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Post by Carl on Nov 29, 2018 4:31:54 GMT
...but sadly one could easily get distracted by the inane comments "...but sadly one could easily get distracted by the inane comments"
At first I thought you'd written "insane" and had my lawyer on the phone before realizing it was "inane", which I admit.
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Post by charleselan on Nov 29, 2018 19:41:59 GMT
...but sadly one could easily get distracted by the inane comments "...but sadly one could easily get distracted by the inane comments"
At first I thought you'd written "insane" and had my lawyer on the phone before realizing it was "inane", which I admit.
There have been some insane comments on there over the past few years Carl, but I would never associate your pearls to be that, anymore than I would qualify them as being inane. Always a joy to read your thoughts, and often the humour therein.
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Post by Carl on Nov 29, 2018 21:40:12 GMT
"...but sadly one could easily get distracted by the inane comments"
At first I thought you'd written "insane" and had my lawyer on the phone before realizing it was "inane", which I admit.
There have been some insane comments on there over the past few years Carl, but I would never associate your pearls to be that, anymore than I would qualify them as being inane. Always a joy to read your thoughts, and often the humour therein. Mark Hughes must have his own unprintable opinion of Disqus. Having to monitor the inane and insane comments has to be mind-numbing. Recently, he left a particularly stupid one in place and asked the poster to consider his/her total idiocy compared to most others at least being relevant. It may have since been removed.
Even our friend Ray in Toronto, knowledgeable and fearless of argument, has apparently had enough. A less intense Ray would be an excellent addition to the round table.
MotorSport should have a one gross offense and out policy, but may be too fond of subscription fees. They could allow even craven fools and boost revenue by introducing tiered subscriptions, with the costliest filtering out the usual suspects.
Cheers, Carl
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Post by robmarsh on Nov 30, 2018 7:12:47 GMT
I think MotorSport are in financial trouble right now. They are offering really cheap subscription rates that I don't believe are sustainable but maybe their advertising revenue is based on number of subscribers. They also offer two or three year subs in advance which means in year two or three no new cash is coming in. It is ok if you did not spend the subs in advance when you got the cash. However, usually that's not the case as the reason for offering heavily discounted future subs is to offset an immediate cash flow problem. Time will tell but the signs are there.
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Post by chrisb on Nov 30, 2018 7:50:22 GMT
I do so hope you are wrong Rob, MotorSport has been an integral part of my motor racing life and it will be a sad day if it is no longer available in print. But, sadly I suspect along with any number of magazines you are probably right. I seemingly get bombarded by other magazines and their special deals. Yet when I look back to 2 years ago I was getting in print, Autosport, MCN, Ride, Octane, Empire and MS. Now all I get is MS and Ride. I do wonder if the day of the printed word is in terminal decline.
Carl, John, ohhh, how Mat and Mark keep their perspectives is beyond me, there was a recent one for Mark and it was to do with the dreaded halo and the Hulk's accident. Mark pointing out that the Hulk clearly stated he detests the halo but no it is not to blame for him being stuck, but no, this chap who obviously knows more than anyone else insisted the Hulk was stuck because of the halo and you could feel the exasperation in Mark. I just wish MS would adopt Autosports tactics, of so many FOC looks a month and then you pay a nominal fee. I would be so happy to pay that fee if that meant that the dementors were kept at bay.
Ray in Toronto has always been great, we haven't always agreed but I have enjoyed his perspectives and our debates. I do know he had a falling out with a chap in I think California who basically threatened him, not something one wants because of a difference of opinion. BoneDwarf was another chap whose posts I really enjoyed but haven't heard from him for a few years.
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Post by charleselan on Nov 30, 2018 12:14:13 GMT
It isn't a good time for many things right now, and I do not see matters improving with regard to a lot of what we hold dear. It has been a challenge to keep printed publications flourishing for many years now. As with many things the internet revolution has had a dramatic effect upon many traditions that we once knew.
In the UK you just have to see the effect that On-Line Shopping has had on the High Street Stores, and large ones at that. In many ways France is decades behind the UK from what i have observed, but even here a similar thing is happening with small towns loosing street side retailers. One lovely old town quite near me called Domfront has most of its shops that have closed decorated inside the window fronts with large photo murals to make them look as though they are still active, very sad.
I think that Motorsport Magazine has been struggling for some years now, and the current signs are not good. One can tell that this is the case, as they are constantly chopping and changing their direction and editorial. It would appear that they are seeking the "Holy Grail" and have yet to lay their hands upon it.
The alignment to DISgust was an attempt to bring in new readers/subscribers, but all it achieved was to completely ruin the excellent Forum and drive many quality commenters away. In hindsight a subscription idea as mentioned by some of my esteemed RRT fellows have mentioned above would have been preferable, however that would not have attracted many new readers either.
I did see the interaction between our Canadian friend and the other chap Chris, I believe they patched up their differences very quickly; no doubt to volatile individuals who tend to fire from the hip and that as the result. The "assailant" vanished as quickly as he arrived; and "R in T" is now conspicuous by his absence in recent weeks. I will say that if one wishes to see really distasteful comments then look no further than the Motorsport.com site that is owned by Chubby Brown of McLaren infamy. That is absolutely disgraceful and he and his team should be ashamed of what they allow on that comment forum.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 15:03:32 GMT
I always had a lot of respect for Gavin Conway, too. He was devastatingly fast on occasion. I assume he is in GT now? He is a good driver.
