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Post by charleselan on Oct 28, 2017 17:57:46 GMT
Mikael,
Olie Olsen was a truly great Speedway rider and sportsman. I believe he was "discovered" by the equally great NZ multiple world champion Ivan Mauger. I did follow Olie back in the 1970's although not a big Speedway fan in those days, but it was motorcycle racing and that did it for me  .
With regard to Ivan Capelli he did have a stunning F3000 season before entering F1 and was very quick indeed. However it was written later that he was a wonderfully gentle man, and was rather ridiculed in the pit lane at the Canadian GP one year when he tried to save an injured seagull. That probably reflects more on those that were of that disposition than Ivan. He was at Ferrari when they were in one of their worst positions, which could not have helped him any.
I have just been viewing the SKY coverage on my computer this afternoon and apparently Ecclestone has come out with some rather outrageous comments about his own and Moseley's "favouritism" of Ferrari. Interesting to see Brundle trying to wriggle out of making any comment.
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Post by René on Oct 28, 2017 19:47:26 GMT
Whoooaaah!!! Po-po-po-po-po-pole position! Forza Ferrari!  |
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Post by chrisb on Oct 29, 2017 6:36:15 GMT
very true Rene,
JC and I mentioned Dave Walker - who was supposed to be yet another superstar but it didn't work for him when he drove for Lotus, I think JC's point about Capelli resonates, he does seem to be a thoroughly good chap, i believe he is on Italian TV now, not knowing that much of Capelli I always felt he would be great in the Group C cars, my point was more about I thought Mauricio a better driver,
well done to Vettel - this could be an interesting race
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Post by chrisb on Oct 29, 2017 6:39:22 GMT
JohnCharles,
In this month's [much improved in my humble opinion] MotorSport there is an interview with BCE, which I have to confess struggled to read, the rest of the magazine seems very good and I will try the interview again, but had noted my teeth grinding when I was reading his comments, so may have to do some meditation first or perhaps a whisky before I attempt to read the interview again,
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Post by René on Oct 29, 2017 11:00:44 GMT
very true Rene, JC and I mentioned Dave Walker - who was supposed to be yet another superstar but it didn't work for him when he drove for Lotus, I think JC's point about Capelli resonates, he does seem to be a thoroughly good chap, i believe he is on Italian TV now, not knowing that much of Capelli I always felt he would be great in the Group C cars, my point was more about I thought Mauricio a better driver, well done to Vettel - this could be an interesting race Yep, there were more who were promising but didn't succeed in the big league. Jos Verstappen started his F1 career at Benetton next to Schumacher and was blown away while Jos was arguably the better F3 driver. As for Capelli and Gugelmin, you may be right. Didn't Gugelmin win one or two races in CART? Ivan was a very likeable chap, maybe too 'soft' for F1? But it was also bad luck the 1992 Ferrari was such a difficult and uncompetitive car. Pretty though. Indeed a very good pole lap for Seb. Let's see if he can 'do a Dovizioso' and keep his championship alive. That would need a Lewis DNF though but I have the feeling this could be a very good weekend for Italian motorsport. Fingers crossed. |
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Post by René on Oct 29, 2017 23:30:51 GMT
Congratulations to Lewis Hamilton for winning his fourth World Championship! In the end well deserved and by all accounts no mean feat. Ferrari and Vettel gave a good fight, also today but it wasn't enough. I hope Ferrari can end the season with a victory. That would be nice.  Also big congrats to Max Verstappen. Only twenty years old but he drives like he is already a double world champion. Are we witnessing now the beginning of the Verstappen era? |
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Post by Carl on Oct 30, 2017 0:08:28 GMT
Rene,
Yes to all your points, especially the dawn of the era of Max Verstappen.
I was disappointed that the race quickly lost the scope of promise it began with. Max Verstappen, who was extraordinary and probably unbeatable, was the only one of the four most intriguing drivers to remain at the front with a chance. Hamilton and Vettel were at the back immediately because of unnecessary contact and Daniel Ricciardo, with the upgraded Renault engine, soon into 7th from a penalized eighth row, was out entirely.
Imagine what the race could have been with all four fighting for the win.
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Post by Jamie on Oct 30, 2017 8:44:51 GMT
Concur with you both gents, Max Verstappen took a very assured win here, it really did look easy for him. How many Championships will he gather? Plenty I think, he really is some talent. The Red Bull is very strong also now so the last two races will be interesting; Red Bull need to carry this form into next year and then perhaps we’ll have at least a 3 team fight for the 2018 title - here’s hoping 😀
Congratulations to Lewis - a well deserved championship this year and remarkable form for most of the season. I wanted him to win obviously so I actually enjoyed the race as it was quite tense watching Vettel climb the order with his blistering pace at the end. It was a step to far though, even for Vettel.
I thought Seb was very magnanimous afterwards though you could tell he was extremely disappointed and the little exchange between the two in the pen after the race was good to see. I expect it would have been slightly less cordial if Hamilton didn’t wrap the title up however!
No holds barred for the final two races.....should be good. I expect Vettel to win at least one of them.
