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Post by Carl on Nov 3, 2019 17:05:56 GMT
John Charles, Outstanding analysis. I recall Ken Tyrrell's contempt for private equity control but had forgotten his frustration with Goodyear. The runt ecclestone and his goosestepping acolyte are, except for what they have stolen, essentially worthless, while your analysis produces the arrow-splitting perfect bullseye that merits, in a just world, their foreheads next time as targets.
Carl, My analysis is based upon "gut feeling" and no substantial facts, not that any would have been published in any case. Ken Tyrrell was worth a million times more than those two odious individuals, he was an honourable but fiercely competitive individual who ran a superb racing team from his woodyard premises. To me there can be no other explanation as to why Goodyear would have ceased to develop those little "trolley" wheel tyres. I can never forgive anyone involved in that travesty as the marriage of Tyrrell and Ronnie should have been heaven sent, only for the grossly understeering P34 to render the King Of Oversteer a frustrated mid field performer and ultimately to end up playing number two at Team Lotus the following season. John Charles John Charles, Maybe so, but Arthur Conan Doyle would agree with your assessment.
"How often have I said that when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
- Sherlock Holmes
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Post by René on Nov 3, 2019 17:52:28 GMT
Great project René, its a good little kit as was the Matchbox Surtees so they should make good slot cars. Yeah I have them both. They are nice kits and there are not that many (race)cars made as static kits at 1/32 scale. With the Tyrrell I will try to keep as much detail as possible, also from the monocoque. That will be the challenge with this project. |
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Post by René on Nov 3, 2019 17:55:23 GMT
Enjoy the race guys. The big three seem very evenly matched so it could be a cracker. I chose Leclerc for the win but now I think Sebastian will win. And probably some fireworks between Max, Charles and Lewis!  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 23:05:17 GMT
i'd intended to say Bottas but i didn't vote so... almost carries no weight.
Ferrari were always going to lose again.. though i didn't expect it to be so pathetic.
I figured Hamilton would go into his traditional end of season slump... so Bottas looked like a semi decent bet.
Dreadful race though.
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Post by Carl on Nov 3, 2019 23:30:20 GMT
Enjoy the race guys. The big three seem very evenly matched so it could be a cracker. I chose Leclerc for the win but now I think Sebastian will win. And probably some fireworks between Max, Charles and Lewis! I also chose Charles Leclerc. Chris is the one most likely to have chosen Valtteri, although proving that is a challenge.  |
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Post by Carl on Nov 4, 2019 5:28:43 GMT
i'd intended to say Bottas but i didn't vote so... almost carries no weight. Ferrari were always going to lose again.. though i didn't expect it to be so pathetic. I figured Hamilton would go into his traditional end of season slump... so Bottas looked like a semi decent bet. Dreadful race though. Another race with attention mostly on pit stop and tyre strategy, every now and then turning to driving skill.
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Post by charleselan on Nov 4, 2019 14:51:46 GMT
This was the first race that I have watched in its entirety for some time, although I have to admit to having a bite to eat after the first ten laps and during my sojourn the only thing i appeared to miss was Sebastian's retirement. The latter no surprise to me as there was quite obviously something seriously amiss with his car from the very beginning.
A totally tedious affair compounded by the complete inanity of the S*YF1 commentary, Croft being at his abject worst when he spent goodness knows how long trying to be clever discussing possible strategy of Hamilton and missing the fabulous early race drive of young Lando Norris who proved more than a handful for Ricciardo that was all over the TV screen. All the while Croft made no comment about what was going on in front of our eyes and just kept babbling on about irrelevancies about what Hamilton may to may not be going to do.
Immediately as the race finished I turned it off as I couldn't bear to hear the sycophantic ramblings anymore. OK it is a great feet to have won six world championships but how many drivers from any previous period in the history of this sport have had such a dominant car and team behind them for such a long duration, and it ain't ended yet!
Ferrari continue to shoot themselves in the foot, one way or another, and then flatter to deceive on other occasions.
A good win for Bottas, he looked strong all weekend but too little too late. Maybe the powers that be need to have a quiet word with Tonto "Ferrari have a much better package than us....B.S." about the team orders mid season when Bottas was told to play tail gunner.
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Post by René on Nov 5, 2019 18:46:51 GMT
Congrats to Lewis and to Valtteri, that was a good win and of course a deserved championship!
A strong race for Max but I guess he can forget about a Ferrari contract for the forseeable future! He's as blunt as his dad.
But Ferrari's slump was strange to say the least. Still very close in qualifying but nowhere in the race. I am sure Seb's car was already damaged before the start, probably during the warmup. Charles had an old spec 2 unit installed after his FP3 problems so that at least explaines something. Binotto said they changed nothing after the FIA directive and I believe him. They should be back on form in Brazil.
