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Post by charleselan on Jan 2, 2018 14:27:50 GMT
This morning I checked YouTube for a possible download to check some new software on my Windows PC and amazed myself by finding a truly superb highlights film of the 1970 British GP from Brands Hatch. The quality of the film is superb considering it comes from 1970 and is in full colour also.
What is apparent from this race was the pretty tight duel between Jochen Rindt and "Black" Jack Brabham; Jochen looking incredibly loose at times and Jack really menacing. I don't think either would have had a look in had not Jacky Ickx Ferrari 312B retired as he was in stupendous form, the young Belgian Maestro at the height of his F1 powers. Sad to see all the Yardley BRM's retire, Pedro very early on after running fourth.
JYS taking a drink from Ken Tyrrell during a tyre change, not a good day for the team or any March for that matter.
In the comments on the YT site some moron actually said the cars looked slow, bet he wouldn't have said that if he had been sat in one, or for that matter track side.
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Post by Jamie on Jan 2, 2018 18:15:17 GMT
Nice footage that and it doesn't look slow to me! Great to see the cars with some suspension movement and squirming around under power exiting the corners, it reminds me how much I love Brands as well.
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Post by charleselan on Jan 2, 2018 18:22:52 GMT
You have nailed it there Jamie. The suspension movement, cars moving around both on braking and acceleration; plus Brands being a great circuit.
Also you could see the guys working away at the wheel and all without onboard cameras, wonderful.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 18:26:44 GMT
One of my few really favourite tracks. That year was the one on the opening credits of "The Persuaders". Yours truly, Brett Sinclair.  |
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Post by Jamie on Jan 2, 2018 18:33:49 GMT
One of my few really favourite tracks. That year was the one on the opening credits of "The Persuaders". Yours truly, Brett Sinclair. This made me smile Lucio........Lord Brett Sinclair no less  |
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Post by charleselan on Jan 2, 2018 18:37:35 GMT
One of my few really favourite tracks. That year was the one on the opening credits of "The Persuaders". Yours truly, Brett Sinclair. This made me smile Lucio........Lord Brett Sinclair no less Are you chaps watching it again now that it is being shown on one of the Drama channels . |
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Post by Carl on Jan 2, 2018 21:36:40 GMT
Wonderful race! I can only echo your comments about Brands Hatch and how the suspensions actually suspend and the steering wheels control drift. Great car control clearly visible, and all by direct control of the drivers themselves. Jack Brabham was robbed twice that year (albeit by his own mistake at Monaco) and otherwise might have had a well deserved 4th championship in his last year. The announcers took half a minute to realize Jacky Ickx (another worthy championship contender) was the dramatically slowing car being passed by the Lotus and Brabham. They must have notes and other distractions because they were otherwise excellent. I had to do a search for "The Persuaders". Was it a good program? The cast suggests maybe so, but I'd trade the whole lot for Susan George at full sneer.  |
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Post by chrisb on Jan 2, 2018 21:43:44 GMT
strangely enough John I watched this clip this evening, the barging on the first lap was very interesting I thought, but didn't the cars look great, and seeing the 72 in action was a joy - but as you say Ickx was mighty rapid to start with
whoever this nincompoop was who suggested they looked slow obviously has never seen anything quicker than a screen,
also just appeared on you-tub is a really excellent piece on the 1953 Le Mans, in glorious colour as well, and just digressing back to another post John this clip really does show you just how narrow that pit-straight was and was an accident waiting to happen
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Post by René on Jan 3, 2018 0:57:59 GMT
Wonderful footage! Beautiful cars on a beautiful track and boy, Ickx was flying at the beginning!
What also stands out in comparison to modern racing is the reliability factor. Nothing we can do about it, its called progress, but lack of reliability in those days also meant races where unpredictable. Even if one guy or team was faster than all else. The almost bullet proof reliability that became the norm since the late 90's has taken that lottery element away.
