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Post by Carl on Aug 1, 2022 0:10:15 GMT
Goooood morning my friends from a very wet Hungaroring! Good morning!  Is that Turn 11? |
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Post by Carl on Aug 1, 2022 0:17:58 GMT
What was Ferrari thinking when they put hard compound tyres on Leclerc's car? Charles effectively had no chance to win! What a disappointment... |
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Post by robmarsh on Aug 1, 2022 8:27:27 GMT
I don't know what Ferrari are up to regarding strategy. They are like little boys playing in a man's world. RBR looked at weather when on the grid and changed from hard to soft when given their grid position and previous experience during the weekend, hard would have been the most logical. Ferrari had two cars in second and third on the grid. It was almost a given that Russell would be starting on softs to protect his start, Ferrari left both their cars on mediums. Surely it would have been better to have split the strategies and started one on softs. That would have still given the "brains trust" enough room to manoeuvre to a one stop if need be. Instead they stayed on what the computer and told them on Friday, in temps 20c warmer. Even in a heat wave there is no way the temp would have risen by that much. Their later move to put Charles on to hards defies any form of logic at all.
They have been adept at sabotaging Charles' races since Monaco. Do they think they will sell more Ferraris in Spain if Sainz wins. This is looking more and more like 1983 to me. I sincerely hope not as Charles is too good a driver for Ferrari to lose.
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Post by charleselan on Aug 2, 2022 16:10:59 GMT
Not the result that many of us wanted let alone expected, but such is this season. I cannot write much (thank goodness you say ), but just a few thoughts and maybe points for discussion. I never have liked Hungary as a GP and remember the best English journ's at the time of saying it was no more than a "kart track", my how things have changed when it is referred to as something good. At least it is better than the current pits in the desert or what they refer to as a street circuit. Points to consider:- (1) It seems that all forms of motor sport ( 4 & 2 wheeled) are being determined by the tyre being in a certain temp window to suit a certain manufacture or the style of a certain pilot. Time i think for all motor sport to be opened up to all tyre makers. (2) Ferrari strategists seem to be set in there trenchant ways, and more to the point have nobody who can actually think on their feet, unlike RB or the great managers of the past. (3) Many times we are likening Charles Leclerc to Gilles Villeneuve for the way they drive and are adored by the Tifosi, they are also similar in how they are as well. Both very honest and far too trusting of what they are told, naive some would say. Yes they both get angry, as they have every right, but they need to do it before not after. There was discussion on S*YF1 after the race about Charles predicament and his lack determination of making is point, something that some greats of the past would not have tolerated. Strangely i find myself in agreement here. (4) I don't think Ferrari are favouring Carlos, but what i find hugely impressive about Carlos is his ability to tell the team what is going on and what he thinks is the best decision to make, probably the only current driver with that capability, very very impressive. (5) Not impressed with Hamilton's remarks after the race that Max only won from 10th on the grid because he had the best car. A total lack of self awareness by someone who had made numerous similar advancement over the past two years with similar advantages, at 36 years of age you would have thought he would have grown up by now. Similar his his attempts at blanking Max, which the Dutchman could not care less as he does not give a toss. |
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Post by René on Aug 2, 2022 18:02:33 GMT
Back home after a very tiring but great weekend! Not the result I wanted on track but the trip and the atmosphere at the Hungaroring was wonderful. Will get back with more comments and the usual photo report but to get in the mood, here's already the man of the match. Very impressed with his drive I must say. More to come. @ Carl: Yes, turn 11. Well spotted! |
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Post by René on Aug 4, 2022 19:13:20 GMT
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Post by robmarsh on Aug 4, 2022 19:57:07 GMT
Excellent pictures Rene. Thank you for sharing them.
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Post by Carl on Aug 5, 2022 3:18:26 GMT
Thanks for the wonderful photos, René!
Today's F3 cars are supercool in appearance. I wonder how fast they are in comparison to older Grand Prix cars over an unaltered circuit. The wider tyres suggest considerable speed. The Mercedes looks like one of these heavyweights fell onto its sidepod during their bout. Chip and Zak should pay for repairs
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Post by René on Aug 5, 2022 8:37:06 GMT
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Post by Carl on Aug 5, 2022 19:22:52 GMT
Thanks Rob and Carl, I like sharing them.
Carl, I have no idea how the F3 car would compare to older Grand Prix cars but they probably won't be far off. And the F2 cars are seriously fast! Here's another shot of an F3 in action.  And some more F1... the driver parade. Charles and Carlos appreciate my Ferrari shirt and Lance Stroll obsviously had pre-knowledge on Alonso's arrival!  It's very cool that Charles and Carlos acknowledged a true fan! Well done, René 
I haven't come across many direct comparisons, but one had about a 14-15 second gap in Monaco. At Silverstone, the lap times were closer on a wet day compared to the wide gap there in the dry. It's possible that a driver as great as Jim Clark or Ronnie Peterson in a Formula 3 car on a tight circuit would come closer.
