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Post by Carl on Apr 17, 2019 21:17:38 GMT
that is some list isn't it, I was never a big fan of Jackie Oliver but he did have quite a lot of success - what do you reckon of Mario? a fantastic wit and dedicated racer but how quick? such a great circuit and such a fantastic crowd of professionals Jackie Oliver was very fast in the Can-Am, always a threat, both in Peter Bryant's Ti-22 and then the later generation Shadows, always near the front. Mario Andretti learned car control in USAC Midgets and Sprint Cars on dirt ovals of various size and was a great driver. The gap to second qualifier Al Unser (also very fast on road courses) is impressive. I encountered him once at Riverside and my impression was of a self-absorbed jerk going through the motions. www.grandprixhistory.org/ti22.htm |
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Post by mikael on Apr 18, 2019 5:57:25 GMT
Chris, This highlight film of the first Long Beach Grand Prix, the qualifying Formula 5000 race, is Super 8 but cool nonetheless. Mario Andretti, Brian Redman, Al Unser, Tony Brise, Jody Scheckter, Tom Pryce, Jackie Oliver, David Hobbs, and yours truly in the Turn 4 grandstand. Beyond entries for Chris Amon and George Follmer equal to their talents, what more could anyone ask?  Cheers, Carl Carl, Thank you for providing the link to the Formula 5000 race. I remember that the Dane Tom Belsø (who is considered to be "the first Dane in Formula One") was active in the European Formula 5000 Championship in the early 70's. A round of that championship (of 1973, I believe) was held in Denmark, on the "Jyllands Ringen" circuit, and this got a good deal of press coverage. Unfortunately I wasn't there, but remember being fascinated by these large formula cars (from photos and reports in magazines). So it's interesting to see how they actually appeared and how they sounded. Their sound is like what one would expect from such large-displacement V8's: they sound more like "the typical American muscle car" (say, a Ford Mustang) than like, say, a Cosworth DFV. Mikael  Tom Belsø at "Jyllands Ringen" in a Lola Formula 5000 (probably in 1973). [The title of the article, "En smagsprøve på rigtig racing" means "A taste of real racing".] |
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Post by mikael on Apr 18, 2019 7:24:44 GMT
The site: "http://www.grandprixhistory.org/" is really a most excellent one. I have come across it many times; I believe it has been up and running for some 20 years or more. There's a lot in it. There's an interesting section on slot cars too! |
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Post by charleselan on Apr 18, 2019 15:17:07 GMT
Tom Belsø's Lola T332 is well remembered here. The almost iconic number 208 was part of the sponsorship of the great radio station Radio Luxembourg that broadcast on 208 Medium Wave band through the 1950's to the 1970's. It was always transmitted during the evening in the Uk, and many a youngster would tune in on their transistor radios listening to the top tunes particularly in the 1960's.
What a car the Lola T332 was; racing to incredible success in championships all over the globe and for quite some years. It always gets dismissed, or more to the point neglected when people talk about great racing cars, the T332 was most definitely one of the great racing cars, and it looked good too.
Interesting comment about Mario, Carl. It would appear that he was a journalists dream with his one liners that so enraptured the likes of Nigel Roebuck, but maybe not the everyday spectator who offered little as a self promotional tool. A great driver none the less who had an incredible long; immensely varied and illustrious career.
Jackie Oliver was indeed a very quick and successful racing driver; picked up from club racing by Colin Chapman and rapidly promoted to the F1 team after Jim Clark's tragic accident. He proved quick on many occasion alongside Graham Hill, and those that remember can never forget the image of him at Rouen following a wing failure that gave him the mother and father of accidents. He was virtually unharmed, but so big was the accident that after sustaining brief concussion he awoke and thought he was in heaven upon seeing huge garden gates nearby! For me Jack will always be associated with those Can Am cars mentioned by Carl above, and very fast in them too.
