn't spark some debate nothing will  . Things seem a little quiet at the moment, maybe everyone is still reeling after the last GP  . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 15:12:57 GMT
I can add for the time being:
The old Kyalami, with the best start ever on the downhill under the bridge. At the beginning of March.
The Nordschleife - of course.
Start the season in January/February in Buenos Aires and Interlagos.
Close the season by no later the first week of October, at Watkins Glen.
No more than 17, 18 tops races.
Free tests in winter at Paul Ricard.
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Post by charleselan on Nov 30, 2017 16:06:01 GMT
Not a lot wrong with your calendar, and neither with that of Lucio.
I do think the Aussie's would be very upset however without being included, and would have to include Adelaide which was far better than the current venue. If not then how about us recreating the Tasman series over the Southern hemisphere's summer months, as of old.
I agree completely about the amount of races per season, after all Less is more, is it not! We could of course alternate some races/countries. Then again we could bring back non championship races and in these teams would have to comply by running at least one new/test driver, and no flaming pay drivers.
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Post by René on Nov 30, 2017 18:29:14 GMT
Your calender is already well thought through Rob. But I am afraid we can only create this in a virtual racing game!  But I am not going to spoil the fun. There is one track I would really want to squeeze in there: Road America, Elkhart Lake! I have always dreamed of seeing F1 cars on this race course. |
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Post by Carl on Nov 30, 2017 20:02:45 GMT
Your calender is already well thought through Rob. But I am afraid we can only create this in a virtual racing game! But I am not going to spoil the fun. There is one track I would really want to squeeze in there: Road America, Elkhart Lake! I have always dreamed of seeing F1 cars on this race course. Great idea, Rene! That would be fantastic! The only drawbacks I see are the rural surroundings and scarcity of luxury hotels. But there's a lot of lakefront property on which to build one or two to supplement downtown Elkhart Lake's wonderful Siebkens Resort. |
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Post by Jamie on Nov 30, 2017 20:35:26 GMT
Can we nominate Rob to dispose Chase Carey ??
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Post by chrisb on Nov 30, 2017 21:48:58 GMT
this is excellent Rob, so here goes my initial thoughts,
1. January 1st -The South African Circuit 1970 Kyalami circuit
2. January 21st - Australian GP- Adelaide circa 1985
3. February 1st Japanese GP -Suzuka
4 May 1st - Dutch Grand Prix - Zandvoort c 1985
5. May 15th Monaco - minus the swimming pool
6. June 1st Belgium GP c 1983
7. June15th - French GP Clermont Ferrand c1965 and then alternate with Rouen 1968
8. July 1st - British GP - Donington and then alternate Brands Hatch c 1985
9. July 15th German GP - an abridged version of around 6 miles long of the Nordschleife aka Spa- if not then Solitude
10. August 1st Austria Gp and the magnificent Osterreichring c 1985
11. September 1st Monza - sans chicanes
12. September 22nd - Canadian GP -Mosport c1967 then alternate with circuit de Gilles
13. October 1st US GP East - Watkins Glen c 1978
14. October 22nd - US GP West - Long Beach c 1979
15. Nov 1st - Argentinian Gp Buenos Aries - c 1979
16. November 8th Brazilian GP - Interlagos - c1978
I would have reserve circuits, Portugal - Spain, Imola, Laguna Seca, Indianapolis, Daytona, Austin, Melbourne, and offer huge amounts of money for non-championships races,
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Post by Carl on Dec 1, 2017 4:43:21 GMT
Can we nominate Rob to dispose Chase Carey ?? So soon after he disposed Bernie Ecclestone? Give his mustache more time to impress others as much as himself. |
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Post by robmarsh on Dec 1, 2017 7:15:17 GMT
ChrisB I like your list more than mine and the idea of non-championship races. I also like Charles idea of using new/test drivers in the team. I especially love the thought of Kyalami on 1 January. It is normally a beautiful day on New Years day here. Not sure about Suzuka in Feb re the weather-too cold maybe Mikael will have to tell us. In your calender we could get the season off to a great start and then there would be a break of 2 months for non-championship races and a chance to race test new ideas, drivers etc and build up the anticipation for the European season. We could do away with those silly winter tests that mean nothing and instead have races. I also note the complete absence of any of the Tilke dromes-makes good sense. Anybody got Liberty media's e mail address.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 9:24:57 GMT
Oh, I forgot Long Beach at the beginning of April.
And yes, Adelaide any time for me too.
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Post by charleselan on Dec 1, 2017 11:14:21 GMT
Can we nominate Rob to dispose Chase Carey ?? So soon after he disposed Bernie Ecclestone? Give his mustache more time to impress others as much as himself. Fantastic; yet another superb one liner from the poet amongst us at the Round Table. |
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Post by charleselan on Dec 1, 2017 11:24:11 GMT
Rob,
Suzuka does seem to experience seasonal extremes. The summer months are way too hot and humid; one just has to see the conditions that the Superbike Endurance race endures in August. It's best date is probably around the one they have now.
I think we should have a European GP each year as was once the case, where a country that has several top quality tracks gets the chance to have that venue utilised. Countries that spring to mind are GB; Italy; Germany; France.
Also I am surprised that we haven't thought about Spain; the only venue for me would be Montjuic Park which was a fantastic and challenging circuit.
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Post by mikael on Dec 1, 2017 14:14:59 GMT
Suzuka does seem to experience seasonal extremes. The summer months are way too hot and humid; one just has to see the conditions that the Superbike Endurance race endures in August. It's best date is probably around the one they have now. Exactly true, JC. Attached is a temperature graph for Yokkaichi, which is Suzuka's somewhat larger neighboring city (so near that the houses of Yokkaichi can be seen clearly from Suzuka, so the temperature is the same). The numbers on the abscissa are the months. (In Japanese the months are just called: first month, second month, ..., twelfth month). The thin red line shows the average temperature. As the graph indicates, August is too hot (and - what the graph doesn't show - terribly humid in addition). January and February are a bit coolish, with an average temperature of about 5 deg. C. (The snowfall is basically nil.) The start of October - where the GP now is placed - is the best time of the year; really nice, with an average temp. of just below 20 deg. C.  |
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