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Post by René on Aug 6, 2022 10:23:35 GMT
(3) Many times we are likening Charles Leclerc to Gilles Villeneuve for the way they drive and are adored by the Tifosi, they are also similar in how they are as well. Both very honest and far too trusting of what they are told, naive some would say. Yes they both get angry, as they have every right, but they need to do it before not after. There was discussion on S*YF1 after the race about Charles predicament and his lack determination of making is point, something that some greats of the past would not have tolerated. Strangely i find myself in agreement here. (4) I don't think Ferrari are favouring Carlos, but what i find hugely impressive about Carlos is his ability to tell the team what is going on and what he thinks is the best decision to make, probably the only current driver with that capability, very very impressive. Some interesting points to which I also agree. Charles is a brilliant driver but if there's one weakness where he still needs to work on, it's exactly what you mention. He needs to be firmer and more direct with his engineers also, or especially, in disagreement. As if he wants to avoid confrontation or conflict which often is a character trait. Carlos is stronger at this. Charles is the fastest of the two (like Gilles was with Jody) but Carlos is very confident in his decision making. Very impressive I agree. But he's also a couple of years older than Charles of course...  |
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Post by charleselan on Aug 6, 2022 17:35:55 GMT
Very good Photographs René, you obviously had a good time non the les considering the weather which was strangely reversed from what it normally appears i.e hot and dry in Hungary and wet and cool in the west of Europe. The Mercedes Benz looks like an old toothpaste tub to me, nt at all attractive and very like the early 90's Life F1 car.
Unfortunately I do not share your enthusiasm for the current F3 & 2, no major series should be a one make series, nor should it be attached to the F1 championship, it should be stand alone.
Regarding Charles & Carlos they are roughly the same age apart that Jody and Gilles so similar in many respects. If you look at 1979 on many occasion there was nothing between Gilles and Jody, and I do not think Jody was driving as in 1977 in the Wolf WR4, his ultimate aim was to win the championship and he drove accordingly, he was going to end his "Grand Tour" in 1980 when I do not think he tried that hard.
I have a feeling you will not be disappointed at Spa, that is unless the FIA do not continue screwing everything up.
Been a pretty full week with no end of idiocy going on mainly wit so called contracts and Brown continuing to P*ss everyone off, obviously the guy isn't heard the term "making friends and influencing everybody". He might have made his business empire by behaving this way but there are some in the F! paddock he better watch out for. Notice the similarity in Piastri and Palou's "Tweets" they looked as though the were written by Brown and McLaren's lawyers!!
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Post by René on Aug 7, 2022 10:46:41 GMT
Notice the similarity in Piastri and Palou's "Tweets" they looked as though the were written by Brown and McLaren's lawyers!! Brilliant! It's a strange circus indeed and I hope this doesn't harm Alex's or Oscar's image too much as they are both very talented young drivers. But the fact that Danny Ric's position was no longer tenable is clear. A big dent in his career but the chemistry didn't work out at McLaren. Back to Renault/Alpine? Or the United States where he would be a popular character I think.
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Post by charleselan on Aug 8, 2022 12:50:24 GMT
Notice the similarity in Piastri and Palou's "Tweets" they looked as though the were written by Brown and McLaren's lawyers!! Brilliant! It's a strange circus indeed and I hope this doesn't harm Alex's or Oscar's image too much as they are both very talented young drivers. But the fact that Danny Ric's position was no longer tenable is clear. A big dent in his career but the chemistry didn't work out at McLaren. Back to Renault/Alpine? Or the United States where he would be a popular character I think.
Not doing themselves any favours by behaviour like this. Interesting comments by Peter Windsor on his YouTube channel about Piastri and Alpine, where he speaks about how much time Alpine had invested in his career about 4 years and how much they had paid into it which amounted to millions GB pounds. Nice reward!! I see this and think about other drivers who had signed up to long contracts which spoilt their careers in the past. Ronnie's original March contract which was for four years and kept him out of Lotus earlier and then with Lotus from 1973 to 1977 and ruined his chances with Ferrari and Shadow. We then have Johnny Herbert who was kept at Lotus by Peter Collins when others wanted him in the 1980's. Food for thought. |
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Post by René on Aug 10, 2022 10:40:01 GMT
Brilliant! It's a strange circus indeed and I hope this doesn't harm Alex's or Oscar's image too much as they are both very talented young drivers. But the fact that Danny Ric's position was no longer tenable is clear. A big dent in his career but the chemistry didn't work out at McLaren. Back to Renault/Alpine? Or the United States where he would be a popular character I think.
Not doing themselves any favours by behaviour like this. Interesting comments by Peter Windsor on his YouTube channel about Piastri and Alpine, where he speaks about how much time Alpine had invested in his career about 4 years and how much they had paid into it which amounted to millions GB pounds. Nice reward!! I see this and think about other drivers who had signed up to long contracts which spoilt their careers in the past. Ronnie's original March contract which was for four years and kept him out of Lotus earlier and then with Lotus from 1973 to 1977 and ruined his chances with Ferrari and Shadow. We then have Johnny Herbert who was kept at Lotus by Peter Collins when others wanted him in the 1980's. Food for thought.
It's not the best way to make friends when you're a newbie in F1 if you ask me and it doesn't come across as very sympathetic also. Maybe Zack made an offer difficult to refuse but given the investment Renault/Alpine has made in Oscar's career, staying for at least one season would have been the right thing to so. Don't know how much this is only Oscar speaking or more his management (Mark Webber in this case).
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Is that Turn 11? 
