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Post by Carl on Feb 22, 2021 1:05:59 GMT
Great bit of information in that Mikael, I had no idea of this multiple world champion. Not had anything to do with karting to be honest, it was a branch of motor sport that seemed to pass me by for some reason or other. The other day Carl made a valid comment about Canadian George Eaton who drove briefly works BRM cars in both F1 and Can Am, and to the effect that Eaton was pretty average as a driver whose interest waned quite quickly. Can't disagree with that assessment, however I wonder how good George Eaton would have been had he had the intense tutorage that Stroll Jnr has had all his life. John and Mikael, I have to admit a bias against wealthy trust fund babies buying a seat that by rights should be offered to drivers with less money but more talent. When I was still in my twenties, eager but without a trust fund, I had a memorable dream in which I drove into the pits at Riverside in a Formula Ford, having just set a track record, and a very impressed Colin Chapman offered me a contract. I threw my helmet down on the ground and told him his contract offer was too late! One characteristic of many spoiled children is the conviction that the silver spoon in their mouth at birth was deserved. The excellent Governor of Texas, Ann Richards, insulted the wealthy but quite dense George W. Bush with great insight during a gubernatorial debate, declaring that Bush was born on 3rd base and thinks he hit a triple. Because such arrogance can interfere with learning, it's difficult to know if George Eaton would have learned more than Lance Stroll from the lessons of Mike Wilson. Curiously, neither was offered a contract by Chapman. Not all wealthy children are spoiled and there are notable exceptions: Phil Hill was born into a well to do, although not wealthy, aristocratic family but still had to work hard for success, and Peter Revson doubly so after his parents denied access to his inheritance. The great success of both was earned, as was respect.
-Carl
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Post by chrisb on Feb 22, 2021 8:02:44 GMT
that is interesting Carl, history is littered with those born into money but didn't have that arrogance that sometimes goes with it, Jimmy, obviously, was pretty well to do but never was there a hint of that 'superiority' that accompanies some others, I don't think Taffy had it either, nor Peter Collins to mention two others, and I am sure there is quite a list of achievers who didn't have that air of spoiled arrogance that creates so much dislike, but probably the one driver whose ancestry could have only been described as 'a silver spoon upbringing' that sticks in my memory is Piers Courage, who most certainly didn't buy any seats and apparently was wonderful company who didn't rely on his ancestry to buy his was anywhere. Pedro was an interesting subject and as he was so loved [out of the car that is] I cannot think he was acting the spoiled child syndrome. Gosh, I could go on to develop this subject,
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Post by Carl on Feb 22, 2021 18:02:17 GMT
that is interesting Carl, history is littered with those born into money but didn't have that arrogance that sometimes goes with it, Jimmy, obviously, was pretty well to do but never was there a hint of that 'superiority' that accompanies some others, I don't think Taffy had it either, nor Peter Collins to mention two others, and I am sure there is quite a list of achievers who didn't have that air of spoiled arrogance that creates so much dislike, but probably the one driver whose ancestry could have only been described as 'a silver spoon upbringing' that sticks in my memory is Piers Courage, who most certainly didn't buy any seats and apparently was wonderful company who didn't rely on his ancestry to buy his was anywhere. Pedro was an interesting subject and as he was so loved [out of the car that is] I cannot think he was acting the spoiled child syndrome. Gosh, I could go on to develop this subject, Chris, Great examples. I was harsh in judgment and didn't mean to condemn an entire stratum of society. There are gentlemen and ladies, in the best sense, at all levels of society. Many born into wealth work hard to succeed, are unburdened by arrogance and conceit and all that you mention are great examples. Two others I can name from my own experience are Rob Walker and Emerson Fittipaldi, both kind and gracious when approached. Those who've been spoiled are usually averse to hard work and seldom become as well known as Eaton and Stroll.  Cheers, Carl |
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Post by chrisb on Feb 23, 2021 7:46:15 GMT
Carl, my friend, I would wholeheartedly agree with all you ever say, and this is a fascinating subject, why do some subjects work hard to succeed and others have it supplied to a point, Rob Walker was amazing, and was a real example of how the 'upper classes' really do interact. wonderful subject Carl
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Post by charleselan on Apr 5, 2021 17:38:38 GMT
Having been on my excellent photo research site which has some absolute beauties today I came across this absolutely stunning photo of François Cevert that I felt everyone here would like. The sharpness is stunning and it captures those far off days to perfection.  |
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Post by chrisb on Apr 6, 2021 10:25:46 GMT
as you say JC - excellent- anything else is superfluous
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Post by René on Aug 7, 2021 11:07:17 GMT
I came across this wonderful photo of these three extremely talented young racers.
