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Post by chrisb on Jan 7, 2024 11:50:41 GMT
the above has been released over here with some publicity, I guess the main reason I am mentioning it is that I came across an interview [in Italian but with subtitles] with Piero Lardi-Ferrari about what was accurate and what was done 'under licence' shall we say, and that is worth looking at,
not sure why Jean Behra played by Phil's son Derek, was featured as he was injured during the pre-test and didn't participate in the 1957 Mille Miglia, but there are some other positives, Ben Collins the former 'Stig' as Stirling and Marino Franchitti as Castelloti, not sure I know the actor playing Peter Collins but hope they capture his essence and just how close he came to winning it. and of course it does feature the lovely Penelope Cruz, not so stunning in this one but still the same.
IMDB's rating 6.8 out of 10, so not a great score, but not a bad score either, I am hoping to get out to watch it or may wait for it to become available,
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Post by René on Jan 7, 2024 18:57:42 GMT
Yes, I'm curious about this movie too!  |
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Post by Carl on Jan 7, 2024 20:11:18 GMT
Time (and racing-knowledgeable reviewers) will tell about "Ferrari", but I am skeptical that most film critics approach it as more about Michael Mann, the director, than the subject, almost as though Enzo Ferrari continues to forbid and intimidate decades after his death.
My current favorites include "The Racers" (1955), with technical advisors Phil Hill and John Fitch most likely responsible for the great racing footage enlivening an otherwise soap opera story, and "Grand Prix", with a very good script, wonderful cameo appearances and gorgeous the Jessica Walter  ... Director Frankenheimer and cinematographer Lindon's portrayal of racing as beautifully harmonious ballet is magical. They had no need for widescreen cinerama (as originally screened), or for exaggeration.
Also excellent is "LeMans", with experienced racer and executive producer Steve McQueen able to present a realistic portrayal of the epic duel between Porsche and Ferrari in 1970. Ron Howard has directed several excellent films, but "Rush" wasn't one. The essence of motorsport has to appear somewhere in a film about racing, but dramatic excitement is too often used to conceal lack of knowledge or a bad screenplay.
Otherwise good intentions led to "LeMans '66" ("Ford vs. Ferrari") exaggerating the achievements of Carroll Shelby, a very good driver, an idea man and consummate con artist who blew his own horn as a guiding light, but was not crucial to the GT-40 successes. Shelby's two great ideas were the original Cobra and the GT-350 Mustang, but the execution was left for others like Phil Remington on the original roadster, and Peter Brock, who envisioned and designed the Cobra Daytona Coupe, and left when the acclaim that came his way angered the boss.
Adam Driver is a fine actor, but doesn't look at all like Enzo Ferrari. A better choice could have been found in the ranks of excellent character actors. How best to portray strength of will? A simplistic perception of human nature may have tipped the choice in favor of someone physically imposing. Cut! That's a take! 
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Post by mikael on Jan 10, 2024 22:16:48 GMT
The very last "flash" of the trailer is quite interesting; it is the starting ramp for Mille Miglia 1957 (the very last Mille Miglia).
For Alfonso de Portago (#531), it was the end. For Piero Taruffi (#535), it was a final, long-awaited, much-deserved, end-of-career, glorious victory.
The Ferrari team
Alfonso de Portago
Alfonso de Portago
Piero Taruffi. The lady on the ramp, holding the flag, is Signora Taruffi
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Post by Carl on Jan 11, 2024 21:10:14 GMT
When I heard about the movie, I wondered which excellent actor best encapsulated the appearance of Enzo Ferrari.
Paul Giamatti   |
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Post by René on Jan 13, 2024 10:28:26 GMT
When I heard about the movie, I wondered which excellent actor best encapsulated the appearance of Enzo Ferrari. Yes I agree, Carl. I have not seen the movie yet but reviews are generally good. The acting will certainly be good, but a leading actor who looked more like the real Enzo would have made it easier to empathize with the character. But as I understand it, it is not so much a racing film like Grand Prix or Le Mans, but more focused on the motivations and personal dramas of Enzo Ferrari. But just like in Le Mans, they have found a Hollywood actor with real racing experience. Although not for the leading role, but still. |
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Post by mikael on Jan 13, 2024 13:55:51 GMT
Ah ... if I had done even just the slightest bit of research, I would have known that Mille Miglia 1957 is a main theme of the movie ... 
Anyway, Piero Taruffi's wonderful book "The Techniques of Motor Racing" (my absolute favorite motor racing book) was written in 1958 (and appeared in 1959); so, unsurprisingly, it contains a good deal of photos from Mille Miglia 1957 ...
