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Post by charleselan on Nov 27, 2018 16:32:16 GMT
I would agree with Kimi being a very honest and straight individual. Trying to find someone who was back in the day can prove a challenge as many, including our heroes like Chapman, had their shady side. However I would suggest that Rob Walker was a good guy, and yes Rob I agree with Ken Tyrrell also.
Although this may sound strange but i would also suggest Alexander Hesketh, he made no pretence at being anything other than who he was, and did not resort to anything devious in my experience.
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Post by charleselan on Nov 27, 2018 16:38:56 GMT
Sad to say that The Fizzy Drinks Corps and its off shoot have dumped Brendon Hartley in favour of young Albon who has now severed ties with Nissan who he had signed with for Formula E. A pretty disgusting affair all around in my opinion and one that makes me dislike that company/team(s) even more than I do already.
Good to see Honda at least make some decent comments about Brendon and what he contributed to their engine/P>U> development this past year. Hopefully he will land a decent drive elsewhere in a far more respectful series, and with a far better team than that crass affair Toro Rosso.
Let us put it this way Albon had better perform or he will get the "flick" quickly enough, and having dumped Nissan in such an inelegant manner that will not look good on a resumé when seeking future employment.
As Niki always said in the past "What goes around , comes around"; can't wait Red Bull!
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Post by Carl on Nov 27, 2018 17:02:19 GMT
I thought Ken Tyrrell may have been then I remembered the balls up around the lead ballast in the petrol tank. I don't think it would be a team owner or engineer though. I am sure one would have to look at the drivers. Kimi strikes me as the most likely candidate. Rob Walker and Mo Nunn were both extraordinary as team owners.
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Post by robmarsh on Nov 27, 2018 18:39:29 GMT
I thought Ken Tyrrell may have been then I remembered the balls up around the lead ballast in the petrol tank. I don't think it would be a team owner or engineer though. I am sure one would have to look at the drivers. Kimi strikes me as the most likely candidate. Rob Walker and Mo Nunn were both extraordinary as team owners.
I would agree with you there Carl and Lord Hesketh to JC. The whole Red Bull set up is odious to me except for the drivers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 19:16:44 GMT
Sad to say that The Fizzy Drinks Corps and its off shoot have dumped Brendon Hartley in favoured of young Albon who has now severed ties with Nissan who he had signed with for Formula E. A pretty disgusting affair all around in my opinion and one that makes me dislike that company/team(s) even more than I do already. Good to see Honda at least make some decent comments about Brendon and what he contributed to their engine/P>U> development this past year. Hopefully he will land a decent drive elsewhere in a far more respectful series, and with a far better team than that crass affair Toro Rosso. Let us put it this way Albon had better perform or he will get the "flick" quickly enough, and having dumped Nissan in such an inelegant manner that will not look good on a resumé when seeking future employment. As Niki always said in the past "What goes around , comes around"; can't wait Red Bull! Albon is already in deep trouble. He hasn't achieved enough in the lower formulae. Kvyat should beat him. Then perhaps Albon exits for Ticktum, who seems promising and disgraceful in equal measure. The RBR-STR Fizzy Drinks Emporium flails about with drivers and is often unconscionable in its behaviour, but I find it quite entertaining to watch. They must have some strong data on Kvyat to have asked him back again. If Albon destroys Kvyat to the extent that Kvyat is sacked yet again, surely Ticktum will get a run, assuming he is maintaining high performance in F2. Ticktum seems to have what it takes as far as Herr Marko is concerned: "Spollon labelled Ticktum's actions "totally irresponsible and reprehensible in the extreme"." www.autosport.com/national/news/121941/ticktum-banned-for-disturbing-episodeWe can expect Gasly to be disembowelled by Max. The extent of the disembowelment matters: a total obliteration and Gasly may find himself slotted back down to STR or sacked. Perhaps Gasly is perfect for pushing Max just enough but not too much. The merrygoround continues, Charles. Merrygoround F1. Thanks for writing such superb and entertaining posts (in my opinion anyway).
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Post by René on Nov 27, 2018 19:31:57 GMT
I thought Ken Tyrrell may have been then I remembered the balls up around the lead ballast in the petrol tank. I don't think it would be a team owner or engineer though. I am sure one would have to look at the drivers. Kimi strikes me as the most likely candidate. Ken was a good guy...