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Post by Carl on Apr 19, 2019 6:25:09 GMT
Tom Belsø's Lola T332 is well remembered here. The almost iconic number 208 was part of the sponsorship of the great radio station Radio Luxembourg that broadcast on 208 Medium Wave band through the 1950's to the 1970's. It was always transmitted during the evening in the Uk, and many a youngster would tune in on their transistor radios listening to the top tunes particularly in the 1960's. What a car the Lola T332 was; racing to incredible success in championships all over the globe and for quite some years. It always gets dismissed, or more to the point neglected when people talk about great racing cars, the T332 was most definitely one of the great racing cars, and it looked good too. Interesting comment about Mario, Carl. It would appear that he was a journalists dream with his one liners that so enraptured the likes of Nigel Roebuck, but maybe not the everyday spectator who offered little as a self promotional tool. A great driver none the less who had an incredible long; immensely varied and illustrious career. Jackie Oliver was indeed a very quick and successful racing driver; picked up from club racing by Colin Chapman and rapidly promoted to the F1 team after Jim Clark's tragic accident. He proved quick on many occasion alongside Graham Hill, and those that remember can never forget the image of him at Rouen following a wing failure that gave him the mother and father of accidents. He was virtually unharmed, but so big was the accident that after sustaining brief concussion he awoke and thought he was in heaven upon seeing huge garden gates nearby! For me Jack will always be associated with those Can Am cars mentioned by Carl above, and very fast in them too. John Charles, Except for the beautiful Eagle, the early Formula 5000 cars were somewhat hefty, possibly because the designers felt having a large V-8 the car should be large as well. The McLaren M10 and short-lived Lotus 70 were sleek designs, and the Chevron B24 driven masterfully by Brian Redman to a win at Riverside in September of 1973 was quite lovely, but the Lola T190 was the proverbial ugly duckling Eric Broadley somehow evolved into the most beautiful and successful F5000, the T332, as you say, one of the great racing cars.
Cheers, Carl
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Post by charleselan on Apr 19, 2019 14:20:36 GMT
Tom Belsø's Lola T332 is well remembered here. The almost iconic number 208 was part of the sponsorship of the great radio station Radio Luxembourg that broadcast on 208 Medium Wave band through the 1950's to the 1970's. It was always transmitted during the evening in the Uk, and many a youngster would tune in on their transistor radios listening to the top tunes particularly in the 1960's. What a car the Lola T332 was; racing to incredible success in championships all over the globe and for quite some years. It always gets dismissed, or more to the point neglected when people talk about great racing cars, the T332 was most definitely one of the great racing cars, and it looked good too. Interesting comment about Mario, Carl. It would appear that he was a journalists dream with his one liners that so enraptured the likes of Nigel Roebuck, but maybe not the everyday spectator who offered little as a self promotional tool. A great driver none the less who had an incredible long; immensely varied and illustrious career. Jackie Oliver was indeed a very quick and successful racing driver; picked up from club racing by Colin Chapman and rapidly promoted to the F1 team after Jim Clark's tragic accident. He proved quick on many occasion alongside Graham Hill, and those that remember can never forget the image of him at Rouen following a wing failure that gave him the mother and father of accidents. He was virtually unharmed, but so big was the accident that after sustaining brief concussion he awoke and thought he was in heaven upon seeing huge garden gates nearby! For me Jack will always be associated with those Can Am cars mentioned by Carl above, and very fast in them too. John Charles, Except for the beautiful Eagle, the early Formula 5000 cars were somewhat hefty, possibly because the designers felt having a large V-8 the car should be large as well. The McLaren M10 and short-lived Lotus 70 were sleek designs, and the Chevron B24 driven masterfully by Brian Redman to a win at Riverside in September of 1973 was quite lovely, but the Lola T190 was the proverbial ugly duckling Eric Broadley somehow evolved into the most beautiful and successful F5000, the T332, as you say, one of the great racing cars.
Cheers, Carl
I have to agree with what you say here Carl. The McLaren M10 was a lovely looking car based upon the original orange F1 M5A; and driven with huge success by Pete Gethin. Another really good looking F5000 car was the Surtees TS5, quite a favourite of mine and driven with great success by your mate David Hobbs . All Chevron cars were wonderful and beautifully engineered race cars, the B24 another vehicle in which Pete Gethin excelled. The early Lola F5000 cars were quite large and bulky looking things, I never knew how someone who could produce such a beautiful thing as the Group 6 (Can Am) T70 could then pen the T142 and T190. The greatest motorcycle racer of all time and much under valued car racer Mike Hailwood battled valiantly in a red T142 in 1969, just look at the thing at Oulton Park in 1969 below.   Just imagine that huge oil cooler on top of the rear wing, Newey would be having a heart attack  . John Charles |
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Post by Carl on Apr 19, 2019 16:30:26 GMT
John Charles, You're absolutely right. I had momentarily forgotten about the good looking and very fast Surtees TS5. Its American success in 1971 was when I first paid close attention to David Hobbs!