There is ambition, promiss and sadness in the same photo. As we all know Anthoine lost his life several years later and Pierre and Charles became Grand Prix winners, Charles even for the first time the day after Anthoine's fatal accident. Life is never fair.
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Post by chrisb on Aug 9, 2021 10:47:43 GMT
life isn't fair is it? that is a poignant photo Rene and one that brings back some beautiful memories and some tragic ones,
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Post by charleselan on Aug 11, 2021 16:45:27 GMT
"Ambition; Promise & Sadness" a perfect title for this poignant photograph. At that stage none of them really knew what waited them, so innocence profound.
Was Charles really so much smaller than Anthoine and Pierre at that stage or is he standing lower down than them? He really is a quite remarkable young man, lost his father I believe when in his first F1 season and then to loose his friend at Spa and then win his first GP the following day, that shows some character as well as immense talent. Apparently he is also the only driver ever to have signed a five year contract with Ferrari.
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Post by René on Aug 11, 2021 18:06:15 GMT
"Ambition; Promise & Sadness" a perfect title for this poignant photograph. At that stage none of them really knew what waited them, so innocence profound. Was Charles really so much smaller than Anthoine and Pierre at that stage or is he standing lower down than them? He really is a quite remarkable young man, lost his father I believe when in his first F1 season and then to loose his friend at Spa and then win his first GP the following day, that shows some character as well as immense talent. Apparently he is also the only driver ever to have signed a five year contract with Ferrari. Charles was still in Formula 2 when his father Hervé died. Four days after his death, Charles won the Baku feature race and the F2 title. Remarkable. And don’t forget Jules Bianchi who was Charles’s godfather and with whom he was very close. And then Anthoine. There’s a lot of tragedy in Charles’s young life. Charles was a small boy at that stage in 2010/11 but already the best. Always on the top spot.  |
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Post by charleselan on Aug 11, 2021 18:46:15 GMT
"Ambition; Promise & Sadness" a perfect title for this poignant photograph. At that stage none of them really knew what waited them, so innocence profound. Was Charles really so much smaller than Anthoine and Pierre at that stage or is he standing lower down than them? He really is a quite remarkable young man, lost his father I believe when in his first F1 season and then to loose his friend at Spa and then win his first GP the following day, that shows some character as well as immense talent. Apparently he is also the only driver ever to have signed a five year contract with Ferrari. Charles was still in Formula 2 when his father Hervé died. Four days after his death, Charles won the Baku feature race and the F2 title. Remarkable. And don’t forget Jules Bianchi who was Charles’s godfather and with whom he was very close. And then Anthoine. There’s a lot of tragedy in Charles’s young life. Charles was a small boy at that stage in 2010/11 but already the best. Always on the top spot. Shows how little interest I take in the lower formula's these days, but i knew it was a significant time in Charles life when he lost his father. Of course I missed out the loss of Jules Bianchi and that was pretty devastating for Charles as well for obvious reasons. |
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Post by mikael on Sept 18, 2021 12:53:07 GMT
I came across the photo below, from the GP of Argentina 1978, when reading a bit about Patrick Depailler. Just some "trivia", but kind of interesting.
Ronnie Peterson is now driving for Lotus; but apparently, the Tyrrell racing overalls from the year before are too good to throw away, and with a pair of new JPS patches sewn on, they'll do just fine.
Of course, it was he first race of the 1978 season, held already on January 15th. This may explain "the rush".
Another photo from Argentina, 1978 |
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Post by René on Sept 18, 2021 17:04:23 GMT
Great photos, Mikael. Those different overalls and personal sponsors sewn on them is unthinkable in this corporate age but it felt more friendly and approachable back then.
Gilles & Jody, teammates but completely different overalls!
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Post by chrisb on Sept 19, 2021 10:09:48 GMT
more brilliant photos chaps, oh those really were halycon days - image nowadays 4 great drivers sitting around having a wee chat - BCE brought an awful lot of wealth to a number of people but my word at an awful cost.
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Post by René on Oct 1, 2021 10:04:41 GMT
A really nice short interview with René Arnoux.  About halfway you see footage of René driving his 1983 car again at Fiorano. |
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