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Post by René on May 5, 2022 12:28:26 GMT
And here it finally is, the long awaited second American race at the newly constructed Miami International Autodrome!
Running around the Hard Rock Stadium, the track looks very very fast (a bit like Jeddah) but with a technical middle sector. And, last but not least, a fake mini harbour with a couple of luxury yachts on plastic water!  But I guess this is the way to conquer America; less of an old school circuit, lots of glitz and glamor, a bit of fake and Netflix’s Drive to Survive! 
But to be fair, the circuit and venue look first class and the teams and drivers are very much looking forward to it. Let’s hope the track is also a good race track. The favorites for the win must be Ferrari and Red Bull again. The long straights could favour Red Bull but Ferrari did bring a low downforce package to the US. The slower middle sector should be Ferrari territory but there’s not much between the two teams.
The fight behind Red Bull and Ferrari will be interesting again. McLaren is looking better by the race and Mercedes has apparently found something regarding their porpoising problems. And then there’s of course Alfa and Haas. Bring it on! 
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Post by charleselan on May 5, 2022 15:25:33 GMT
Plenty of very large yacht's going free without an owner at present, so shouldn't be difficult to fill the false marina  . |
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Post by René on May 5, 2022 16:23:05 GMT
Plenty of very large yacht's going free without an owner at present, so shouldn't be difficult to fill the false marina  . You would need the entire straight for one of those oligarch yachts! |
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Post by mikael on May 5, 2022 17:00:42 GMT
Nice with yet another new Grand Prix circuit - a manifestation that the interest in motorsport is still strong and healthy.
Just a thought: During the lengthy period where I had the opportunity to visit the Suzuka Circuit a good number of times, at each visit it struck me that, what makes that circuit so special and so brilliant is that it has a figure-of-eight layout. Thus it is both a clockwise and a counterclockwise circuit.
And it makes me wonder, with the appearance of so many new top-level circuits, why the figure-of-eight layout isn't used more often. Now, while writing, no other figure-of-eight Grand Prix circuit comes to mind ... And it's not that Suzuka has a patent on this layout ...
I think the extra cost for adding a bridge/overpass is not an issue when constructing a new Grand Prix circuit from scratch ...
(P.S. Sorry for being just "guest of the month" - or less - recently. Free time hasn't been in abundance ...)
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Post by Carl on May 5, 2022 17:05:09 GMT
Anything done in Miami by Miami is guaranteed to be fake for the most part, as that is the character of Miami, for decades a vacation and retirement mecca for wealthy gangsters. I am glad to have no idea why anyone would advocate for a false marina with fake yachts, but it's important to realize that no harm is done by models, unlike the actual full-scale mega yachts seen elsewhere, which are real but fraudulent in acquisition.
I have been dissatisfied with every American Formula One venue since Long Beach decided not to be extorted by the poison dwarf in 1983. Austin is very good, but doesn't compare to many better circuits, incredibly deemed inadequate by lack of luxurious hotels nearby. When it's all about money, ignorance ensures that motorsport will be secondary.
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Post by robmarsh on May 5, 2022 18:14:10 GMT
I must admit I am not overwhelmed by having a GP in Miami. I was warned not to go there by an American travel agent back in 1984 and have have stuck to that advice ever since. Although I quite like the Austin track, I agree with Carl that the best USA F1 tracks were Watkins Glen and Long Beach. Phoenix, Dallas, Las Vegas and Detroit were not inspiring at all.
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Post by René on May 5, 2022 20:06:24 GMT
Nice with yet another new Grand Prix circuit - a manifestation that the interest in motorsport is still strong and healthy.
Just a thought: During the lengthy period where I had the opportunity to visit the Suzuka Circuit a good number of times, at each visit it struck me that, what makes that circuit so special and so brilliant is that it has a figure-of-eight layout. Thus it is both a clockwise and a counterclockwise circuit.
And it makes me wonder, with the appearance of so many new top-level circuits, why the figure-of-eight layout isn't used more often. Now, while writing, no other figure-of-eight Grand Prix circuit comes to mind ... And it's not that Suzuka has a patent on this layout ...
I think the extra cost for adding a bridge/overpass is not an issue when constructing a new Grand Prix circuit from scratch ...
(P.S. Sorry for being just "guest of the month" - or less - recently. Free time hasn't been in abundance ...)