Cheers, Carl
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Post by René on Apr 19, 2019 19:42:09 GMT
Wonderful chat on the F5000 cars guys. I always loved the look of these beasts and wish I had seen them live. How cool they would look as slot cars. One of the main manufacturers should make a series of them.  |
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Post by René on Apr 19, 2019 19:45:39 GMT
The site: "http://www.grandprixhistory.org/" is really a most excellent one. I have come across it many times; I believe it has been up and running for some 20 years or more. There's a lot in it. There's an interesting section on slot cars too! The slot car section is really good, thanks! |
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Post by charleselan on Apr 20, 2019 14:00:19 GMT
Wonderful chat on the F5000 cars guys. I always loved the look of these beasts and wish I had seen them live. How cool they would look as slot cars. One of the main manufacturers should make a series of them. They would indeed make some great slot cars, one would just need the big thundering V8 sound track to do with them . I believe that back in the late 1960's Charlie Fitzpatrick made some glass fibre body shells of some F5000 cars which are still available for scratch builders, I am certain that the McLaren M10A was one of them and possibly the Surtees TS5. |
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Post by René on Apr 22, 2019 12:58:28 GMT
Wonderful chat on the F5000 cars guys. I always loved the look of these beasts and wish I had seen them live. How cool they would look as slot cars. One of the main manufacturers should make a series of them. They would indeed make some great slot cars, one would just need the big thundering V8 sound track to do with them . I believe that back in the late 1960's Charlie Fitzpatrick made some glass fibre body shells of some F5000 cars which are still available for scratch builders, I am certain that the McLaren M10A was one of them and possibly the Surtees TS5. Yes, I think these are the body shells you mean: www.bettaandclassic.com/classicbodies.htm |
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Post by charleselan on Apr 22, 2019 14:35:08 GMT
They would indeed make some great slot cars, one would just need the big thundering V8 sound track to do with them . I believe that back in the late 1960's Charlie Fitzpatrick made some glass fibre body shells of some F5000 cars which are still available for scratch builders, I am certain that the McLaren M10A was one of them and possibly the Surtees TS5. Yes, I think these are the body shells you mean: www.bettaandclassic.com/classicbodies.htmSpot on René. I think that it is Charlie's son that now runs the business, and there is a fine collection of shells available still. Back in the 1960's I built quite a few scratch builds using Charlie's shells, and back then they were the best you could get as there were no resin kits or body shells about in those far off times. I think you should have a go at a few of those F5000 cars they would look mighty impressive. |
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Post by René on Apr 22, 2019 17:52:17 GMT
Spot on René. I think that it is Charlie's son that now runs the business, and there is a fine collection of shells available still. Back in the 1960's I built quite a few scratch builds using Charlie's shells, and back then they were the best you could get as there were no resin kits or body shells about in those far off times. I think you should have a go at a few of those F5000 cars they would look mighty impressive. I might JC, those cars are brutal. But first I have to finish the 126 CK project which is shaping up quite well. Here's a scoop, a first impression of the car. I have attached it because I don't want to upload it to my Slotforum gallery yet. Still in development but starting to look good. Attachments:
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Post by Carl on Apr 22, 2019 21:21:36 GMT
...I have to finish the 126 CK project which is shaping up quite well. Here's a scoop, a first impression of the car. I have attached it because I don't want to upload it to my Slotforum gallery yet. Still in development but starting to look good. It looks better than good already and will be fantastic in rosso brillante. |
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Post by charleselan on Apr 23, 2019 11:44:58 GMT
Spot on René. I think that it is Charlie's son that now runs the business, and there is a fine collection of shells available still. Back in the 1960's I built quite a few scratch builds using Charlie's shells, and back then they were the best you could get as there were no resin kits or body shells about in those far off times. I think you should have a go at a few of those F5000 cars they would look mighty impressive. I might JC, those cars are brutal. But first I have to finish the 126 CK project which is shaping up quite well. Here's a scoop, a first impression of the car. I have attached it because I don't want to upload it to my Slotforum gallery yet. Still in development but starting to look good. That is absolutely excellent René and a real scratch build by the look of things. Can't wait until we see the finished article not only will it be amazing but it will be quite unique. |
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