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Post by charleselan on Jan 6, 2020 18:31:38 GMT
Following a bit of online research it would appear that this wonderful film will be available in DFVD/Blue Ray format in February 2020. Can't wait..............
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Post by charleselan on Feb 1, 2020 11:53:27 GMT
Tonight I am going to settle down in front of my TV and watch Ford v's Ferrari having last evening downloaded a high quality BlueRay edition of this much anticipated film. I have had a brief check and it is unbelievable quality so my appetite has been well and truly wetted .
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Post by René on Feb 1, 2020 12:11:23 GMT
Tonight I am going to settle down in front of my TV and watch Ford v's Ferrari having last evening downloaded a high quality BlueRay edition of this much anticipated film. I have had a brief check and it is unbelievable quality so my appetite has been well and truly wetted . That sounds great and I'm sure you will enjoy it. Only need to allow the film makers some artistic freedom and then you're fine. Oh, and don't forget to put the volume up!
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Post by charleselan on Feb 1, 2020 14:39:22 GMT
Tonight I am going to settle down in front of my TV and watch Ford v's Ferrari having last evening downloaded a high quality BlueRay edition of this much anticipated film. I have had a brief check and it is unbelievable quality so my appetite has been well and truly wetted . That sounds great and I'm sure you will enjoy it. Only need to allow the film makers some artistic freedom and then you're fine. Oh, and don't forget to put the volume up! We will be fine with a little artistic licence .
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Post by Carl on Feb 1, 2020 18:06:16 GMT
That sounds great and I'm sure you will enjoy it. Only need to allow the film makers some artistic freedom and then you're fine. Oh, and don't forget to put the volume up! We will be fine with a little artistic licence . Enjoy the sights and sounds, which are wonderfully done!
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Post by charleselan on Feb 3, 2020 14:11:50 GMT
We will be fine with a little artistic licence . Enjoy the sights and sounds, which are wonderfully done! Unfortunately I became sidetracked on Sat and Sunday evenings and have yet to see the film. Only realised at the last moment that the 12 Hours of Bathurst were on Saturday so that took care of my evening there. A really good race with some superb action all viewed live on YouTube in high definition. Amazing circuit of course and excellent commentary from JH of Radio Le Mans (goodness that guy gets around) and various Aussies. Also interesting too see Scott Dixon taking part in an Aston Martin and raving about his debut there, sadly the car wasn't at the sharp end and had troubles in qualifying and early in the race. So tonight (Monday) is the night .
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Post by charleselan on Feb 4, 2020 13:45:54 GMT
Finally sat down and watched "Ford v's Ferrari " last evening and wasn't disappointed in the least. Over 2hours 35minutes long the film was extremely entertaining; well made and brilliantly acted. As I was warned there were moments of artistic licence that were pretty obvious to anyone who knows that period well but they did not detract from the film. I am not fully conversant with the machinations that went on at the time so am not sure who was the real villain, and who did what, particularly behind the scenes. As the film unfolded it was clear that Ken Miles outspoken and not tolerant of fools attitude did not go down well with what some term as "suits". All power to you there Ken as I can't stand those sorts either . The films narrative is that Ken was royally screwed by a certain Leo Bebe the second in command at Ford as he didn't like the fact that he was told some home truths early on that hurt; no forelock tugging by Mr Miles. I did notice in the credits that Peter Miles, Ken's son, was involved so imagine that much of his childhood memories of his father were conveyed to the brilliant Christian Bale whose portrayal of Ken Miles was outstanding and displayed a warmth of a very human kind. Shelby was played by the reliably good Matt Damon whom I have always liked after getting into the Jason Bourne movies. As a little anecdote it was interesting to see that Denny Hulme who made a brief appearance in the film as Ken team-mate at Le Mans in 1966 was played by Ben Collins one of the very first BBC Top Gear Stigs. On a negative side I think that some of the other driver characterisations were poor and over done, the Lorenzo Bandini character was nothing like the real man in appearance or character as he was neither brooding or a semi psychopath. Also the brief shots of a Bruce McLaren character were nothing like the real man, in fact the actor looked more like a cross between Mike Spence and Sir John Whitmore. That aside I loved the film and will watch it again very soon. The ending was very sad and brought a tear to the eye, and genuinely so.
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Post by René on Feb 4, 2020 17:08:20 GMT
Glad you liked the movie JC and I was sure you would. It is really one of the better racing movies. I watched it in the cinema but I will certainly buy the blueray disc to watch it again.
I agree re. Bandini, his personality was the opposite of the character displayed in the movie. But somehow Ferrari and its drivers are always displayed as the 'bad guys' which was also the case in the Le Mans movie if I remember correctly.
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Post by Carl on Feb 4, 2020 18:05:13 GMT
Glad you liked the movie JC and I was sure you would. It is really one of the better racing movies. I watched it in the cinema but I will certainly buy the blueray disc to watch it again. I agree re. Bandini, his personality was the opposite of the character displayed in the movie. But somehow Ferrari and its drivers are always displayed as the 'bad guys' which was also the case in the Le Mans movie if I remember correctly. Actual events are often distorted and not only by artistic license, but sometimes by partisan nonsense. One example is the widespread acceptance of Shelby (read the various film critic reviews) as a "legendary car designer". His great concepts and team leadership and colorful and charismatic persona, not fully conveyed in the movie, are more than enough legacy to qualify for greatness. Both lead actors are outstanding, but Christian Bale came closer than Matt Damon to the real person in his brilliant portrayal of Ken Miles.
