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Post by René on Oct 19, 2022 17:34:27 GMT
 Back in the US of A in Austin Texas. Max Verstappen is World Champion and Red Bull under investigation. They renamed the last corner to Mario Andretti which is kinda nice and I’m sure Mario will also appreciate that. Second in the championship has not been decided yet but would be nice if Charles can hold on. That would be very deserved. Ferrari must win again before season’s end to boost morale but Max will try to beat the 13 wins in a season record. And when will we hear what the FIA has decided on the Red Bull cheating as Zak Brown has called it? |
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Post by chrisb on Oct 20, 2022 10:49:45 GMT
I heard Lewis saying the overspend was in the region of £300,000 I don't know if that is the case and just how much that would buy, however it is against the rules and therefore there needs to be a suitable punishment,
I know a few people who no longer follow F1 following last years debacle are we in for a repeat this year?
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Post by René on Oct 21, 2022 10:29:44 GMT
Chris, I believe we're talking a lot more than $300.000. It's more in the region of $1.8M. The term 'minor' breach is a bit misleading. But whatever it is, it must be punished. And not only a fine but more like Zak Brown suggested; reduced windtunnel time and a lowered budget for the coming season(s).
I know many teams have cheated in the past, including my own fav team, but this is different. If the FIA doesn't come down hard on Red Bull, next time other teams will also overspend 'a little' to gain more performance and simply accept the fine. If that happens, the budget cap is dead inlcuding the FIA's authority.
And what about this season? Following Red Bull's argument that they did nothing wrong and their figures are correct, then how on earth would their spending for this season be within the margins? Red Bull's continues development this season has raised eyebrows on more than one occasion...
Horner can play the betrayed innocence as much as he wants but this should not be accepted.
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Post by robmarsh on Oct 21, 2022 12:05:17 GMT
Agree Rene and the Ferrari punishment put them back two seasons.
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Post by Carl on Oct 21, 2022 15:36:49 GMT
Circuit of the Americas is a stupid name, presumptuous, clumsy and arrogant unless somehow they are able to unite the continents. Austin is a great city for music and culture, but neither has any place in F1. I would love to see Martin Brundle sucker punch a deserving celebrity on the grid and be just as disgusted when he joins the ponderous fool in the broadcast booth!  Except for the blinding red, white and blue, it's a very good track and would be excellent if some idiot hadn't determined that a long straight demanded a mickey mouse section [to protect the observation tower?] where a sweeping turn is called for.
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Post by René on Oct 21, 2022 16:14:47 GMT
Circuit of the Americas is a stupid name, presumptious, clumsy and arrogant unless somehow they are able to unite the continents. Austin is a great city for music and culture, but neither has any place in F1. I would love to see Martin Brundle sucker punch a deserving celebrity on the grid and be just as disgusted when he joins the ponderous fool in the broadcast booth! Except for the blinding red, white and blue, it's a very good track and would be excellent if some idiot hadn't determined that a long straight demanded a mickey mouse section [to protect the observation tower?] where a sweeping turn is called for.
Uniting the United States seems more like a challenge these days then uniting the Americas! 
Overall a very nice track but the painted bright colors are indeed awful.
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Post by René on Oct 22, 2022 23:25:29 GMT
Yes, Forza Ferrari!  |
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Post by Carl on Oct 24, 2022 1:18:57 GMT
Aspects of the race were excellent, most notably the steady progress of Charles Leclerc and the fearlessness of Fernando Alonso after being assaulted by a dulled lance.
Only a confederacy of dunces could have concocted a pre-race with the pace of staged excitement of an elaborate children's party. On the grid, Green Day's drummer was the best interview for poor Martin Brundle, and had David Croft seen Brad Pitt strolling past, regal feet not touching the ground, he would have swooned... Both Ferrari drivers took part in a very silly game they pretended to enjoy while some in attendance who had thought they came to a Formula One Grand Prix went home early. Even the race finale was made tepid when Apple chieftain Tim Cook could barely lift the checkered flag.
His shrewd business acumen led Lawrence Stroll years ago to purchase comprehensive immunity in North America and no penalty is expected for Lance's reckless blocking of Fernando Alonso. The best car won because Red Bull spent more than the other teams. 
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Post by René on Oct 24, 2022 18:23:47 GMT
Not a bad race I must say but the Red Bull is simply too fast. The straight line speed difference to Ferrari and Mercedes is huge so almost impossible to beat at power circuits with long straights.
Sebastian Vettel drove brilliantly and so did Charles Leclerc. Not to take anything away from Verstappen as he drives flawlessly but he simply has the best car right now. But that's F1 of course, the best drivers usually end up in the best cars.