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Post by René on Nov 27, 2018 19:55:38 GMT
Sad to say that The Fizzy Drinks Corps and its off shoot have dumped Brendon Hartley in favoured of young Albon who has now severed ties with Nissan who he had signed with for Formula E. A pretty disgusting affair all around in my opinion and one that makes me dislike that company/team(s) even more than I do already. Good to see Honda at least make some decent comments about Brendon and what he contributed to their engine/P>U> development this past year. Hopefully he will land a decent drive elsewhere in a far more respectful series, and with a far better team than that crass affair Toro Rosso. Let us put it this way Albon had better perform or he will get the "flick" quickly enough, and having dumped Nissan in such an inelegant manner that will not look good on a resumé when seeking future employment. As Niki always said in the past "What goes around , comes around"; can't wait Red Bull! Albon is already in deep trouble. He hasn't achieved enough in the lower formulae. Kvyat should beat him. Then perhaps Albon exits for Ticktum, who seems promising and disgraceful in equal measure. The RBR-STR Fizzy Drinks Emporium flails about with drivers and is often unconscionable in its behaviour, but I find it quite entertaining to watch. They must have some strong data on Kvyat to have asked him back again. If Albon destroys Kvyat to the extent that Kvyat is sacked yet again, surely Ticktum will get a run, assuming he is maintaining high performance in F2. Ticktum seems to have what it takes as far as Herr Marko is concerned: "Spollon labelled Ticktum's actions "totally irresponsible and reprehensible in the extreme"." www.autosport.com/national/news/121941/ticktum-banned-for-disturbing-episodeWe can expect Gasly to be disembowelled by Max. The extent of the disembowelment matters: a total obliteration and Gasly may find himself slotted back down to STR or sacked. Perhaps Gasly is perfect for pushing Max just enough but not too much. The merrygoround continues, Charles. Merrygoround F1. Thanks for writing such superb and entertaining posts (in my opinion anyway). I have my doubts about Albon too, not sure why they made this choice. Kvyat should beat him indeed but if he doesn't and Kvyat should get sacked again.. ouch, that would be very bad. No, that won't happen. Not sure about Ticktum either to be honest. He made a huge mistake but got penalized and seemed to have learned. He won Macau so he can drive. For Pierre Gasly, 2019 will be do or die. If Max destroys him (very likely), his chances for another top line drive will become very small. If he does well, maybe even beating Max now and then he could become an established name for the coming years. Not much in between.
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Post by chrisb on Nov 28, 2018 7:37:39 GMT
wonderful picture of Uncle Ken, it was more a musing moment when I mentioned honesty and in truth, I was thinking more modern era, but in answer to my own question I think there have been a great many honest drivers, mechanics and supporters but team owners/ managers perhaps less so, Colin really did have his dark side and if a rule cannot be bent then Colin would find a way to encourage it...Historically I was thinking Zakspeed, Tony Rudd, Alfred Owen, amongst others and am with you JC - whilst they were not my cup-of-tea Lord Hesketh was true to self and that I respect. What about Frank and Patrick?
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Post by chrisb on Nov 28, 2018 7:48:05 GMT
I thought the whole idea of the fizzy drinks corporation was to have a constant feed of up and coming superstars, to me it kinda feels it has lost its way a bit. Bringing Kvyat back seems counter-productive and if, and although I am aware of the name Albon does whip his backside, although I did wonder if Albon's appointment may have been influenced by the marketing people, then surely this programme is doomed, doomed I say, maybe they'll bring back Buemi?
Will Max destroy Gasly? perhaps - the problem for me in the modern era I have less opportunity to gauge just how good or not so good a driver is, historically I would watch quite a few F2 or F3 races and get a better idea as to what is going on and in the days of the garagista's there was more of a level field and as from now even less, with the truncated highlights produced by DC's company, oh joy....will I get the opportunity to assess their abilities. I do try and watch a bit of F2 on utub but it is usual focusing on accidents not driver ability.