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Post by mikael on Jan 3, 2018 6:30:21 GMT
Wonderful! – truly wonderful – including the narration/commenting. Yes, movies like this testify that evolution and "progress" has not necessarily made everything "better" – in the sense of "spectacularness" and fascination.
The piercing "scream" of the Matra V12 is marvelous. Even if the Matra is rarely in focus, one is not in doubt of its presence (during the first few laps in particular).
(Edit: made anything "better" --> made everything "better")
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Post by mikael on Jan 3, 2018 6:46:36 GMT
That year was the one on the opening credits of "The Persuaders". I recall being completely absorbed in that short "flash" of F1 every Saturday evening - since that short flash constituted basically all the F1 that was ever shown on Danish television at that time. (F1 was sometimes shown on Swedish TV, but we were mostly out on Sundays - and missed it.) (In Denmark the "The Persuaders" series was called "The Unlucky Heroes" - in Danish: "De Uheldige Helte".) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 7:37:17 GMT
I had to do a search for "The Persuaders". Was it a good program? The cast suggests maybe so, but I'd trade the whole lot for Susan George at full sneer. I was a huge fan in the early '70s, didn't miss an episode. Loved the music theme Mikael has posted above.
In Italy it was called "Attenti a quei due", "Beware of those two".
Tony Curtis is a legend!
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Post by charleselan on Jan 3, 2018 12:09:31 GMT
Tony Curtis was indeed a legend; brilliant in "Some Like It Hot" and Monte Carlo Or Bust" to name but two. Roger Moore was a wonderful guy with a beautiful sense of self deprecation, unfounded as he was very good at his craft, but more importantly a great human being.
The Persuaders were typical of the 1970's and almost appear comic strip like when viewed today, but it was excellent light hearted fun with no nastiness present as there is in so much made today.
The two cars in it were also very tasty.
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Post by charleselan on Jan 3, 2018 13:37:02 GMT
Wonderful! – truly wonderful – including the narration/commenting. Yes, movies like this testify that evolution and "progress" has not necessarily made everything "better" – in the sense of "spectacularness" and fascination. The piercing "scream" of the Matra V12 is marvelous. Even if the Matra is rarely in focus, one is not in doubt of its presence (during the first few laps in particular). (Edit: made anything "better" --> made everything "better") Talking of the Matra did you see poor "Pesca" had stuck his into the railway sleepers at Clark Curve; pretty unyielding those things and they were on most UK circuits in those days and not something you wanted to end up making contact with at speed. Fortunately the bearded one was fine but the car not so. It was such a pleasure seeing those cars once more and as you mention Mikael, progress has not necessarily made things better. |
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Post by robmarsh on Jan 4, 2018 9:40:13 GMT
A superb clip. Thanks Charles for sharing. Also enjoyed the discussion about the Persuaders, a series I never missed and really enjoyable in it's innocence compared to the evil that stalks out TVs these days. Some comments on the race. Ickx lost his second race in a row having lead at Clement Ferrand a couple of weeks previously before dropping out with valve trouble. Brabham also lost his second race when in a dominant position. The story for many years was that a certain Ron Dennis had forgotten to change the fuel metering system and it ran too rich. Apparently he tried to adjust ir after the race and Brabham caught him doing it. The BT33 was obviously a very good car, no wonder Brabham and Goodyear didn't want JYS to have one. Brands Hatch showed how poor the March chassis really was. I can't believe Ronnie Peterson would be struggling to beat Hill on that circuit in a car that was three years younger. Jochen Rindt was lucky to win the championship in 1970 though I am not saying he didn't deserve to and tragically he wasn't there to receive the accolades. There were four races he won that he should have finished second or third in. In the end it balances out his 1969 season where there were races he should have won but didn't. I agree whole heartedly with Rene re the reliability factor. That alone kept you on the edge of your seat, even if your favourite was a lap ahead. I don't think the reliability of today's cars adds anything at all to the enjoyment. Finally, I was enthralled watching the race even though I knew the result. The cars didn't look slow and the drivers were obviously trying very hard. I could watch them all day, whereas sometimes these days I am happy when the race is over.
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