Lewis was also very good by the way. And huge bad luck for Carlos! And the 'other Spaniard' was lucky to get away unhurt with that crash. Lance moved very late, arguably too late but I must say that Fernando's move was also 'on the edge'.
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Talks between Red Bull and the FIA have been moved forward due to the passing of DM but I do wonder why there are talks in the first place. If they (RB) breached the cost cap they should receive a serious penalty. Otherwise it's an easy way to buy a championship... or two...
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Post by Carl on Oct 24, 2022 18:26:52 GMT
Circuit of the Americas is a stupid name, presumptious, clumsy and arrogant unless somehow they are able to unite the continents. Austin is a great city for music and culture, but neither has any place in F1. I would love to see Martin Brundle sucker punch a deserving celebrity on the grid and be just as disgusted when he joins the ponderous fool in the broadcast booth! Except for the blinding red, white and blue, it's a very good track and would be excellent if some idiot hadn't determined that a long straight demanded a mickey mouse section [to protect the observation tower?] where a sweeping turn is called for.
Uniting the United States seems more like a challenge these days then uniting the Americas!
Overall a very nice track but the painted bright colors are indeed awful.
Unity is a lost cause. Our democracy was less than perfect, nice while it lasted, but it may not stand against a global surge of authoritarianism providing simple answers for stupid people. |
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Post by René on Oct 24, 2022 18:30:07 GMT
Uniting the United States seems more like a challenge these days then uniting the Americas! Overall a very nice track but the painted bright colors are indeed awful.
Unity is a lost cause. Our democracy was less than perfect, nice while it lasted, but it may not stand against a global surge of authoritarianism providing simple answers for stupid people. Very true Carl. Sad but true. |
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Post by René on Oct 25, 2022 22:38:24 GMT
I found this comment from JV quite interesting.
Jacques Villeneuve says the way Formula 1 cars have developed over the past 16 years is "amazing". The 1997 world champion, whose last grand prix was with BMW in 2006, was given the chance to drive a 2021 Alpine recently at Monza. According to Le Journal de Montreal, he was ultimately less than a second slower than the reference time set by Esteban Ocon on the same day.
"It's amazing how the cars have evolved," Villeneuve, 51, said. "The brakes are spectacular, especially as it's no longer necessary to press the pedal down fully. These cars stick to the track in an impressive way. You can approach the corners at very high speed with a lot of confidence. It was quite a mind-blowing experience. The car felt so stable and, all in all, quite easy to drive. There's a lot of grip."
The French Canadian said the most difficult part of the experience was adjusting to just how quickly the world races past at modern F1 speeds.
"The brain has a hard time understanding the speed," said Villeneuve. "You feel like you're watching a movie in fast forward.
Source: Grandprix.com
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Post by mikael on Oct 26, 2022 11:57:08 GMT
An interesting read, and interesting thoughts indeed, René.
It’s interesting to think about this evolution also from a fan- (i.e., from our own) perspective. Being a spectator at an actual trackside, from the majority of possible vantage points, it’s highly unlikely that you will be able to witness an actual overtake. Mostly, you will just see cars “fly by”, one by one. Hence, it’s actually desirable that the cars are as fast as possible! Watching a car go through a corner at an almost surreal speed is fascinating indeed.
On the other hand, this doesn’t work well at all on a TV screen. There, you want to see overtakes and wheel-to-wheel battles; but of course, the shorter the braking distances the more difficult these things become.
I think, also, that we have all agreed earlier that GPs of the mid- and late 60s are an absolute pleasure to watch (on the TV screen), and in most cases, much more exciting than the present-day GP’s.
Finally, to reiterate on an old point, the present turbo-engines continue to sound rather dull on TV; yet at the trackside, I believe that most spectators think that they actually sound quite good.
Thus, you could say that Grand Prix racing, as it is, has been optimized for the at-track audience – and not for the TV audience.
It’s a point for discussion if this is how it should be, or not. |
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Post by mikael on Oct 26, 2022 13:00:47 GMT
Audi going into F1, with Sauber, from 2026 :-D
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Post by René on Oct 26, 2022 16:09:11 GMT
Audi going into F1, with Sauber, from 2026 :-D That's a big name for sure. And there's still talk Porsche might be joining them, but then with another team than Red Bull.
I still find it difficult to understand though why the Volkswagen group would want to enter F1 with two of their brands. And Porsche will also enter Le Mans in the new LMDh class. But the sport is still alive, that's for sure!  |
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