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Post by René on Oct 31, 2019 11:13:56 GMT
Surely this time Lewis will seal his sixth title, only one less than Schumi's seven! What an achievement, even if he had the best car most of the time. Ferrari will be strong in qualy again but the question is can they convert that into a win? Should be about time! Max will start his 100th Grand Prix! Amazing how times (and statistics) have changed. There are famous drivers, champions who never reached that number of starts! Anyway, let's hope for some good racing in the U S of A!  |
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Post by chrisb on Oct 31, 2019 17:31:34 GMT
oh Rene, what a beautiful picture! one of my favourite cars - one of my favourite drivers following him in one of my least favourite cars, saw the 6 wheelers race in 76 and 77, damm ugly things, and that great if not one of the greatest street circuits that ever graced F1, gosh I miss that circuit, ponders a question - favourite street circuits? going to have to think about that -
oh, and er Austin, another circuit I like and the idea of a Nascar around it sounds cool, tell me that both are not going out at the same time?
I would imagine the start to be exciting but aside from that I'm expecting a lot of carbon fibre flying around so think Albon will win only to be relegated to Toro Toro
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Post by Carl on Oct 31, 2019 22:33:26 GMT
Surely this time Lewis will seal his sixth title, only one less than Schumi's seven! What an achievement, even if he had the best car most of the time. Ferrari will be strong in qualy again but the question is can they convert that into a win? Should be about time! Max will start his 100th Grand Prix! Amazing how times (and statistics) have changed. There are famous drivers, champions who never reached that number of starts! Anyway, let's hope for some good racing in the U S of A! The road course outside Austin, Texas, has a ridiculous name and too many blinding colors trackside. Otherwise, it's pretty decent with several cool and challenging corners, but it doesn't compare to the early days at Long Beach as in the wonderful photograph posted by Rene of Mario Andretti and Ronnie Peterson exiting the last turn in 1977.
Chris Pook, expatriate English travel agent and genius behind the Long Beach Grand Prix, is one of the few people to successfully defy the runt ecclestone by calling his bluff when more money was demanded. As an event, the Long Beach Grand Prix is still going strong with IndyCar and the track remains excellent, but few street courses can compare favorably to the original. All four wheels would be airborne in Turn 1 onto the steep downhill at Linden Avenue. The equally steep ascent at Pine Avenue produced wonderful echoes as drivers gave full throttle toward the final turn onto Ocean Boulevard. After businesses complained of lost revenue, Ocean Boulevard and the dramatic first and last turns were sadly bypassed.
This is the Pine Avenue incline in the more peaceful mid 1950s. The right turn beneath the Budweiser billboard is where Andretti and Peterson are pictured.
Race winner Clay Regazzoni in 1976 successfully touches down on Linden Avenue
Here's Patrick Depailler (Tyrrell 008-Cosworth) during 1978 practice
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Post by mikael on Nov 1, 2019 1:16:48 GMT
> Here's Patrick Depailler (Tyrrell 008-Cosworth) during 1978 practice.
Thank you for the link, Carl. It's very impressive and interesting to watch.
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Post by mikael on Nov 1, 2019 3:55:23 GMT
Surely this time Lewis will seal his sixth title, only one less than Schumi's seven! What an achievement, even if he had the best car most of the time. Yes, from Lewis' point of view, it certainly looks more bright to be in need of just four point out of a possible 78 - with three chances (three remaining races) to earn them, rather than to be in need of eight points out of 20, with two races remaining, as was the case in 2007. With a view to the recent article on the MSM homepage, "Formula 1's unlikeliest title wins", it was really remarkable that a team like McLaren, which at that time was "on the top of the world", somehow managed to loose it all (two shots at the title - if not Hamilton, then Alonso) at the end. |
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Post by chrisb on Nov 1, 2019 20:22:36 GMT
It would be the most shocking upset I can ever remember if Lewis doesn't achieve his 6th WDC,
unlikely WDC champions? Piquet? Farina? Denny? perhaps one contentious one would be John Surtees,
Max on attack, which is good for a decent race and Albon showing some speed as well, which is excellent, this guy is really impressing whilst I write the second practice is underway and ten minutes into it Grosjean has had an accident, not sure what happened - but hopefully he is ok and leClerc is quickest-
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Post by Carl on Nov 1, 2019 22:11:18 GMT
Curiously, the Formula One establishment seems to believe that the Civil War secession of Texas from the United States has been reestablished, although I doubt Texans will be happy as part of the Emirates.  Also curious is the uncurious David Croft's constant referral to take-ohs and take-oh tummy. No such thing... If Sky TV personnel are striving to reflect the dementia of Rupert Murdoch, with the single exception of Martin Brundle's stubborn intelligence, they're doing very well. |
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Post by René on Nov 2, 2019 11:27:15 GMT
oh Rene, what a beautiful picture! one of my favourite cars - one of my favourite drivers following him in one of my least favourite cars, saw the 6 wheelers race in 76 and 77, damm ugly things The six wheelers were not the most pretty F1 cars but they were unique and very interesting. Wish I had seen them race at the time! I am actually building a six wheeler model right now. Started a slot car project a few days ago by trying to convert a Matchbox static model of the 1977 P34/2 into a slot car. I will do a new topic on this in the model car section soon.  Attachments:
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Post by Carl on Nov 2, 2019 16:50:32 GMT
I still view the 2nd year's P34 with smooth aerodynamic bodywork and beautiful First National City sponsorship as very good looking. Unfortunately, none of this translated to performance improvements and balanced handling was never attained.
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Post by charleselan on Nov 2, 2019 19:04:00 GMT
Great project René, its a good little kit as was the Matchbox Surtees so they should make good slot cars.