Sorry to be forced to stir the pot once more, gentlemen, but let's not get too excited about Leclerc, let's not get carried away. I think there's every chance he will be soundly beaten by Seb next year.
I predict that it will be close and Seb will be pushed and surprised, but we will be back here in a year saying 'Bill was right, Charles was impressive but soundly beaten - it's so good that Bill is here to keep us all in check and make profoundly, almost wizardly-accurate predictions.'
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Post by René on Nov 30, 2018 16:37:41 GMT
I always had a lot of respect for Gavin Conway, too. He was devastatingly fast on occasion. I assume he is in GT now? He is a good driver. Sorry to be forced to stir the pot once more, gentlemen, but let's not get too excited about Leclerc, let's not get carried away. I think there's every chance he will be soundly beaten by Seb next year. I predict that it will be close and Seb will be pushed and surprised, but we will be back here in a year saying 'Bill was right, Charles was impressive but soundly beaten - it's so good that Bill is here to keep us all in check and make profoundly, almost wizardly-accurate predictions.' :-) Bill, can't help myself. As you will have noticed, I am getting completely carried away with Leclerc! But seriously, I do think he is the next big thing. Really do. As I predicted, it will be close between Charles and Sebastian but 2019 will be Sebastian's year. Charles will win several races and conquer the hearts of the tifosi. He has already started by being fastest in his first test, even if it meant nothing. It meant a lot for the morale and the feeling. Go Charles! Forza! (sorry, I know I should be impartial as the administrator of this site but I am not! ).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 19:34:56 GMT
Rene, if Charles is thrashed by Seb next year, I will be here to give you emotional support and of course I will never say 'I told you so'. That's not my style, haha. 👍
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Post by Carl on Dec 1, 2018 5:43:22 GMT
Rene,
Be careful where you sit at the round table. A rampant thumb can look innocuous but should be approached with the same caution as a cavallino rampante in turn one at Monza.
-più triste ma più saggio
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Post by René on Dec 1, 2018 11:19:34 GMT
Rene, Be careful where you sit at the round table. A rampant thumb can look innocuous but should be approached with the same caution as a cavallino rampante in turn one at Monza. -più triste ma più saggio Carl, I am well aware of our new member's questionable tactics of stirring the pot and obscene gestures. I will be careful and if needed will reply in an appropriate manner. Thanks.
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Post by charleselan on Dec 1, 2018 14:03:36 GMT
I see that mark Hughes has written a piece on the MS Forum about the Vettel v's Leclerc scenario. He raises some excellent points and gives an interesting insight to the political infighting that is currently bubbling away at the Scuderia. Many folk tend to lay the blame, if that is the correct term, on the passing of Marchionni. I wonder if in reality it was as written, for he was a pretty autocratic individual and that in itself posed serious issues, his passing merely allowed the undercurrents to manifest themselves as we see now.
The matter of who will prevail should Ferrari get it act together in 2019 is pretty much a matter of where one wishes to lay ones hat. Vettel is without a doubt very quick when he has a car under him that allows him to drive in his very distinct style, however he has shown on numerous occasions that he is "hot headed" and can be rash in the heat of battle. Also he has not responded well when confronted by a young charger as a team mate re: Red Bull and Ricciardo.
Ricciardo had the better of him when they were teamed together, no doubt due to the fact that the car that year did not offer Sebastian the characteristics he needed. Thoughts made by some that he may have been driving in a less demonstrative manner as he wanted to action a get out clause in his contract and go to Ferrari; may have merit, may not.
With regard to Charles Leclerc I believe he is on a different level to Ricciardo with regard to outright ability. He is a young man with incredible fortitude and desire, and has overcome two big tragedies in his young life with great strength. He is Prost like in the way he clinically drives the car, and has that amazing gift of being very quick, but not looking as though he is.
Charles is Ferrari's future and that begins in 2019. Believe me Sebastian has more than a fight on his hands, and that is from within the team. I wonder how Sebastian will react when young Charles out qualifies him for the first time, and the next time....... I do not think it will end well.
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Post by chrisb on Dec 2, 2018 8:50:35 GMT
JC, i do feel your last point will be the test, Seb says he is exhausted after this years trials and tribulation and needs a rest, I suspect Charles will not allow Seb must rest next season, and I do wonder if we will see Seb retire at the end of next year.
Rene, tres bon
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Post by René on Dec 3, 2018 20:14:34 GMT
Not much going on at our Round Table. I guess we're all suffering from the end of season fatigue. I am for sure. Not much going on at the moment in the F1 world. Racing Point will change their name again which is of course very exciting (...) and Lewis is having fun on a Superbike. Anything else?
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Post by charleselan on Dec 3, 2018 20:24:58 GMT
and Lewis is having fun on a Superbike. Anything else? And Off it apparently .
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