That is a very good point! Why not a figure eight? I mean, every slot car start set is a figure 8! But seriously, it is indeed strange this has not been done more. Suzuka is the only one.  |
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Post by René on May 5, 2022 20:16:00 GMT
Anything done in Miami by Miami is guaranteed to be fake for the most part, as that is the character of Miami, for decades a vacation and retirement mecca for wealthy gangsters. I am glad to have no idea why anyone would advocate for a false marina with fake yachts, but it's important to realize that no harm is done by models, unlike the actual full-scale mega yachts seen elsewhere, which are real but fraudulent in acquisition. I have been dissatisfied with every American Formula One venue since Long Beach decided not to be extorted by the poison dwarf in 1983. Austin is very good, but doesn't compare to many better circuits, incredibly deemed inadequate by lack of luxurious hotels nearby. When it's all about money, ignorance ensures that motorsport will be secondary. Agreed. I think all motorsport purists would prefer to see Formula One at Road America or the beautiful Alabama track from last weekend’s Indycar race and have a proper motor race without all the gizmos and glamour. But let’s give it a shot I would say, maybe the actual track is good at Miami. |
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Post by charleselan on May 5, 2022 20:25:49 GMT
Anything done in Miami by Miami is guaranteed to be fake for the most part, as that is the character of Miami, for decades a vacation and retirement mecca for wealthy gangsters. I am glad to have no idea why anyone would advocate for a false marina with fake yachts, but it's important to realize that no harm is done by models, unlike the actual full-scale mega yachts seen elsewhere, which are real but fraudulent in acquisition. I have been dissatisfied with every American Formula One venue since Long Beach decided not to be extorted by the poison dwarf in 1983. Austin is very good, but doesn't compare to many better circuits, incredibly deemed inadequate by lack of luxurious hotels nearby. When it's all about money, ignorance ensures that motorsport will be secondary. Agreed. I think all motorsport purists would prefer to see Formula One at Road America or the beautiful Alabama track from last weekend’s Indycar race and have a proper motor race without all the gizmos and glamour. But let’s give it a shot I would say, maybe the actual track is good at Miami. Totally agree with your first paragraph, Road America or Road Atlanta proper race circuits. |
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Post by charleselan on May 5, 2022 20:27:36 GMT
Plenty of very large yacht's going free without an owner at present, so shouldn't be difficult to fill the false marina . You would need the entire straight for one of those oligarch yachts!  Goodness me on second thoughts one could hold the actual race on one of those abominations, even got swimming pools they could drive around like the old Monaco. |
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Post by Carl on May 5, 2022 22:22:17 GMT
Anything done in Miami by Miami is guaranteed to be fake for the most part, as that is the character of Miami, for decades a vacation and retirement mecca for wealthy gangsters. I am glad to have no idea why anyone would advocate for a false marina with fake yachts, but it's important to realize that no harm is done by models, unlike the actual full-scale mega yachts seen elsewhere, which are real but fraudulent in acquisition. I have been dissatisfied with every American Formula One venue since Long Beach decided not to be extorted by the poison dwarf in 1983. Austin is very good, but doesn't compare to many better circuits, incredibly deemed inadequate by lack of luxurious hotels nearby. When it's all about money, ignorance ensures that motorsport will be secondary. Agreed. I think all motorsport purists would prefer to see Formula One at Road America or the beautiful Alabama track from last weekend’s Indycar race and have a proper motor race without all the gizmos and glamour. But let’s give it a shot I would say, maybe the actual track is good at Miami. I'm hoping for an excellent race. The circuit appears demanding. With an abundance of hairpins, a slow chicane and very long straights, anyone hoping for a podium will need a well-balanced car. I'm optimistic that whoever designed the track may not be from Miami |
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Post by mikael on May 5, 2022 22:34:35 GMT
Looking at the impressively advanced helmets sported by Messrs. Verstappen and Leclerc, as seen in the photo posted by René, one is reminded of the helmet of Oscar Koveleski, as posted earlier by Carl.
Apparently, Koveleski was on to something - and far ahead of his times ...
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Post by Carl on May 5, 2022 23:49:34 GMT
Nice with yet another new Grand Prix circuit - a manifestation that the interest in motorsport is still strong and healthy.
Just a thought: During the lengthy period where I had the opportunity to visit the Suzuka Circuit a good number of times, at each visit it struck me that, what makes that circuit so special and so brilliant is that it has a figure-of-eight layout. Thus it is both a clockwise and a counterclockwise circuit.
And it makes me wonder, with the appearance of so many new top-level circuits, why the figure-of-eight layout isn't used more often. Now, while writing, no other figure-of-eight Grand Prix circuit comes to mind ... And it's not that Suzuka has a patent on this layout ...
I think the extra cost for adding a bridge/overpass is not an issue when constructing a new Grand Prix circuit from scratch ...
(P.S. Sorry for being just "guest of the month" - or less - recently. Free time hasn't been in abundance ...)
Mikael, I've always wondered whether space limitations inspired the figure-eight layout. In any case, Suzuka is one the great road courses because of the two clockwise directions and overall design. Cheers, Carl |
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Post by mikael on May 6, 2022 7:03:39 GMT
Carl,
that could very well be the reason why the figure-of-eight layout was chosen - simply to accommodate a relatively long track onto a relatively small patch of land.
Yes, space is not in abundance in Japan. While the Suzuka Circuit is surrounded, mainly, by rice fields, it's easy to imagine that Honda (who built and owns Suzuka) could not acquire more land than they did at the time, even if they had wished to do so.
As to the unavailability of land, a new Shinkansen (bullet train) line, based on the maglev system, has been on the drawing board for at least 25 years; but the main problem for JR (Japan Rail) is that farmers will not sell their land; hence, JR is not able acquire an "open line" to build the new track!
Best,
Mikael
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Post by robmarsh on May 6, 2022 7:39:02 GMT
Looking at the impressively advanced helmets sported by Messrs. Verstappen and Leclerc, as seen in the photo posted by René, one is reminded of the helmet of Oscar Koveleski, as posted earlier by Carl.
Apparently, Koveleski was on to something - and far ahead of his times ...
There is another picture from that era of a turtle with a little wing carrying a Gulf sticker. |
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But I guess this is the way to conquer America; less of an old school circuit, lots of glitz and glamor, a bit of fake and Netflix’s Drive to Survive! 
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