Brilliant knowledge Carl of a circuit you obviously love and along with Riverside the venues that you have such great memories. The original Long Beach was a wonderful venue and it was a travesty that the greed of Ecclestone ruined the chance of it still being on the F1 calendar. I have mentioned this numerous times in the past but i can remember listening to the early Long Beach races live on the American Forces Network radio before it gained TV coverage, the lead commentators pronunciation of Nelson Peekay ringing in my ears top this day.
The snoopy bodied 1977 Tyrrell 6 Wheeler was an attractive car but no matter what the team did to try and compensate for Goodyear not developing tyres for those tiny front wheels it was a poor show compared with 1976 when it was very competitive. Unbelievable to think that because of that car in 1977 Ronnie's value plummeted, such is the fickle world of F1.
Going back to those tyres not being developed I wonder if that was at the request of one Ecclestone and Moseley, Ken was too honest for them and they could not stand that.
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Post by Carl on Nov 2, 2019 20:26:10 GMT
The snoopy bodied 1977 Tyrrell 6 Wheeler was an attractive car but no matter what the team did to try and compensate for Goodyear not developing tyres for those tiny front wheels it was a poor show compared with 1976 when it was very competitive. Unbelievable to think that because of that car in 1977 Ronnie's value plummeted, such is the fickle world of F1. Going back to those tyres not being developed I wonder if that was at the request of one Ecclestone and Moseley, Ken was too honest for them and they could not stand that. John Charles, Outstanding analysis. I recall Ken Tyrrell's contempt for private equity control but had forgotten his frustration with Goodyear. The runt ecclestone and his goosestepping acolyte are, except for what they have stolen, essentially worthless, while your analysis produces the arrow-splitting perfect bullseye that merits, in a just world, their foreheads next time as targets.
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Post by chrisb on Nov 2, 2019 21:56:26 GMT
Carl - as I don't listen to sxy I'm a bit of a loss about your comments re Texas leaving the USA, but am intrigued, it seems for most commentators rule one appears to disengage any logical thought first and then scream hysterically about something trivial seems second choice, ah well
I watched the P34 at Brands in 76 with Patrick and Jody, I quite liked that version with its little windows but the 77 version and can only assume as I did see this I saw it at Silverstone, but I have a feeling I saw it race elsewhere and I can only describe it as ungainly looking, quite different to the 76 version which was a neat idea - but in my eye not a good looking beast, but respect for your model making genius Rene
with all the skulldudgery these two grave robbers undertook it wouldn't surprise me, I have just been reading about the Lotus 88 again, and wonder if murkier strings were pulled to stiffle that innovation as well
final qualifying is underway, sounds interesting
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Post by Carl on Nov 2, 2019 23:26:44 GMT
Carl - as I don't listen to sxy I'm a bit of a loss about your comments re Texas leaving the USA, but am intrigued, it seems for most commentators rule one appears to disengage any logical thought first and then scream hysterically about something trivial seems second choice, ah well I watched the P34 at Brands in 76 with Patrick and Jody, I quite liked that version with its little windows but the 77 version and can only assume as I did see this I saw it at Silverstone, but I have a feeling I saw it race elsewhere and I can only describe it as ungainly looking, quite different to the 76 version which was a neat idea - but in my eye not a good looking beast, but respect for your model making genius Rene with all the skulldudgery these two grave robbers undertook it wouldn't surprise me, I have just been reading about the Lotus 88 again, and wonder if murkier strings were pulled to stiffle that innovation as well final qualifying is underway, sounds interesting Chris, You're right that most announcers reflect a common network belief that the audience are all idiots. I wish I had a choice, but Sky is the exclusive network in America.
My speculation that Texas had seceded yet again was inspired by the official sponsor of the race in Austin being the Emirates, by which they mean the airline but which I at first imagined was the entire country, the United Arab Emirates, now including Texas. Several of the former Confederate States threaten now and then to secede, and many would not object. Sell out indeed!  |
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Post by chrisb on Nov 3, 2019 9:58:53 GMT
nice one Carl, Texas is a place I would love to visit one day hopefully when I don't need a UAE visa to do so, the dream would be to see a GP and a Gary Clarke Jnr concert
surprised to see Bottas on pole - bit thrown off by that - going to be an interesting first corner,
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Post by charleselan on Nov 3, 2019 14:06:06 GMT
The snoopy bodied 1977 Tyrrell 6 Wheeler was an attractive car but no matter what the team did to try and compensate for Goodyear not developing tyres for those tiny front wheels it was a poor show compared with 1976 when it was very competitive. Unbelievable to think that because of that car in 1977 Ronnie's value plummeted, such is the fickle world of F1. Going back to those tyres not being developed I wonder if that was at the request of one Ecclestone and Moseley, Ken was too honest for them and they could not stand that. John Charles, Outstanding analysis. I recall Ken Tyrrell's contempt for private equity control but had forgotten his frustration with Goodyear. The runt ecclestone and his goosestepping acolyte are, except for what they have stolen, essentially worthless, while your analysis produces the arrow-splitting perfect bullseye that merits, in a just world, their foreheads next time as targets.
Carl, My analysis is based upon "gut feeling" and no substantial facts, not that any would have been published in any case. Ken Tyrrell was worth a million times more than those two odious individuals, he was an honourable but fiercely competitive individual who ran a superb racing team from his woodyard premises. To me there can be no other explanation as to why Goodyear would have ceased to develop those little "trolley" wheel tyres. I can never forgive anyone involved in that travesty as the marriage of Tyrrell and Ronnie should have been heaven sent, only for the grossly understeering P34 to render the King Of Oversteer a frustrated mid field performer and ultimately to end up playing number two at Team Lotus the following season. John Charles |
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