I also thought the portrayal of Bandini as threatening and ruthless was ridiculous and unnecessary, an inartistic license, and don't understand why the filmmakers felt they had to have Enzo Ferrari present at LeMans when the drama and suspense could have been portrayed even better with cutaways to il Commendatore in Maranello.
Rene, you are right about bias in "LeMans", which I believe stems from Steve McQueen being in love at the time with all things Porsche. Having a serviceable villain is an easy way to create drama and often false to the real events. Hooray for Hollywood, a land of make-believe where in a real sense all product is fictional.
In the end, both movies succeed with good acting (brilliant in Ford v Ferrari) and very realistic sights and sounds of mid-60s and early 70's prototype racing and that's enough for me.
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Post by chrisb on Feb 4, 2020 20:56:37 GMT
there is an interview with the late Chris Amon who talks very openly about the 1966 Le Mans race and how angry Bruce was with the whole thing, feeling they had been stitched up, not the other way around
Lorenzo always came across as a decent bloke, Big John spoke fondly of him, describing him as 'a good lad' he could have been a 'pantomime villain' in 1964 when he took Graham out at Mexico, instead and I love the sheer class of these guys, Graham sent Lorenzo some driving lessons at Christmas, class, Chris Amon also spoke of Lorenzo poignantly and I don't recollect anyone disrespecting Lorenzo,
I will consider buying the film, when available, but I am hesitant because things like the Lorenzo scenes always put me off,
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Post by René on Feb 5, 2020 16:50:21 GMT
there is an interview with the late Chris Amon who talks very openly about the 1966 Le Mans race and how angry Bruce was with the whole thing, feeling they had been stitched up, not the other way around Lorenzo always came across as a decent bloke, Big John spoke fondly of him, describing him as 'a good lad' he could have been a 'pantomime villain' in 1964 when he took Graham out at Mexico, instead and I love the sheer class of these guys, Graham sent Lorenzo some driving lessons at Christmas, class, Chris Amon also spoke of Lorenzo poignantly and I don't recollect anyone disrespecting Lorenzo, I will consider buying the film, when available, but I am hesitant because things like the Lorenzo scenes always put me off, Chris, buy the film. The good parts easily outweigh the 'bad' parts which are really not that bad. And like Grand Prix and Le Mans, it's a movie. Not a documentary. And it's a good movie with race cars!
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Post by charleselan on Feb 5, 2020 18:17:20 GMT
I agree with René, it is movie and a very human tale mainly about the two lead characters in the film. If one wishes too, the lack of accuracy can irritate but it is a movie and as has been stated above not an accurate historical documentary. Yes the portrayal of Lorenzo Bandini is wrong and unnecessary buy these Hollywood type movies always need a villain or man in the black hat. In fact I recall that the lead Ferrari driver at Le mans in both 1966 & '67 was Michael Parkes, particularly after the big fall out at Le Mans in '66 with John Surtees and Tavoni the Team Manager. That as one of the main reasons why Ferrari fell apart after Big John walked out of the team after that row with Tavoni. Funnily enough the same sort of thing happened in 1959 when the Scuderia were in all sorts of trouble with driver animosity etc, a fact that i have just gleaned from an excellent book in my library "Le Mans '59" by Stirling Moss. I took this from the shelf as I was thinking about the intro to the film which featured Shelby at that very race. Firstly as it annoyed me that in the film you would have thought that Ol' Shel won the race single handed, when in fact it was more down to Roy Salvadori his team mate who did not get a single mention in the film which was shameful. Also the film depicted a pit fire with the winning DBR1 300 and Shelby getting briefly set alight, this most certainly did not happen maybe a bit of artistic licence taken from the Goodwood 6 Hour pit fire. The other thing I was attempting to uncover was Shelby's race attire as he was depicted in conventional period race suit. I had memories of him racing in a rather fetching pair of dungarees, maybe not , and in this book by Stirling there are two contrasting photos. One has Shelby in normal race suit stood on the pit wall with Reg & Tim Parnell, and a later shot of him hugging Miss Europe while stood in the winning Aston wearing said dungarees. Forget all of that, it was a great and enjoyable film which can stand alongside Grand Prix and Steve McQueen's Le Mans.
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Post by Carl on Feb 5, 2020 19:15:22 GMT
It's a heavy burden to be right and thought otherwise by others. I really enjoyed the movie! At the same time, it would have been more wonderful without the elaboration Hollywood feels is necessary but which I see as laziness. Carroll Shelby liked to race wearing railroad style korm-stripe overalls, which were coolly nonchalant and also practical. I had two pairs in my early twenties and they're very comfortable. At Le Mans, it's possible more professional attire was mandated by Aston-Martin and he changed before the podium ceremony to tweak management.
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Post by chrisb on Feb 6, 2020 7:49:51 GMT
sounds like good words chaps, will order it forthwith
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Post by charleselan on Feb 6, 2020 17:24:11 GMT
It's a heavy burden to be right and thought otherwise by others. I really enjoyed the movie! At the same time, it would have been more wonderful without the elaboration Hollywood feels is necessary but which I see as laziness. Carroll Shelby liked to race wearing railroad style korm-stripe overalls, which were coolly nonchalant and also practical. I had two pairs in my early twenties and they're very comfortable. At Le Mans, it's possible more professional attire was mandated by Aston-Martin and he changed before the podium ceremony to tweak management. So that is what you call them then Carl! I have also seen photos, one in the book mentioned above, of Shelby in race action during the 1959 Le Mans race wearing what would appear to be a Bomber Jacket over his race suit, probably during the cold early hours.
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