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Post by robmarsh on Jul 7, 2024 8:02:14 GMT
Mikael re your comment on the spray from modern F1 cars compared to 1960s, did you know that in 1963 Jim Clark won four Grand Prix in a row using the same set of tyres. I think they were Dunlop R7 green spots. They were definitely Dunlops. That is over 1200 racing miles on one set, a fine testimony to how easy Jim Clark was on his equipment.
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Post by René on Jul 7, 2024 11:37:17 GMT
Mikael re your comment on the spray from modern F1 cars compared to 1960s, did you know that in 1963 Jim Clark won four Grand Prix in a row using the same set of tyres. I think they were Dunlop R7 green spots. They were definitely Dunlops. That is over 1200 racing miles on one set, a fine testimony to how easy Jim Clark was on his equipment. That’s an interesting anecdote about Clark and the tyres. It has always been about tyres, hasn’t it. I doubt though that those Dunlop R7s would last half a lap on a modern F1 car.   |
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Post by René on Jul 7, 2024 16:15:47 GMT
That was a great race! Congrats to Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes.  Hopefully we will see more races like this and if Ferrari could join the fight again, we could be in for some epic races. And old school circuits always deliver the best racing. Great stuff. |
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Post by robmarsh on Jul 7, 2024 17:46:21 GMT
A great race and a great result. Chuffed for Sir Lewis.
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Post by René on Jul 7, 2024 21:03:43 GMT
A great race and a great result. Chuffed for Sir Lewis. Yes, me too Rob. This was a very good win and the emotions afterwards were genuine and nice to see. A shame about Ferrari but I still enjoyed the race very much. |
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Post by Carl on Jul 8, 2024 0:28:50 GMT
None of us chose Hamilton! He drove an excellent race to a well-deserved victory.
David Croft must have been in a patriotic frenzy before breakfast. Neutrality is a foreign concept on rupert murdoch's network, whether in sports or global politics. If I had a thruppence for each time Croft exclaimed "Brit, Brit, Brit", I could treat our entire round table to dinner.
He exceeded the limits of rationality more than once. Comparing Ferrari's poor choice of soft tyres for Charles Leclerc and the better choice by Mercedes of hard tyres for Lewis Hamilton, he offered a laptime comparison, 1:30 for Hamilton and 2:00 for Leclerc that was entirely irrelevant, "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing", after which Martin Brundle patiently pointed out that Leclerc had just pitted and was on an outlap with cold tyres. One day, Brundle may decline gentle correction and we'll find out how high David Croft bounces on tarmac.
Quotation from Macbeth by William Shakespeare
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Post by Carl on Jul 8, 2024 0:39:43 GMT
Mikael re your comment on the spray from modern F1 cars compared to 1960s, did you know that in 1963 Jim Clark won four Grand Prix in a row using the same set of tyres. I think they were Dunlop R7 green spots. They were definitely Dunlops. That is over 1200 racing miles on one set, a fine testimony to how easy Jim Clark was on his equipment. Great observation, Rob
I was fascinated by the unusual effect of spray behind the front wheel in one of the modern comparison photos posted by Mikael, an almost cookie-cutter duplication of the size and shape of the tyre and wheel formed along the sidepod for a very brief moment.
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Post by René on Jul 8, 2024 9:43:43 GMT
What a disappointing race again for Ferrari. They started the season as the second best team, not far behind Red Bull. They won twice and Charles was not far behind Max in the points table. Now they have fallen behind McLaren and Mercedes. They’re still second in the constructors and Charles is only a few points behind Lando but they could have been much closer had they scored descent points since Monaco. I saw Charles in an interview after the race and he looked completely demoralized. I am sure he’ll bounce back but this is not good. The upgrades clearly didn’t work and they seem lost now. Get Newey. Promise him a new boat, a Ferrari supercar project and a Tuscan villa. Get him.  |
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Post by chrisb on Jul 8, 2024 11:22:58 GMT
A friend of mine's son is a marshal at Silverstone and offered us weekend tickets for the GP< including grandstand seats, far far too good an opportunity to miss methinks, so off we trundled in the pouring bleep bleep rain, yup we were on our bikes to avoid the horrors of the M1 motorway which was a nightmare and the huge queues getting into Silverstone,
Saturday was just awful and just wet wet wet-
Sunday much better and we parked in a far more sensible place, free for motorbikes, excellent,
We were opposite the old pit straight and I am sorry but the highlight was a few laps driven at high speeds by some old F1 cars, including a Williams BMW and an FW07 which sounded gorgeous
the atmosphere in the grandstands was brilliant, I loved it, every lap George, Lando or Lewis led was met with cheers and clapping, the chap behind me was very voracious in his support of Lewis, which was great,
the rain!! my word, one thing I would say especially in the Porsche cup was just how the track quickly dried where we were.