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Post by Carl on Jan 13, 2024 17:42:06 GMT
When I heard about the movie, I wondered which excellent actor best encapsulated the appearance of Enzo Ferrari. Paul Giamatti Yes I agree, Carl. I have not seen the movie yet but reviews are generally good. The acting will certainly be good, but a leading actor who looked more like the real Enzo would have made it easier to empathize with the character. But as I understand it, it is not so much a racing film like Grand Prix or Le Mans, but more focused on the motivations and personal dramas of Enzo Ferrari. But just like in Le Mans, they have found a Hollywood actor with real racing experience. Although not for the leading role, but still. I've heard more about Dempsey than I've seen, thanks to good luck. His expressions on the video remind me of the boy in 4th grade every girl thinks is "so cute". Best known for two decades on a television soap opera as "Doctor Dreamy", I understand he's a very good driver, something lost on the two hosts who were almost falling over in his presence.
Hollywood studios spend millions cultivating good looks and wasting it, and very few actors come out in one piece from being assessed "gorgeous". Paul Newman, one of those few, was so contemptuous of Hollywood that he stayed as far away as he could in Connecticut. Less talented and intelligent actors are delighted to be pretty boys...
I think the producers of "Ferrari" chose the imposing Adam Driver to better represent the magnetism and strength of will possessed by Ferrari. Only racing fans will notice the dissimilarity.
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Post by René on Jan 13, 2024 18:15:37 GMT
Yes I agree, Carl. I have not seen the movie yet but reviews are generally good. The acting will certainly be good, but a leading actor who looked more like the real Enzo would have made it easier to empathize with the character. But as I understand it, it is not so much a racing film like Grand Prix or Le Mans, but more focused on the motivations and personal dramas of Enzo Ferrari. But just like in Le Mans, they have found a Hollywood actor with real racing experience. Although not for the leading role, but still. I've heard more about Dempsey than I've seen, thanks to good luck. His expressions on the video remind me of the boy in 4th grade every girl thinks is "so cute". Best known for two decades on a television soap opera as "Doctor Dreamy", I understand he's a very good driver, something lost on the two hosts who were almost falling over in his presence. Hollywood studios spend millions cultivating good looks and wasting it, and very few actors come out in one piece from being assessed "gorgeous". Paul Newman, one of those few, was so contemptuous of Hollywood that he stayed as far away as he could in Connecticut. Less talented and intelligent actors are delighted to be pretty boys...
I think the producers of "Ferrari" chose the imposing Adam Driver to better represent the magnetism and strength of will possessed by Ferrari. Only racing fans will notice the dissimilarity.
Ha ha, you’re right of course about Dr. Dreamy.  But he was/is actually a good driver. Always a racing fan since childhood, like us, he decided he wanted to be an actor becoming racing driver like Paul Newman. And he did and even did Le Mans. The money he earned with Grey’s Anatomy certainly helped but in all fairness, he had the talent. But not as good as Newman… on all accounts. |
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Post by René on Jan 13, 2024 18:20:23 GMT
Gregor Grant (Author, Journalist, Racing car driver) famously said of de Portago: "a man like Portago appears only once in a generation, and it would probably be more accurate to say only once in a lifetime. The fellow does everything fabulously well. Never mind the driving, the steeplechasing, the bobsledding, the athletic side of things, never mind being fluent in 4 languages. (...) He could be the best bridge player in the world if he cared to try, he could certainly be a great soldier, and I suspect he could be a fine writer".
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Post by mikael on Apr 1, 2024 14:46:21 GMT
Adam Driver is a fine actor ...
It would be a superb name for a racing driver - on par with Lake Speed; and Scott Speed ...
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Post by Carl on Apr 1, 2024 17:20:24 GMT
"Ferrari" came and went almost unnoticed, although apparently very well done. Has anyone seen it?
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Post by mikael on Apr 1, 2024 18:18:16 GMT
"Ferrari" came and went almost unnoticed, although apparently very well done. Has anyone seen it?
Here in Denmark it has been very low-key. I'm not even sure it has been running here in Aarhus (which nonetheless is Denmark's second-largest city, after Copenhagen); in whatever way, it went "under the radar" for me ...
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Post by chrisb on Apr 3, 2024 10:02:14 GMT
In the UK it seemed to peak very quickly and disappear, I am aiming to watch it via TV at some stage, but films that take 'licence' with the truth always annoy me, for crying out loud the real race was exciting enough.
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Post by René on Apr 3, 2024 16:20:56 GMT
I've also missed it in the cinema so I'll wait for the DVD or another source.
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... Director Frankenheimer and cinematographer Lindon's portrayal of racing as beautifully harmonious ballet is magical. They had no need for widescreen cinerama (as originally screened), or for exaggeration. 
But he was/is actually a good driver. Always a racing fan since childhood, like us, he decided he wanted to be an actor becoming racing driver like Paul Newman. And he did and even did Le Mans. The money he earned with Grey’s Anatomy certainly helped but in all fairness, he had the talent. But not as good as Newman… on all accounts.