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Post by charleselan on Nov 28, 2018 17:35:56 GMT
Sad to say that The Fizzy Drinks Corps and its off shoot have dumped Brendon Hartley in favoured of young Albon who has now severed ties with Nissan who he had signed with for Formula E. A pretty disgusting affair all around in my opinion and one that makes me dislike that company/team(s) even more than I do already. Good to see Honda at least make some decent comments about Brendon and what he contributed to their engine/P>U> development this past year. Hopefully he will land a decent drive elsewhere in a far more respectful series, and with a far better team than that crass affair Toro Rosso. Let us put it this way Albon had better perform or he will get the "flick" quickly enough, and having dumped Nissan in such an inelegant manner that will not look good on a resumé when seeking future employment. As Niki always said in the past "What goes around , comes around"; can't wait Red Bull! Albon is already in deep trouble. He hasn't achieved enough in the lower formulae. Kvyat should beat him. Then perhaps Albon exits for Ticktum, who seems promising and disgraceful in equal measure. The RBR-STR Fizzy Drinks Emporium flails about with drivers and is often unconscionable in its behaviour, but I find it quite entertaining to watch. They must have some strong data on Kvyat to have asked him back again. If Albon destroys Kvyat to the extent that Kvyat is sacked yet again, surely Ticktum will get a run, assuming he is maintaining high performance in F2. Ticktum seems to have what it takes as far as Herr Marko is concerned: "Spollon labelled Ticktum's actions "totally irresponsible and reprehensible in the extreme"." www.autosport.com/national/news/121941/ticktum-banned-for-disturbing-episodeWe can expect Gasly to be disembowelled by Max. The extent of the disembowelment matters: a total obliteration and Gasly may find himself slotted back down to STR or sacked. Perhaps Gasly is perfect for pushing Max just enough but not too much. The merrygoround continues, Charles. Merrygoround F1. Thanks for writing such superb and entertaining posts (in my opinion anyway). Many thanks for the kind comment Bill, much appreciated. I always enjoyed our exchanges on the MS forum but sadly one could easily get distracted by the inane comments from others on there over the later years. It was the worst ever decision to go with DISGust, as it brought a whole new mentality to the forum that wasn't good fro business; just look at all the good guys who left!! It is indeed a merrygoround and the fizzy drinks empire appear to be running out of new talent which must make old citron chops Marko a little jumpy. Mind you, as he only has eyes for the young Dutchman it probably does not matter; all of which is so reminiscent of the Vettel days. Citron Chops cast many a good talent to the four winds as he pandered to Vettel, and Ricciardo must have seen similarities to how Webber was treated back then. Will Gasly be destroyed by Maxi Boy, the general consensus is that he will. I personally can't wait to see all the Teddy's Being Thrown by both parties, that should be worth a race weekend even if the on track action elsewhere will be mundane. Young Pierre may well surprise a few, especially if he can ditch the whinger mentality as he has shown some good speed when the Honda held together, and the Toro Rosso when it was at a track that suited its somewhat contrary characteristics. All of which made the decision to ditch Brendon Hartley the act of complete fools, as the Kiwi matched Gasly when he wasn't let down by mechanical issues. The fact that Honda have praised his contribution says a lot, and I just love Brendon's recent "Tweet" where he thanked everybody except those clowns in RB/TR management; as they say "Way to go boy". I have to admit to not having much info about this guy Ticktum; only that he seems abrasive and none too pleasant; a good head slap (a la Leroy Jethro Gibbs) a few years ago might have cured that; and there is still time. One of the reasons I like young Leclerc is the fact that he always comes across as a very well brought up and decent young man. A point emphasised by a motorsport journo who wrote that Charles had actually thanked him for writing positive things about him, something that no other driver had ever done previously.
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Post by robmarsh on Nov 28, 2018 18:16:14 GMT
Yep Leclerc is a class act. I have been very impressed by him this season and think he will push Seb a lot harder than Kimi did.
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Post by René on Nov 28, 2018 18:16:28 GMT
Charles Leclerc fastest for Ferrari at Abu Dhabi testI know it means nothing, I know, I realize that, I know. But you know? It does! Benvenuto nella Scuderia! Forza Ferrari. Forza Charles!
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Post by René on Nov 28, 2018 18:24:23 GMT
Felipe Massa, Charles Leclerc and Jules Bianchi. Destined to wear red.
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Post by chrisb on Nov 28, 2018 20:12:17 GMT
well, this may prove more interesting than previously thought. Without Autosport updating me on who is who and what is happening I do feel slightly left behind - I do read it online but only bits and pieces, I do know the name of Tickford but apart from that my knowledge is sadly lacking, one of the drivers I always thought had great potential was Sam Bird - I know he is in Formula E and WEC but I was always a bit puzzled why it never happened for him in F1. One other who won everything up to his money ran out and he went to the USA, Jack Harvey and I never understood why he wasn't picked up.
Wasn't there an interview with Charles earlier this year and he drove someone somewhere - was it that nauseating presenter on C4? but Charles came across very well and now fastest, this could be fun...
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Post by Carl on Nov 28, 2018 23:49:23 GMT
well, this may prove more interesting than previously thought. Without Autosport updating me on who is who and what is happening I do feel slightly left behind - I do read it online but only bits and pieces, I do know the name of Tickford but apart from that my knowledge is sadly lacking, one of the drivers I always thought had great potential was Sam Bird - I know he is in Formula E and WEC but I was always a bit puzzled why it never happened for him in F1. One other who won everything up to his money ran out and he went to the USA, Jack Harvey and I never understood why he wasn't picked up. Wasn't there an interview with Charles earlier this year and he drove someone somewhere - was it that nauseating presenter on C4? but Charles came across very well and now fastest, this could be fun... I am familiar with Jack Harvey and, sad to say, for whatever reasons, he hasn't been consistently impressive in Indy Lights and a small number of IndyCar rides. I recall his early seasons in Indy Lights as his best and he came very close to winning the championship in 2014. He seemed to have good rides subsequently in the series, but something was missing, possibly adequate funding.
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