Ferrari, actually Carlos looked ok against Max whereas Charles just looked slow as did Perez, who really struggled against Kevin. excellent drive by the Hulk and he looked good, he looked quick, but the Brits and Aussie up until the tyre changes were so much better than anyone else and then of course what happened happened.
Great win for Lewis
Going back to your comments about Jimmy and his tyre management what the brake technicians also used to say he was the only driver in their experience who wore out his brakes equally, how I have no idea and I don't think they did. Of course I was wearing a Jim Clark polo shirt and one of the stewards a young guy maybe late teens was a Jimmy fan, hope yet!
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Post by René on Jul 8, 2024 14:47:29 GMT
Oh wow Chris, you were actually there! Lucky you and what a day to be there.  Sounds you had a great time with your friend and not a bad place to sit on a grandstand me thinks. The FW07 is one of my all time favorite (non Ferrari) F1 cars, so beautiful. What did you think of the modern machinery? Except for the noise that is, the old cars sounded better I know. I almost dare not ask… but did you guys take photos that you could share?  |
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Post by Carl on Jul 8, 2024 16:58:09 GMT
Chris, What a fantastic experience you had! Where did you stay overnight? A tent would have been cool I slept in a tent once at Riverside in the infield and had great fun!
Which of the current F1 cars sounds the best? Are they all the same asthmatic? Could you see the Red Bull dramatics at Copse Corner from your grandstand?
Cheers, Carl
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Post by mikael on Jul 8, 2024 17:04:13 GMT
Mikael re your comment on the spray from modern F1 cars compared to 1960s, did you know that in 1963 Jim Clark won four Grand Prix in a row using the same set of tyres. I think they were Dunlop R7 green spots. They were definitely Dunlops. That is over 1200 racing miles on one set, a fine testimony to how easy Jim Clark was on his equipment.
Thanks Rob - a driver with such an immense natural talent and such a sense for the well-being of the material is indeed fascinating.
I know this may be of limited interest for the RRT members, and also completely out of place here; but I cannot help to think also about a motocross rider of name Stefan Everts. He was a ten-times motocross World Champion, and a World Champion in every MX category: one time in the 125cc category, three times in the 250cc category, and six times in the premier class, the 500cc/MX1 category. He had a reputation very similar to that of Jim Clark: super-fast, yet extremely easy on the material. In the 125cc and 250cc categories, he was known for actually running in a gear higher than anyone else, and never letting the engine "ring out" in each gear, as most riders did/do. Just keeping the revs where the torque has its maximum.
Looking at photos of him, one can easily sense his smooth and easy-on-the equipment - yet flowing and super-fast style.
(It's interesting to note that his father, Harry Everts, was four-times motocross World Champion, so he was clearly brought up in the field where he came to excel.)
I wanted to mention him, because I think he was somehow of a similar caliber as Jim Clark (yes, I really think so!), yet in another field of motor sport, of course. Drivers/riders of this caliber are rare indeed - there's probably not even one every 50 years ...
Stefan Everts in 1996
In 2002
Again in 2002
Stefan Everts with Kimi Raikkonen
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Post by Carl on Jul 8, 2024 17:47:52 GMT
Mikael, We've had several discussions about motorcyle racing and your post is entirely relevant. Jacky Ickx began 50cc trials riding and was soon European champion. He impressed Ken Tyrrell in a test and was on his way to F1 greatness using the same skills.
Whether driving F1 or riding MotoGP: it's the same natural talent that allows for greatness.
A young trials rider  Revisiting his old Zündapp  |
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Post by Carl on Jul 8, 2024 19:00:14 GMT
A great race and a great result. Chuffed for Sir Lewis. Yes, me too Rob. This was a very good win and the emotions afterwards were genuine and nice to see. A shame about Ferrari but I still enjoyed the race very much. Someone changed their vote  Sound the alarm! Call the proboard police!! |
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Post by René on Jul 8, 2024 19:21:46 GMT
Yes, me too Rob. This was a very good win and the emotions afterwards were genuine and nice to see. A shame about Ferrari but I still enjoyed the race very much. Someone changed their vote Sound the alarm! Call the proboard police!! This is outrageous! Changing your vote after the race is illegal. You’re busted Mr. Slate!   |
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Sound the alarm! Call the proboard police!!