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Post by René on Oct 30, 2017 12:15:59 GMT
I was disappointed that the race quickly lost the scope of promise it began with. Imagine what the race could have been with all four fighting for the win. Yes, if there is one thing that was disappointing about the 2017 season it is probably this. We were waiting and longing many times for a direct battle between the 'big boys' but unfortunately it never really happened. The exception maybe Spa but there it was almost impossible for Seb to attack Lewis. Still great that Ferrari made such a big step and really challenged Mercedes. Lets indeed hope for a 3 team fight next year! |
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Post by robmarsh on Oct 30, 2017 16:54:42 GMT
JohnCharles, In this month's [much improved in my humble opinion] MotorSport there is an interview with BCE, which I have to confess struggled to read, the rest of the magazine seems very good and I will try the interview again, but had noted my teeth grinding when I was reading his comments, so may have to do some meditation first or perhaps a whisky before I attempt to read the interview again, Just the mention of BCE makes me grind my teeth and want to do physical harm |
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Post by charleselan on Oct 30, 2017 17:13:24 GMT
JohnCharles, In this month's [much improved in my humble opinion] MotorSport there is an interview with BCE, which I have to confess struggled to read, the rest of the magazine seems very good and I will try the interview again, but had noted my teeth grinding when I was reading his comments, so may have to do some meditation first or perhaps a whisky before I attempt to read the interview again, Just the mention of BCE makes me grind my teeth and want to do physical harm
However I would really like to get the real truth from him, and Moseley, about those times in the 1990's and the supposed favouritism of Ferrari. Brundle's reaction to being questioned about it on SKY was thoroughly entertaining as he looked like a man stepping on broken glass, as he hopped about trying to commit himself to any realistic answer; he reminded me of a politician. |
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Post by charleselan on Oct 30, 2017 17:42:14 GMT
My comments about the Mexican GP 2017 might not concur with many of the keyboard jockey's and "fan boys" but this is my take on the event.
Firstly it is a rubbish circuit with two longish straights and a some Mickey Mouse stadium sections, and with little opportunity to make any competitive passing, which i am certain lead to what happened in the first "chicane". Note I use the term "chicane" for that is what it is not three corners as the media would have people believe.
Many have already condemned Sebastian for deliberately slicing Hamilton's rear tyre, which is not correct in my opinion and a view shared with Martin Brundle. I believe that all three drivers at the front were partially instrumental in what took place and for that the stewards called it correctly.
Firstly we have Max in full "Ayrton mode" i.e. I either come out in front or we crash. In years gone by a driver in his position would have shown some respect for a guy fighting for the championship and given him some slacK, but sadly in todays world we do not do things like that. I also get the feeling that there is some agenda between these two, as it happens quite often (Silverstone) and Max almost enjoys the conflict.
Secondly we have the opportunist overtake by Lewis Hamilton which seemed more ego driven to me than anything else, as most triple WC's would have refrained from the move knowing that all he had to do was sit behind Vettel and as Max was already in front it was job done. To this observer not the cleverest of moves by someone being lauded as a great!
Other than that I feel that Max drove a superb race in a car that was absolutely performing to the highest level. He reminds me more of Ayrton than Lewis Hamilton ever will, and that will be the defining line between the two over the next few years. I was also very impressed with Sebastian's comeback drive, he really was driving at a stunning level. Also it was a great relief that Ferrari did not pull Kimi over to let him past, even though it woulds have been futile.
Some great drives also took place that have largely gone unnoticed by the majority. Nico Hulkenburg was superb in the Renault and yet again was deprived of a result that truly reflected such an outstanding drive.
We have discussed Kevin Magnussen on here recently but his drive yesterday was of the highest quality in my opinion in what was theoretically the slowest car in Mexico. If Kevin keeps producing drives like that he will be around for many years.
Young Gasley got scant coverage but that performance was outstanding considering he only did four or five laps in practice and no qualification at all. I really believe that he and Brendon Hartley will form a very good pairing at Torro Rosso next season, and with any luck the Honda motor (sorry PU) will begin to deliver.
One wonders what the Williams would have done with a feisty driver at the wheel, someone like Robert Kubica comes to mind .
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Post by chrisb on Oct 30, 2017 17:56:15 GMT
when I worked for an oil company I got to know people who knew people, including the infamous Kray twins, who - well whilst it was never said was certainly 'hinted' at that BCE knew them, to what extent I have no idea and cared little to find out, but methinks that explains more than is ever printed
I would be intrigued by these allegations of favouritism and without I hope offending our Ferrari fans I am still perplexed how Ross explained away 'it's how you measure' the barge boards episode - if these allegations are proven - what happens then?
As for the race I listened to it curtesy of R5 as I do like Allan McNish's comments and insight - the gushy rhetoric towards Lewis is a bit too much at times but overall it's ok- I was so disappointed for everyone who wanted the fight to continue to Brazil, myself included, and having not seen the 1st lap contremp have no idea if anyone was actually at fault or not? not only that the 3 drivers I really wanted ot do well, Daniel , the Hulk and Hartley all retired, which was a shame,
roll on Brazil with no holdbacks
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Post by chrisb on Oct 30, 2017 17:59:29 GMT
JC, our posts crossed and I hadn't read your latest one, you pre-empt me Sir, thank you and bless you,
good point about Kevin, hopefully this becomes a springboard,
I think I would rather the Toro Rosso line up at Williams!
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Post by Carl on Oct 30, 2017 22:06:32 GMT
My comments on the event.... the opportunist overtake by Lewis Hamilton which seemed more ego driven to me than anything else, as most triple WC's would have refrained from the move knowing that all he had to do was sit behind Vettel and as Max was already in front it was job done. To this observer not the cleverest of moves by someone being lauded as a great!
Other than that I feel that Max drove a superb race in a car that was absolutely performing to the highest level. He reminds me more of Ayrton than Lewis Hamilton ever will, and that will be the defining line between the two over the next few years.
One wonders what the Williams would have done with a feisty driver at the wheel, someone like Robert Kubica comes to mind
John Charles, Your comments are comprehensive and well-founded as always. I completely agree about Max Verstappen and also that a competitive team should give Robert Kubica more than a test. However, while Hamilton deserves being lauded as a great driver, I don't know of anyone who regards him as clever. |
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