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Post by mikael on Nov 6, 2019 4:13:40 GMT
I am sure Seb's car was already damaged before the start, probably during the warmup. It's also "amazing" that the chassis, struts, etc., can stand that they run over the curbs like they do nowadays, often with 300+ km/h. I don't think that was possible in the days of metal-alloy cars, i.e. pre-carbon fibre. First and foremost, It implies extreme impacts onto the tyres. I recall seeing a (YouTube) movie showing how much a racing tyre deforms under extreme loads - it's surprising and very impressive. (I will try and see if I can relocate it ...) But sometimes one can see it also in the GP's, in slow-motion footage. |
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Post by charleselan on Nov 6, 2019 14:17:57 GMT
I am sure Seb's car was already damaged before the start, probably during the warmup. It's also "amazing" that the chassis, struts, etc., can stand that they run over the curbs like they do nowadays, often with 300+ km/h. I don't think that was possible in the days of metal-alloy cars, i.e. pre-carbon fibre. First and foremost, It implies extreme impacts onto the tyres. I recall seeing a (YouTube) movie showing how much a racing tyre deforms under extreme loads - it's surprising and very impressive. (I will try and see if I can relocate it ...) But sometimes one can see it also in the GP's, in slow-motion footage. Some interesting points Mikael. I was actually quite shocked to see some of the "Slow Motion" shots of the cars taken from the rear as they went through certain corners at the so called COTA. They appeared to wallow like barges and the relatively low tyre pressures that they apparently run in comparison to road car users was very obvious. To my way of thinking these horrible elongated things they now pass off as Formula One cars can only exacerbate the problem when encountering a severely bumpy and high curbed circuit like this. Surely the excessive length of the vehicle must add leverage to the stresses and strains being forced through the chassis and components. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 21:06:55 GMT
Curiously, the Formula One establishment seems to believe that the Civil War secession of Texas from the United States has been reestablished, although I doubt Texans will be happy as part of the Emirates.  Also curious is the uncurious David Croft's constant referral to take-ohs and take-oh tummy. No such thing... If Sky TV personnel are striving to reflect the dementia of Rupert Murdoch, with the single exception of Martin Brundle's stubborn intelligence, they're doing very well. Shocking, shocking, shocking commentary and coverage from Sky. Bar Brundle, who is only now starting to let Crofty and Ted's utter idiocy infiltrate his consciousness. Time for a change!!!!!!! Hill is good. Herbert is barely sentient - never says anything of any interest. The short host is ok, don't know his name. The woman in the pits is passable. Whatsisname the Scot is passable Davidson is passable. Chandhok is passable. So... Sack Crofty, sack Ted, sack Herbert, sack Davidson, sack the Scot with the Italian-sounding name (what is his name, Di Resta! Sack him) let Brundle do the call with Hill or Chandock in support in the commentary box and the woman does the pit lane. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 21:32:06 GMT
Which drivers on the current F1 grid would have beaten Bottas over the course of the 2019 season if they'd been alongside him in the other Merc?
Hamilton. Leclerc. Vettel. Ricciardo. Verstappen. They are a given.
I'm going to add Sainz. Then... ?
Question marks.
Norris?
Grosjean?
Hulk?
Magnussen?
Russell?
Albon?
Perez?
I need answers dammit, answers I say!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 22:34:50 GMT
Which drivers on the current F1 grid would have beaten Bottas over the course of the 2019 season if they'd been alongside him in the other Merc? Hamilton. Leclerc. Vettel. Ricciardo. Verstappen. They are a given. I'm going to add Sainz. Then... ? Question marks. Norris? Grosjean? Hulk? Magnussen? Russell? Albon? Perez? I need answers dammit, answers I say! Pointlessly replying to myself, I think Norris, Russell, Hulkenberg would shade Bottas and I nearly put Grosjean in that category. Nearly! |
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Post by chrisb on Nov 9, 2019 10:09:07 GMT
I do think Bottas is a bit hard to read as we don't know the extent of the alleged 'team orders' but I would certainly think that your initial list, including Sainz, is quite accurate, I do feel that Albon and Norris are going onto to bigger and better things and Max will have to look over his shoulder next year, Russell is a bit of an unknown but he is highly rated and I do think the Hulk,
so I would add to your list Albon and Norris with probables Russell and the Hulk
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 12:01:59 GMT
Albon, Norris, Sainz... plus the Fast Five. Makes Bottas only the ninth-best Driver of the 20. Slot Hulk in too... hmm.
You'd assume it would be so close though... nothing in it!
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